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Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2016, 10:18:19 PM »

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I love the mentality of the modern NBA fan:

"As soon as you hit a rough patch, throw in the towel."

Well said

Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2016, 10:18:45 PM »

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I don't think the OP is suggesting that we trade the likes of IT, Bradley, Turner, Johnson for junk or draft picks.  The idea would be to trade these more established veterans to a team that is missing a piece or suffered and injury and needs a fill in.

If we don't get back a promising young player or players, then of course you don't trade just to trade.  I totally agree we don't need more picks.  If anything we should be targeting consolidating picks but we learned last draft that that is not so easy.

An example that I have thought of is Bradley+Amir for Enes Kanter.  I think Bradley would be very helpful to a team like OKC as he can provide decent scoring and excellent defense on Curry.  We get a good young big that helps to balance our roster.  No trade is easy or obvious but this is an example of the type of trade we might be able to muster up.

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« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2016, 10:25:08 PM »

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Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2016, 10:45:25 PM »

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I don't think you backtrack on guys like Isaiah.  You add to players like that. I can understand taking a guy like Isaiah and Bradley for a superstar.  But honestly I don't see that happening. When has Ainge ever tanked? When has he ever taken a player he committed to and building with and then traded him?  I don't think Ainge does things like you think he does. There are reasons for that too and it is just that reason because what you say doesn't make sense for what the celtics are trying to do which is develop and maximize their talent.

I think the idea more is to build a core here and a style of play and ainge has  been drafting plaeyrs that fit that style.  And to make trades to get a guy like Isaiah and then put pieces around players like that with the huge cache we already have.  We don't need a bigger cache.

We can pick and choose who that is as well. There really is no urgency to trade off Sully or Bradley or any of these guys.  We traded a late pick for Isaiah.   We didn't have to trade what we've been building to do that.

I was reading an article the other day and I really don't think people understand teams from new england. I was reading this article saying there is no reason why Bill Russell beat Chamberlain he just did.  It was all reason why Russell beat Chamberlain. The Celtics are smarter than the average person.
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Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2016, 10:51:47 PM »

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I don't think you backtrack on guys like Isaiah.  You add to players like that. I can understand taking a guy like Isaiah and Bradley for a superstar.  But honestly I don't see that happening. When has Ainge ever tanked? When has he ever taken a player he committed to and building with and then traded him?  I don't think Ainge does things like you think he does. There are reasons for that too and it is just hat reason because what you say doesn't make sense for what the celtics are trying to do which is develop and maximize their talent.

I think the idea more is to build a core here and a style of play and ainge has  been drafting plaeyrs that style.  To make trades to get a guy like Isaiah and then put pieces around players like that with the huge cache we already have.  We don't need a bigger cache.

We can pick and choose who that is as well. There really is no urgency to trade off Sully or Bradley or any of these guys.  We traded a late pick for Isaiah.   We didn't have to trade what we've been building to do that.

If we're building around IT than we are screwed! He is a back-up PG that can some in and change the game. The fact he is our top scorer shows how pathetic our offensive talent is.

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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2016, 10:54:14 PM »

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Isaiah is a piece.  He's a go to scorer and one of the few players we have like that right now. He isn't Antoine Walker or Rondo either. He's an efficient player on a good contract. 

I'm not saying Isaiah is going to be here forever either.  But he is a key piece for us in the present at the very least.
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2016, 11:51:08 PM »

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IAn example that I have thought of is Bradley+Amir for Enes Kanter.  I think Bradley would be very helpful to a team like OKC as he can provide decent scoring and excellent defense on Curry.  We get a good young big that helps to balance our roster.  No trade is easy or obvious but this is an example of the type of trade we might be able to muster up.

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Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2016, 01:24:52 AM »

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I love the mentality of the modern NBA fan:

"As soon as you hit a rough patch, throw in the towel."

Sure, you can look at it that way.

I look at it like this:




45 wins isn't cool ... You know what's cool? 65 wins.



This team is still just a pile of assets.  Gotta keep building.  If there's an opportunity to get a leg up this deadline because there are more buyers out there than sellers, then Danny should take advantage, even if it means taking a "step back" in terms of trying to make the playoffs this year. 

We're not done yet.
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« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2016, 01:38:01 AM »

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I love the mentality of the modern NBA fan:

"As soon as you hit a rough patch, throw in the towel."

Sure, you can look at it that way.

I look at it like this:




45 wins isn't cool ... You know what's cool? 65 wins.



This team is still just a pile of assets.  Gotta keep building.  If there's an opportunity to get a leg up this deadline because there are more buyers out there than sellers, then Danny should take advantage, even if it means taking a "step back" in terms of trying to make the playoffs this year. 

We're not done yet.

I don't really buy the take a step back to take a step forward philosophy that you are espousing.

You keep wanting to get younger and find more "prospects."  At the same time, you seem very quick to grow tired of waiting for the prospects we already have to mature.

If Danny showed the same kind of impatient "next toy" mentality, we'd never get out of the rebuilding stage.
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Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2016, 03:10:45 AM »

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I don't really buy the take a step back to take a step forward philosophy that you are espousing.


I know you don't.  You like to cheer for the guys we have, not the guys we might get some day.  I can appreciate that.

But Danny Ainge's strategy all along has appeared to me to be about collecting assets. Buying low and selling high.

So all I'm saying here is that he should continue to do so, without any concern for the win total of this year's team.  This group we have on the roster now is not necessarily anything like the team that's going to finally win meaningful games again in Boston.  Rebuilding requires patience.  Sometimes patience means having the willingness to continue trading your cards in for new ones to incrementally improve your hand, even if the hand you already have is a decent one.


If I looked at this roster and thought that this was a developing roster, I'd have more patience.  But I look at most of the guys we're playing and they've already hit their ceiling, in my opinion.  And what they are, for the most part, is nice but not great.  So I'm not attached.

When we get a group of players I believe has what it takes to be very good, then I'll preach patience and stability.  If Danny Ainge had taken more of a youth development path in this rebuild, as I would have preferred, then I'd be right there with you preaching patience.  But this isn't a young developing team with a high ceiling.  This is a pile of assets getting showcased for a trade.
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Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2016, 04:53:34 AM »

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Pho, I've said this before but basically the only reason I was ok with our run (despite the fact that the final two weeks of the season cost us Winslow or perhaps Porzingus) was that it theoretically kept Stevens content.  There was growing buzz last season that Stevens would jump ship for a big time College program ... and I wanted to keep Stevens here.  He's obviously a great coach.  He could be a draw for free agents.  But if Stevens bailed, it would be a blow.  If the players stopped buying in to Stevens system, that would be a problem too... so I was ok with the run to the knowing full well we were getting swept in the first round. 

I basically feel the same way now.  If I knew that Stevens was willing to stick around while Ainge put this team back into tank mode by trading the better players, I'd 100% support it... but something tells me a selling of assets and delaying our competitive window further would lead to a Stevens departure.  He's too good of a coach to waste his time leading hopeless roster.   This current one lacks star talent and can barely scrape by, but they should be enough to play .500 ball and make the playoffs. 

I do think that if no star can be had at the deadline... as long as Ainge can sell Brad on the idea, "Look... just tough it out for two more months... we're going to sell off some of these assets, try to improve our pick a little... and this summer we're throwing the entire kitchen sink at trying to sign free agents or trade for impact players... if we don't land anything substantial and strike out in the lotto... we will not blame you for leaving"...

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« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2016, 05:05:43 AM »

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Pho, I've said this before but basically the only reason I was ok with our run (despite the fact that the final two weeks of the season cost us Winslow or perhaps Porzingus) was that it theoretically kept Stevens content.  There was growing buzz last season that Stevens would jump ship for a big time College program ... and I wanted to keep Stevens here.  He's obviously a great coach. 


I said this in another thread, but I'll say it here, too.

If Stevens is gonna jump ship because Danny Ainge trades away journeyman role players in order to continue to position the team to make moves to secure legitimate core talent, then I don't want him here.

Brad has shown himself to be a very good coach, it's true, and I like the positive buzz surrounding the team because of him.  At the same time, he tinkers with rotations to an extreme and I have some concerns long term about the coach being the biggest star on the team, getting much of the credit when they succeed and taking little of the blame when they don't.  That's a problematic dynamic at the professional level (see: Chip Kelly).

If Brad is really here to take the team deep in the playoffs, then he'll be able to appreciate the big picture.  He'll give Danny Ainge a reasonable window of time to build the team up.

 The Celts have only been rebuilding for a couple years now.  Brad couldn't possibly have been under the impression that the team would have a set group in place, with a win-now mentality from management, within two seasons.  It was obvious from the start this process would take longer than that.

If Brad couldn't see that, he's either a fool, or a hypocrite for signing on for this job ostensibly with the purpose of being a part of the process of rebuilding the Celtics into a contender even though his patience for losing was limited to a season or two.  Doc Rivers comes to mind.
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Re: Sell At The Deadline
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2016, 06:25:32 AM »

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I don't mind selling the way we should have last year. As in dump the non long term players JJ, Turner, Sully, Zeller, and Lee. And if there is a decent cheap player out there like IT was last year go and grab him. Adding another SG/SF scorer or better PF defender to this team would help. If we can get Gali or Young cheap for say Lee, Dallas and Philly picks you jump on it but again has to be cheap.

Next off season try and build the team better or maybe even move on from favorites.

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« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2016, 07:03:43 AM »

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I don't mind selling the way we should have last year. As in dump the non long term players JJ, Turner, Sully, Zeller, and Lee. And if there is a decent cheap player out there like IT was last year go and grab him. Adding another SG/SF scorer or better PF defender to this team would help. If we can get Gali or Young cheap for say Lee, Dallas and Philly picks you jump on it but again has to be cheap.

I think AB has been ok at times.   I think a big defender that can score would help us a lot.

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« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2016, 07:50:57 AM »

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Yes, they should sell.

Lots of buyers out there.

More draft picks please... :o