Danny's Job Security is Secure

[KG Living Legend]

 Danny can GM as long as he wants, and it scares me a little.
 He has dare I say too much power. He may draft 6'1" 
 defensive guards that can't shoot forever...

 I kid, I kid, but seriously the guy is not losing sleep at night like most coaches and GM's certainly do. Ask Hollins.

 I was thinking this today as Ainge gets off the bench yelling at a Ref looking for a charge call on Paul George when Amir hit the deck.

 I'm thinking this guy is having a great time watching the game with Steve P, one of the owners, and the rest of the league will be calling him a genius for at least three more years and presumably longer than that if these lottery picks turn into real stars for the Celtics.

 Ainge is in absolutely no rush and is happily stacking assets and waiting patiently for large fish to fry.

 My only request is that you swing for the fences In the coming years, to Bring home the bacon that Boston's deserves a top ten player in the NBA.

 Bring it home Danny.

[CelticPride2016]

This is true. Nice post.

Danny certainly hit the jackpot with the Brooklyn picks. There was no guarantee at the time they would be anything better than mid-first round.

Ainge does need to stay hungry. He wasn't that great a GM, imho, from 2009 to the Brad Stevens era.

On the other hand, Ainge has been very nifty with recent deals having nothing to do with the Brooklyn lottery pick(s).

Perhaps he tried his best in the Big Three era and he simply had his hands tied due to salary cap limitations.

Danny has lined himself up to become a historic GM. With better luck in regards to KG's knee, that team might have three-peated. Then Danny would be completely immune to critique.

Whether Danny is a genius or lucky or some combination, he has earned the job security you mention. In a way, that is scary. Hopefully he is bringing more people into the decision mix as he ages and doesn't get too full of himself.

[ssspence]

His job security is VERY high, for certain.

[aingeforthree]

Danny can GM as long as he wants, and it scares me a little.
 He has dare I say too much power. He may draft 6'1" 
 defensive guards that can't shoot forever...

 I kid, I kid, but seriously the guy is not losing sleep at night like most coaches and GM's certainly do. Ask Hollins.

 I was thinking this today as Ainge gets off the bench yelling at a Ref looking for a charge call on Paul George when Amir hit the deck.

 I'm thinking this guy is having a great time watching the game with Steve P, one of the owners, and the rest of the league will be calling him a genius for at least three more years and presumably longer than that if these lottery picks turn into real stars for the Celtics.

 Ainge is in absolutely no rush and is happily stacking assets and waiting patiently for large fish to fry.

 My only request is that you swing for the fences In the coming years, to Bring home the bacon that Boston's deserves a top ten player in the NBA.

 Bring it home Danny.

Personally, I want a 10 year extension signed, and put #44 in the rafters.  He's darn good at his job.

[aingeforthree]

This is true. Nice post.

Danny certainly hit the jackpot with the Brooklyn picks. There was no guarantee at the time they would be anything better than mid-first round.

Ainge does need to stay hungry. He wasn't that great a GM, imho, from 2009 to the Brad Stevens era.

On the other hand, Ainge has been very nifty with recent deals having nothing to do with the Brooklyn lottery pick(s).

Perhaps he tried his best in the Big Three era and he simply had his hands tied due to salary cap limitations.

Danny has lined himself up to become a historic GM. With better luck in regards to KG's knee, that team might have three-peated. Then Danny would be completely immune to critique.

Whether Danny is a genius or lucky or some combination, he has earned the job security you mention. In a way, that is scary. Hopefully he is bringing more people into the decision mix as he ages and doesn't get too full of himself.

How so ?  In 2010, he wins a championship without injuries.  Darn good team that year.  You have to be a pretty darn good GM to make the finals.

56 win team in 2011, and he wasn't a good GM ?  Come on now.

4th seed in the East in 2012.  Not to darn shabby.

Then came one of the best NBA thefts in the history of the league.  The Brooklyn trade.

I think you need to rethink it if you thought he wasn't that good from 09-to the Stevens era.  He was darn good.  Sign the boy up to a 10 year extension please.

[slamtheking]

Danny can GM as long as he wants, and it scares me a little.
 He has dare I say too much power. He may draft 6'1" 
 defensive guards that can't shoot forever...

 I kid, I kid, but seriously the guy is not losing sleep at night like most coaches and GM's certainly do. Ask Hollins.

 I was thinking this today as Ainge gets off the bench yelling at a Ref looking for a charge call on Paul George when Amir hit the deck.

 I'm thinking this guy is having a great time watching the game with Steve P, one of the owners, and the rest of the league will be calling him a genius for at least three more years and presumably longer than that if these lottery picks turn into real stars for the Celtics.

 Ainge is in absolutely no rush and is happily stacking assets and waiting patiently for large fish to fry.

 My only request is that you swing for the fences In the coming years, to Bring home the bacon that Boston's deserves a top ten player in the NBA.

 Bring it home Danny.

his job security is based on his results to date.  no complaints that he's pretty secure in his job because he should be.

my question to you is what do you mean by  "swing for the fences" exactly?  Are you asking that he take riskier players in the draft?  Are you saying he's not making any effort in making deals to improve the roster? 
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.  If it's either of those, I don't agree that he needs to be taking big risk/big reward players in the draft.  we're not good enough we can afford to have a top pick be a bust.  Just look at the number of threads where he gets crucified for players that are rotation-caliber but not the big studs the posters want or the posters think are just plain busts (by their standards).  There's no way they'd give him breathing room on a pick that was spent on a bust.  I also don't think Danny's sitting back with his feet on the desk playing games on his phone instead of calling other GMs trying to get better players.
If you meant something else, please clarify.

[D Dub]

This is true. Nice post.

Danny certainly hit the jackpot with the Brooklyn picks. There was no guarantee at the time they would be anything better than mid-first round.

Ainge does need to stay hungry. He wasn't that great a GM, imho, from 2009 to the Brad Stevens era.

On the other hand, Ainge has been very nifty with recent deals having nothing to do with the Brooklyn lottery pick(s).

Perhaps he tried his best in the Big Three era and he simply had his hands tied due to salary cap limitations.

Danny has lined himself up to become a historic GM. With better luck in regards to KG's knee, that team might have three-peated. Then Danny would be completely immune to critique.

Whether Danny is a genius or lucky or some combination, he has earned the job security you mention. In a way, that is scary. Hopefully he is bringing more people into the decision mix as he ages and doesn't get too full of himself.

How so ?  In 2010, he wins a championship without injuries.  Darn good team that year.  You have to be a pretty darn good GM to make the finals.

56 win team in 2011, and he wasn't a good GM ?  Come on now.

4th seed in the East in 2012.  Not to darn shabby.

Then came one of the best NBA thefts in the history of the league.  The Brooklyn trade.

I think you need to rethink it if you thought he wasn't that good from 09-to the Stevens era.  He was darn good.  Sign the boy up to a 10 year extension please.

He's a great GM, don't get me wrong --- but he was kind of in cruise control after winning a ring in 08....

for example:

In 09 he never should have let Posey walk.  He ended up leaving that team to defend the title with a bunch of rookies & malcontents (Giddens, Walker, Marbury, Sheed) and lost the one glue guy that helped us most off the bench. 

Then 2011 he drafted Marshon Brooks with Jimmy Butler and Chandler Parsons still on the board.  Assuming his scouting at the time was in the backseat as our team was a major contender -- but still as a GM can't let that happen.

Also failed at evaluating Jeff Green's talent, again.  That alone might have cost us a banner -- but also seemed to be the reality check he needed to get himself back into gear.  Has been much better since that ill-fated Perk deal.     

[Moranis]

This is true. Nice post.

Danny certainly hit the jackpot with the Brooklyn picks. There was no guarantee at the time they would be anything better than mid-first round.

Ainge does need to stay hungry. He wasn't that great a GM, imho, from 2009 to the Brad Stevens era.

On the other hand, Ainge has been very nifty with recent deals having nothing to do with the Brooklyn lottery pick(s).

Perhaps he tried his best in the Big Three era and he simply had his hands tied due to salary cap limitations.

Danny has lined himself up to become a historic GM. With better luck in regards to KG's knee, that team might have three-peated. Then Danny would be completely immune to critique.

Whether Danny is a genius or lucky or some combination, he has earned the job security you mention. In a way, that is scary. Hopefully he is bringing more people into the decision mix as he ages and doesn't get too full of himself.

How so ?  In 2010, he wins a championship without injuries.  Darn good team that year.  You have to be a pretty darn good GM to make the finals.

56 win team in 2011, and he wasn't a good GM ?  Come on now.

4th seed in the East in 2012.  Not to darn shabby.

Then came one of the best NBA thefts in the history of the league.  The Brooklyn trade.

I think you need to rethink it if you thought he wasn't that good from 09-to the Stevens era.  He was darn good.  Sign the boy up to a 10 year extension please.

He's a great GM, don't get me wrong --- but he was kind of in cruise control after winning a ring in 08....

for example:

In 09 he never should have let Posey walk.  He ended up leaving that team to defend the title with a bunch of rookies & malcontents (Giddens, Walker, Marbury, Sheed) and lost the one glue guy that helped us most off the bench. 

Then 2011 he drafted Marshon Brooks with Jimmy Butler and Chandler Parsons still on the board.  Assuming his scouting at the time was in the backseat as our team was a major contender -- but still as a GM can't let that happen.

Also failed at evaluating Jeff Green's talent, again.  That alone might have cost us a banner -- but also seemed to be the reality check he needed to get himself back into gear.  Has been much better since that ill-fated Perk deal.     

Ainge didn't draft Marshon Brooks.  New Jersey did.  There was a draft day trade involving that selection.  Ainge drafted even worse by trading back two slots and drafting JJJ and picking up a future 2nd rounder in the trade (Russ Smith 2014, not by Boston).  The next 4 picks after JJJ were Norris Cole, Cory Joseph, Jimmy Butler, and Boran Bogdanovic.  I'd say that is a clear miss as any one of those 4 are far better players than JJJ (I mean obviously Butler would have been awesome, but the other 3 are solid role players in the league which is good value that late in the 1st round).  Parsons and Thomas were in the 2nd round that year along with some other solid role players.  Just a terrible draft from Ainge.

[aingeforthree]

This is true. Nice post.

Danny certainly hit the jackpot with the Brooklyn picks. There was no guarantee at the time they would be anything better than mid-first round.

Ainge does need to stay hungry. He wasn't that great a GM, imho, from 2009 to the Brad Stevens era.

On the other hand, Ainge has been very nifty with recent deals having nothing to do with the Brooklyn lottery pick(s).

Perhaps he tried his best in the Big Three era and he simply had his hands tied due to salary cap limitations.

Danny has lined himself up to become a historic GM. With better luck in regards to KG's knee, that team might have three-peated. Then Danny would be completely immune to critique.

Whether Danny is a genius or lucky or some combination, he has earned the job security you mention. In a way, that is scary. Hopefully he is bringing more people into the decision mix as he ages and doesn't get too full of himself.

How so ?  In 2010, he wins a championship without injuries.  Darn good team that year.  You have to be a pretty darn good GM to make the finals.

56 win team in 2011, and he wasn't a good GM ?  Come on now.

4th seed in the East in 2012.  Not to darn shabby.

Then came one of the best NBA thefts in the history of the league.  The Brooklyn trade.

I think you need to rethink it if you thought he wasn't that good from 09-to the Stevens era.  He was darn good.  Sign the boy up to a 10 year extension please.

He's a great GM, don't get me wrong --- but he was kind of in cruise control after winning a ring in 08....

for example:

In 09 he never should have let Posey walk.  He ended up leaving that team to defend the title with a bunch of rookies & malcontents (Giddens, Walker, Marbury, Sheed) and lost the one glue guy that helped us most off the bench. 

Then 2011 he drafted Marshon Brooks with Jimmy Butler and Chandler Parsons still on the board.  Assuming his scouting at the time was in the backseat as our team was a major contender -- but still as a GM can't let that happen.

Also failed at evaluating Jeff Green's talent, again.  That alone might have cost us a banner -- but also seemed to be the reality check he needed to get himself back into gear.  Has been much better since that ill-fated Perk deal.     

In regards to Posey, wasn't Ainge ultimately right in this ?  Ainge offered him more money to come back for 2 years.  Posey and his agent wanted a 4 year deal.  Security.  Posey didn't have 4 years in him, as evident in his play.  Smart move by Ainge here.

The draft is always a crap shoot.  Some of the best GM's in this leagues history have missed out on number 1 overall picks, let alone picks like Brooks, who was drafted 25th overall.  You can't knock any GM who misses on a pick in that range.  Really ?  A GM can't let that happen ?  Come on.  That's pretty petty.  Knock him all you want for a top 3-5 pick miss, but at 25 ?  Man, your cold blooded.

Jeff Green is talented, flat out.  That's why a team drafted him 5th overall.  That Perk deal landed  you Green and a first rounder.  I thought it was a solid deal since Perk couldn't play offense, couldn't walk, & could barely get up and down the floor.

[aingeforthree]

This is true. Nice post.

Danny certainly hit the jackpot with the Brooklyn picks. There was no guarantee at the time they would be anything better than mid-first round.

Ainge does need to stay hungry. He wasn't that great a GM, imho, from 2009 to the Brad Stevens era.

On the other hand, Ainge has been very nifty with recent deals having nothing to do with the Brooklyn lottery pick(s).

Perhaps he tried his best in the Big Three era and he simply had his hands tied due to salary cap limitations.

Danny has lined himself up to become a historic GM. With better luck in regards to KG's knee, that team might have three-peated. Then Danny would be completely immune to critique.

Whether Danny is a genius or lucky or some combination, he has earned the job security you mention. In a way, that is scary. Hopefully he is bringing more people into the decision mix as he ages and doesn't get too full of himself.

How so ?  In 2010, he wins a championship without injuries.  Darn good team that year.  You have to be a pretty darn good GM to make the finals.

56 win team in 2011, and he wasn't a good GM ?  Come on now.

4th seed in the East in 2012.  Not to darn shabby.

Then came one of the best NBA thefts in the history of the league.  The Brooklyn trade.

I think you need to rethink it if you thought he wasn't that good from 09-to the Stevens era.  He was darn good.  Sign the boy up to a 10 year extension please.

He's a great GM, don't get me wrong --- but he was kind of in cruise control after winning a ring in 08....

for example:

In 09 he never should have let Posey walk.  He ended up leaving that team to defend the title with a bunch of rookies & malcontents (Giddens, Walker, Marbury, Sheed) and lost the one glue guy that helped us most off the bench. 

Then 2011 he drafted Marshon Brooks with Jimmy Butler and Chandler Parsons still on the board.  Assuming his scouting at the time was in the backseat as our team was a major contender -- but still as a GM can't let that happen.

Also failed at evaluating Jeff Green's talent, again.  That alone might have cost us a banner -- but also seemed to be the reality check he needed to get himself back into gear.  Has been much better since that ill-fated Perk deal.     

Ainge didn't draft Marshon Brooks.  New Jersey did.  There was a draft day trade involving that selection.  Ainge drafted even worse by trading back two slots and drafting JJJ and picking up a future 2nd rounder in the trade (Russ Smith 2014, not by Boston).  The next 4 picks after JJJ were Norris Cole, Cory Joseph, Jimmy Butler, and Boran Bogdanovic.  I'd say that is a clear miss as any one of those 4 are far better players than JJJ (I mean obviously Butler would have been awesome, but the other 3 are solid role players in the league which is good value that late in the 1st round).  Parsons and Thomas were in the 2nd round that year along with some other solid role players.  Just a terrible draft from Ainge.

Terrible draft by Ainge ?  Where was he picking again ?  I mean man, fire him if he can't land a 10 time all star in the 25 range.  My word

[CelticPride2016]

Aingeforthree, I'm fairly sure this debate has been fleshed out as much or close to the long drawn out Rondo arguments.

I agree with D Dub.

We lost Posey and Tony Allen. The window was only supposed to be three years.

His drafting wasn't that good. Although it is easy now to say Perk for Green was the wrong move, it seems true. Granted there were injury concerns with Perk, but the saying goes if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Maybe Perk was broken and what I said doesn't make sense. I am saying Ainge got lucky trading KG and Pierce. He messed up going against his own words that he wouldn't wait too long like Red did with the original Big Three. Then he got lucky. Luck versus skill. Maybe it doesn't matter in a thank you Brooklyn kind of way.

I also think Ainge/Doc Rivers was a package deal, so both of them share the blame for the underachieving, autopilot nature of what should have been a dynasty or broken up much sooner.

Some things Danny has done cannot be called luck and that's why I don't mind the job security. I think this is a developing story that could take a number of years to play out. We can all speculate whether he "swings for the fences" or goes the slow and steady route with high lottery pick(s).

Either method will probably work.

I don't mind Danny Ainge and agree he deserves the job security. However, his legacy for good or bad has not been decided yet. You can't win just one title. Red Auerbach wasn't about getting to the mountaintop, but to remain there.

I don't know if Red could have gotten more rings out the second Big Three era considering what happened to KG.

I am definitely pro-Danny Ainge, but we shall see. Things look extremely good long-term. I hope he is patient. I was against bringing in Kevin Love. If that's the kind of swing for the fences move he makes with the asset stockpile, I won't be happy. I am willing to wait three or four years for true contending instead of some desperate move to be spun as fireworks.

[KG Living Legend]

 I'm saying if the rumors are true he needs to take Kristaps over Winslow, Winslow was a much safer pick while Kristaps was more of a home run or strikeout pick.

 Kelly over the Greek Freak, Kelly was safer Freak freak had more Upside.

 Now these types of decision's are magnified by 100 times. It may mean role the dice on a kid like Bender. Just saying we need someone that could possibly turn into a top 10 player.

[aingeforthree]

Aingeforthree, I'm fairly sure this debate has been fleshed out as much or close to the long drawn out Rondo arguments.

I agree with D Dub.

We lost Posey and Tony Allen. The window was only supposed to be three years.

His drafting wasn't that good. Although it is easy now to say Perk for Green was the wrong move, it seems true. Granted there were injury concerns with Perk, but the saying goes if it ain't broken, don't fix it. Maybe Perk was broken and what I said doesn't make sense. I am saying Ainge got lucky trading KG and Pierce. He messed up going against his own words that he wouldn't wait too long like Red did with the original Big Three. Then he got lucky. Luck versus skill. Maybe it doesn't matter in a thank you Brooklyn kind of way.

I also think Ainge/Doc Rivers was a package deal, so both of them share the blame for the underachieving, autopilot nature of what should have been a dynasty or broken up much sooner.

Some things Danny has done cannot be called luck and that's why I don't mind the job security. I think this is a developing story that could take a number of years to play out. We can all speculate whether he "swings for the fences" or goes the slow and steady route with high lottery pick(s).

Either method will probably work.

I don't mind Danny Ainge and agree he deserves the job security. However, his legacy for good or bad has not been decided yet. You can't win just one title. Red Auerbach wasn't about getting to the mountaintop, but to remain there.

I don't know if Red could have gotten more rings out the second Big Three era considering what happened to KG.

I am definitely pro-Danny Ainge, but we shall see. Things look extremely good long-term. I hope he is patient. I was against bringing in Kevin Love. If that's the kind of swing for the fences move he makes with the asset stockpile, I won't be happy. I am willing to wait three or four years for true contending instead of some desperate move to be spun as fireworks.

Do you think a 56 win team had something to do with it ?  I mean you are drafting in the mid to late 20's for a reason, and that reason is because your team was darn good and winning games.  Probably because your GM had constructed a darn good bball club.

[SHAQATTACK]

He is a excellent day to day mgmt and spokesman .....good for coach as a boss.

He is BAD BAD draft picker.

I think he needs to fire his son and get somebody who really knows something about young BIG talent.

[CelticPride2016]

Aingeforthree, sure, it's not easy to draft well when it's happening at the end of the first round.

My simple point is everyone knew the window would not be for too long. The consensus was three years.

Maybe part of the problem was Danny and Doc not on the same page, a problem I hope is not repeating between Danny and Brad.

Krstic was a decent player and I think Doc even admitted that he messed up not playing him more.

I agree with SHAQATTACK that one of Danny's blind spots is evaluating bigs. I think the C's need to hire a real center to coach the bigs. If it's Walter McCarty, that's the wrong move.

Hire Dave Cowens, The Chief or McHale. Start playing Mickey. Have the new bigs coach develop him, Olynyk, and Zeller. Trade or let Sully go. That's what I think.

I was against not resigning Phil Pressey. That is another Danny blind spot. He doesn't seem to know the difference between point guard and shooting guard or imagines that shooting guards can easily be turned into pg's.

Is Pressey a mediocre or borderline NBA player? Perhaps. But you can't teach what Pressey can do naturally. I'd rather be "stuck" with Phil Pressey for transition years than an Evan Turner.

Danny and Brad need to get on the same page. Maybe they are and I am being impatient.

Perhaps we got too good, too soon, and we are feeling the pain of a so-called NBA market correction.

I am not worried. It is an interesting process and thankfully we got ourselves a win.

It's about competing, while letting Brooklyn tank for us. That perhaps is the one statement any of us can make with nearly the whole forum nodding in agreement.