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Fix the Celtics
« on: January 10, 2016, 08:58:37 PM »

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Put yourself in Danny's shoes. What do you do? Come up with plausible trade ideas and a plan to fix this squad.
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Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2016, 09:04:22 PM »

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Stop playing the 3 vets that have been dead weight: Lee, Jerebko, Zeller.

Bring in Mickey and see if he can offer you, else stay with 3-man rotation of Amir-Olynyk-Sully with occasionally Crowder at the 4.

Unless for showcase, stop playing Young. He's pretty much done with us.

That's how I'd begin moving things along.

Aside from a superstar trade, right now the problem is strictly on the coaching side.

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 09:10:21 PM »

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There are no fixes this season. I'd shop some of these journeymen we have on favorable contracts and try to acquire some prospects and picks.

This team is more than just a couple moves away from being a team that is relevant in the playoff conversation.
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Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2016, 09:11:38 PM »

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There are no fixes this season. I'd shop some of these journeymen we have on favorable contracts and try to acquire some prospects and picks.

This team is more than just a couple moves away from being a team that is relevant in the playoff conversation.

Doesn't have to be a fix for this season. If you'd tear it down, an explanation of how would be totally welcome.
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Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2016, 09:18:34 PM »

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At this rate of losing...

Our own draft pick could turn out to be pretty decent .

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2016, 09:38:27 PM »

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Stop playing the 3 vets that have been dead weight: Lee, Jerebko, Zeller.

Bring in Mickey and see if he can offer you, else stay with 3-man rotation of Amir-Olynyk-Sully with occasionally Crowder at the 4.

Unless for showcase, stop playing Young. He's pretty much done with us.

That's how I'd begin moving things along.

Aside from a superstar trade, right now the problem is strictly on the coaching side.


Those points are nothing Danny can fix.

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2016, 09:41:00 PM »

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Try to get Cousins... When that probably doesn't happen trade off some of the vets (keep IT, Smart, Crowder), clear the jam, get Mickey in the rotation, not make the playoffs, add another lotto pick to the Nets one, and trade them for a superstar to add to the above mentioned players or if no trade is viable make the picks and get a talent fusion and some hope

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2016, 09:42:25 PM »

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Put yourself in Danny's shoes. What do you do? Come up with plausible trade ideas and a plan to fix this squad.

Do what he did last year.  Get rid of guys that arent playing well and get guys back who can.

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2016, 09:49:27 PM »

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There are no fixes this season. I'd shop some of these journeymen we have on favorable contracts and try to acquire some prospects and picks.

This team is more than just a couple moves away from being a team that is relevant in the playoff conversation.

Doesn't have to be a fix for this season. If you'd tear it down, an explanation of how would be totally welcome.

I'd look for teams that haven't done anything in the playoffs in a while that are maybe kind of desperate to make a splash -- Wizards, Magic, Jazz, perhaps -- and see what they'd be willing to give up to get Isaiah Thomas or Avery Bradley.

Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, and Evan Turner are all on reasonable expiring / pseudo-expiring deals and could help teams, too.  Plus there's Sullinger, who could add some marginal value to a deal.

I'd look to package some of those guys in a handful of trades and target picks, rookie contract players, and in general go after players not currently playing a major role on their current team who might have some untapped potential.

The Celts should still be in asset acquisition / sell-high and buy low mode.  It's been fun watching this scrappy little group put together some nice games, but this is still a hodge-podge of lesser talent that isn't going to do anything meaningful in the playoffs. 


My feeling is that there should be a lot of teams out there looking to buy at the deadline rather than sell, and that's a situation Danny can take advantage of, because we've got some decent players here on bargain deals who can help teams win.  If he can get a nice price for them, he should.


Any move that puts the team in a better position to make even bigger moves around the time of the draft and the start of free agency is a move that Danny should consider.
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Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2016, 10:14:15 PM »

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Put yourself in Danny's shoes. What do you do? Come up with plausible trade ideas and a plan to fix this squad.

Get rid of Sullinger and Lee as soon as possible. 

Those two guys played utterly stupid basketball tonight - constantly forcing horrible contested shots that resulted in nothing.  I can tolerate it when guys make the right plays, but the shot just doesn't fall...but when guys are playing hero ball and trying to force idiotic plays, that's when I lose all patience.

If I were Danny would also be giving Brad Steven's a major yelling session.  I don't know what in god's name he was thinking playing Lee and Sullinger in so many key minutes they way those guys were playing.  Absolutely ridiculous, and some of the worst rotational decision making I've seen from a coach in some time.  This team's biggest asset is supposed to be it's depth - so if guys are playing like horse crap, take them out of the game simple.     

Starting to get sick to death of watching Stevens giving guys minutes just to make them happy.  When Johnson and Olynyk were out there, this team was playing some really good basketball.  Every  time Lee or Sully came in, it was an absolute disaster.

He also needs to sit Crowder down for a very stern talking to - his decision making late in the game was almost as bad as Lee/Sully, and it wasn't just this game - he's been doing that for far too long now.  I cut Crowder more slack because of his work ethic and because of all the things he does well, but he still needs somebody to tell him that he is NOT young Kobe / Melo...and that he should never, ever, ever be throwing up contested fall-away jumpers.

There are only three guys on this roster who should EVER be taking those kind of shots and they are Thomas, Bradley and Turner.  MAYBE Olynyk, if the situation is desperate.  You know, the guys who can actually make that kind of shot.

But Sully and Lee without a doubt need to be gone NOW.  I don't even care if you can't get a value trade for those guys - I'll take a second round pick and a trade exception for either one of them.  In fact at this point I would honestly waive both guys if that's what I had to do to have them gone.

Of the two Sully is the worst, and he is the one I want gone the most.  Lee at least has an excuse - he is a former All-Star so I can understand the struggle of trying to accept the fact that you can no longer do the things you once could.  Like wise he's been out of the rotation for some time now, so I can understand his overly eager desire to 'try too hard' in order to try and prove himself.

Sully however has no excuse.  His horrible decision making, atrocious work ethic and disgusting attitude have been major issues since his sophomore season and it's probably never going to change. 

When you lack outright talent, as this team does, then the only way you win games is by being completely unselfish and playing smart team basketball.  Sully is completely incapable of doing that and he needs to go ASAP.
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Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2016, 10:17:47 PM »

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There are no fixes this season. I'd shop some of these journeymen we have on favorable contracts and try to acquire some prospects and picks.

This team is more than just a couple moves away from being a team that is relevant in the playoff conversation.

Doesn't have to be a fix for this season. If you'd tear it down, an explanation of how would be totally welcome.

I'd look for teams that haven't done anything in the playoffs in a while that are maybe kind of desperate to make a splash -- Wizards, Magic, Jazz, perhaps -- and see what they'd be willing to give up to get Isaiah Thomas or Avery Bradley.

Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, and Evan Turner are all on reasonable expiring / pseudo-expiring deals and could help teams, too.  Plus there's Sullinger, who could add some marginal value to a deal.

I'd look to package some of those guys in a handful of trades and target picks, rookie contract players, and in general go after players not currently playing a major role on their current team who might have some untapped potential.

The Celts should still be in asset acquisition / sell-high and buy low mode.  It's been fun watching this scrappy little group put together some nice games, but this is still a hodge-podge of lesser talent that isn't going to do anything meaningful in the playoffs. 


My feeling is that there should be a lot of teams out there looking to buy at the deadline rather than sell, and that's a situation Danny can take advantage of, because we've got some decent players here on bargain deals who can help teams win.  If he can get a nice price for them, he should.


Any move that puts the team in a better position to make even bigger moves around the time of the draft and the start of free agency is a move that Danny should consider.
IT AB and Crowder are more valuable on another team. The great contracts and the fact they are playing the best ball of their careers should increase their trade value by a  lot.

So I think it is time to sell high and buy low. Then waive the hacks at the trade deadline that we could not trade and have no intention of bringing back.

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2016, 10:28:12 PM »

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I can't believe anybody would be pushing the ideas of trading Bradley, Thomas or Crowder.  They are clearly the three best players on this team right now, they are all young enough to grow and develop with the team and on great contracts, and they are all on great value deals. 

You would have to be completely out of your mind to trade any of those three guys unless it's part of a deal that's going to bring you back a top 5 draft pick or a perennial All-Star.

If there are any guys on this roster who are going to help us win games, it's them.  Johnson and Olynyk too. Those 4-5 guys can easily form part of the core of a great (not good, great) basketball team if you put the right guys around them.

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2016, 12:01:06 AM »

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I can't believe anybody would be pushing the ideas of trading Bradley, Thomas or Crowder.  They are clearly the three best players on this team right now, they are all young enough to grow and develop with the team and on great contracts, and they are all on great value deals. 

You would have to be completely out of your mind to trade any of those three guys unless it's part of a deal that's going to bring you back a top 5 draft pick or a perennial All-Star.

If there are any guys on this roster who are going to help us win games, it's them.  Johnson and Olynyk too. Those 4-5 guys can easily form part of the core of a great (not good, great) basketball team if you put the right guys around them.
Do you really think IT AB and Crowder have a lot of potential left? We all know they are on greaqt contracts but just because they are younger does not mean they have all this "room to grow".

We should trade them before their contracts get eaten up anymore and they are playing good ball on a team without a star/fighting for 8th seed.

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2016, 12:14:32 AM »

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There is so much riding on this Brooklyn pick.   We need to hit a home run in the draft and free agency.   I'm not sure there's any trade we can make that is going to make this team a contender.

Re: Fix the Celtics
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2016, 12:20:17 AM »

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I'd trade the 2016 Nets, 2016 C's pick, KO, Lee, Crowder and JJ for Hayward and Favors. Jazz need to take a step back after too many injuries. They are in C's position last year without Nets picks coming. Perhaps they can prove smarter and tank it. For C's why take a chance on if we get Simmons or Ingram and if they develop if we can land two stud players in their prime.

Starters: IT, AB, Hayward, AJ, Favors
Bench: Smart, Turner, Sully, Zeller
Reserves: Rozier, Hunter, Young, Mickey

No reason that team can't give Cavs a run or any West team.