Pau gasol,taj gibson and jokim Noah on trade Block

[Hemingway]

I was always a huge Noah fan, but am skeptical in what he can offer moving forward. I don't understand why more people aren't pushing for a Gasol deal. He is having a fantastic year and his game isn't predicated on athleticism at all. He certainly seems to have a few good years left and he would come considerably cheaper than his brother.

I think it's the assumption that he'll sign wherever his brother does next season. More likely a half-season rental, whereas Noah might be more likely to re-sign.

well the other side to that is maybe Marc would sign here

[KG Living Legend]

I would've loved Noah on this team a few years ago.

He really seems to have been all used up by Thibs.

Exactly .    ......still tempting tho......you just gotta wonder if he is play n with hurt feeling .....less than he could......will he heal up and play close to his old stds.

Good fit if he has anything close to old skill left in the tank.......then again I was hopeful for Lee too.

 Shaq, I wasn't aware of his STD's we better stay clear then lol.

[tomrod]

Noah is the only one interesting, and we already have Amir, so not sure I'd want another guy with similar skills.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I was always a huge Noah fan, but am skeptical in what he can offer moving forward. I don't understand why more people aren't pushing for a Gasol deal. He is having a fantastic year and his game isn't predicated on athleticism at all. He certainly seems to have a few good years left and he would come considerably cheaper than his brother.

I think it's the assumption that he'll sign wherever his brother does next season. More likely a half-season rental, whereas Noah might be more likely to re-sign.

well the other side to that is maybe Marc would sign here

Marc Signed already with Memphis. We would have to trade for him.

[Lucky17]

A problem with Noah is... he's unhappy coming off the bench. He'd come off the bench for the Celtics (he's not better than any of the top 3 bigs we currently have), he's having a miserable season as it is.

Though playing less lately, in part because of injuries, he's played 20 minutes a game for the Bulls. Doubtful he plays that much with us as it is.

So I don't envision him being happy and instilling his leadership qualities to this team.

Why wouldn't Noah start at C for Boston? Seems any of Amir, Sully, or KO could start at PF next to him (although less likely Amir due to poor spacing).

The real question is, why would you start him over Amir or Sullinger?

Because I'd start with a Sully-Noah combo, and bring in Amir as a defensive supplement off the bench behind Sully. At least, until I were able to use Amir's contract to upgrade the roster elsewhere.

Sully-Noah to start, with Amir-KO as the backups. Offense/defense tandems, mix and match as needed.

[the_gunner]

I would trade Sullinger and Amir for Noah any day!

I stille believe that Noah's got what it takes, but right now Bulls are not playing him enough.

I Believe that Noah would be a better fit for our system than both Sullinger and Amir, who I don't believe in as building blocks in Brad Stevens system. Noah is not a long time solution either, but would be a small upgrade until we find our superstar center.

[spikelovetheCelts]

Looks like we can just sign Noah in the off-season he is hurt. The Bulls will ride with what they have. Maybe Joe Johnson will sign there if he is bought out. Sad for Noah. I like his intensity. We need more players like him.

[Granath]

I would trade Sullinger and Amir for Noah any day!

I stille believe that Noah's got what it takes, but right now Bulls are not playing him enough.

I Believe that Noah would be a better fit for our system than both Sullinger and Amir, who I don't believe in as building blocks in Brad Stevens system. Noah is not a long time solution either, but would be a small upgrade until we find our superstar center.

That's because you don't watch the NBA and you're thinking of Noah from 3 years ago. That much is exceptionally obvious from your post. The current incarnation of Noah is a role player off the bench and nothing more.

For instance, we have to assume you haven't seen Amir playing 26 mpg and having one of the better +/- stats on the team? Nor witnessed his good defense - good enough for the Cs to be 3rd in the league on defense. Nor remembered that he has a non-guaranteed $12m contract for next year making him an exceptionally flexible trade component both this year and next.

You may not realize that Sullinger's status as an RFA makes him easy for the Cs to retain (if they wish) or to perform a sign-and-trade since RFAs almost never move teams in the NBA. Or you may have not seen Sully pulling down about 9 boards per game and playing acceptable defense. Or how his contract and status make him also a decent trade asset.

Perhaps you may not realize that Noah's shooting percentage has declined for 6 straight years (to a Rondo-like eFG of .383). Or you must have not noticed how Noah has become a massive liability on the offensive end - something the offensively-challenged Cs don't need. Then there's Noah's expiring contract, which makes giving up any even remotely decent assets counterproductive since he's not putting this team in the NBA finals this year and he's a UFA at the end of this season.

In short, there's not one decent reason to acquire Joakim Noah at this stage of his career. He offers almost nothing to the Celtics. The best case he might get the team two more wins (not even a playoff series) before he's a UFA. The worst-case you make the team worse now AND lose better long-term tradable assets.

Frankly, none of these guys have any real roles for the Cs. Gasol could help the Cs win a playoff series this year but the guy is 35 and is going to opt out of his contract. A reasonable argument could be made for getting him in a "temporary rental" scenario but the Cs are probably better off hoarding their assets for more of a long-term approach. Besides, Gasol probably has more value to another contender who might be willing to pay more for that rental.

Noah? Just...no. Offers nothing this year and nothing long term.

Gibson? The Cs don't need another Brandon Bass. Gibson offers very little short term or long term to the team. Amir is already on the team and a better fit. Depth isn't a problem and that's what Gibson offers.

[Granath]

And how timely....

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14579288/joakim-noah-chicago-bulls-exits-shoulder-injury-mri

[Stig]

well, no need to trade for Noah now, he's done for the season, might as well sign him as FA.

[Geo123]

I would trade Sullinger and Amir for Noah any day!

I stille believe that Noah's got what it takes, but right now Bulls are not playing him enough.

I Believe that Noah would be a better fit for our system than both Sullinger and Amir, who I don't believe in as building blocks in Brad Stevens system. Noah is not a long time solution either, but would be a small upgrade until we find our superstar center.

Well I'm sure glad you're not our GM.  I wouldn't have traded either one straight up for Noah since he's been hurt for a month and now this comes out. 

"Steve Kyler ‏@stevekylerNBA  · 14h14 hours ago 

Steve Kyler Retweeted MR CROM1
Noah is done for the year & likely walks in July as he's not part of the future... real basketball people know it "

[hwangjini_1]

I would trade Sullinger and Amir for Noah any day!

I stille believe that Noah's got what it takes, but right now Bulls are not playing him enough.

I Believe that Noah would be a better fit for our system than both Sullinger and Amir, who I don't believe in as building blocks in Brad Stevens system. Noah is not a long time solution either, but would be a small upgrade until we find our superstar center.

That's because you don't watch the NBA and you're thinking of Noah from 3 years ago. That much is exceptionally obvious from your post. The current incarnation of Noah is a role player off the bench and nothing more.

For instance, we have to assume you haven't seen Amir playing 26 mpg and having one of the better +/- stats on the team? Nor witnessed his good defense - good enough for the Cs to be 3rd in the league on defense. Nor remembered that he has a non-guaranteed $12m contract for next year making him an exceptionally flexible trade component both this year and next.

You may not realize that Sullinger's status as an RFA makes him easy for the Cs to retain (if they wish) or to perform a sign-and-trade since RFAs almost never move teams in the NBA. Or you may have not seen Sully pulling down about 9 boards per game and playing acceptable defense. Or how his contract and status make him also a decent trade asset.

Perhaps you may not realize that Noah's shooting percentage has declined for 6 straight years (to a Rondo-like eFG of .383). Or you must have not noticed how Noah has become a massive liability on the offensive end - something the offensively-challenged Cs don't need. Then there's Noah's expiring contract, which makes giving up any even remotely decent assets counterproductive since he's not putting this team in the NBA finals this year and he's a UFA at the end of this season.

In short, there's not one decent reason to acquire Joakim Noah at this stage of his career. He offers almost nothing to the Celtics. The best case he might get the team two more wins (not even a playoff series) before he's a UFA. The worst-case you make the team worse now AND lose better long-term tradable assets.

Frankly, none of these guys have any real roles for the Cs. Gasol could help the Cs win a playoff series this year but the guy is 35 and is going to opt out of his contract. A reasonable argument could be made for getting him in a "temporary rental" scenario but the Cs are probably better off hoarding their assets for more of a long-term approach. Besides, Gasol probably has more value to another contender who might be willing to pay more for that rental.

Noah? Just...no. Offers nothing this year and nothing long term.

Gibson? The Cs don't need another Brandon Bass. Gibson offers very little short term or long term to the team. Amir is already on the team and a better fit. Depth isn't a problem and that's what Gibson offers.

granath, a very good post. well researched and thought out...as is usually the case for you. thanks and a tp for explaining the situations surrounding these players.

[ssspence]

No interest in any of them. Just shuffling of deck chairs.

[JBcat]

Maybe something like Lee, Zeller, Turner for Noah and a future first (not in 2016) and/or McDermott.  Seems like a Ainge type of trade.

[letsgoblue86]

Maybe something like Lee, Zeller, Turner for Noah and a future first (not in 2016) and/or McDermott.  Seems like a Ainge type of trade.

Noah is done for the year, so I doubt Chicago trades any of their front court now.