What would it take to get Howard?

[Hemingway]

If Hou decided they wanted to trade him, what other teams would be interested and what would the cost to get him be for us? I'm not asking if we should go after him or what his true value is. I'm asking what it would cost to get him if Hou wanted to trade him.

[SHAQATTACK]

Ugh

Not in a million years

[trickybilly]

Depends on how eager hou are to trade him

[2short]

For me it would be a hefty weekend of drinking
He is on a list of players I would never want to see in a Celtic uniform

[dreamgreen]

For me it would be a hefty weekend of drinking
He is on a list of players I would never want to see in a Celtic uniform

LOL TP, I agree.

[LilRip]

if Houston decided they were giving up on D12, I don't think it'd take too much to get him. Probably something like this:

D12+Filler for Sully+Rozier+lottery protected 1st Rounder+Lee

We get Dwight and try to make a strong playoff push.

Rockets get a talented frontcourt player who can start or come off the bench (depending what they wanna do with Jones/Capela). They get a feisty defensive PG who, despite being raw, will probably do a better job than Lawson. They get a pick, which can help them in their reload. Lee will make the salaries match and provide cap relief.

[csfansince60s]

if Houston decided they were giving up on D12, I don't think it'd take too much to get him. Probably something like this:

D12+Filler for Sully+Rozier+lottery protected 1st Rounder+Lee

We get Dwight and try to make a strong playoff push.

Rockets get a talented frontcourt player who can start or come off the bench (depending what they wanna do with Jones/Capela). They get a feisty defensive PG who, despite being raw, will probably do a better job than Lawson. They get a pick, which can help them in their reload. Lee will make the salaries match and provide cap relief.

TP....I agree that it shouldn't take too much to get him, but I also like your trade idea.

He is on a $23mil player option for next year. That's potentially a lose/lose. If he gets hurt or plays like crap, we own him next  year. Or, if he plays well, he opts out and we lose him for nothing.

I think that this is all a moot issue. I kinda hope not, as I think that Howard still can be a big force in the middle, but Howard does not fit into Stevens' system. A good coach should mold his system to the available talent, not turn down talent that doesn't fit his system.

[Hemingway]

probably a moot point, becasue why would he really want to come here, but could we restructure/extend his deal like KG did before we got him? The Rockets would have incentive as he would have more value if he couldn't walk as a FA and Howard MIGHT be interestd in locking up more money.

I don't really want Howard, but I just got thinking that he is a guy that could potentially be gotten cheaper than his talents would indicate if Hou wants to go a different way.

[ssspence]

HOU receives: Morris, Anderson, Lee, 2016 1st from Boston (BOS or DAL, whichever is lower)

NOP receives: Sullinger, Tucker

PHX receives: Brewer, Young

BOS receives: Howard, Thornton

[chambers]

For me it would be a hefty weekend of drinking
He is on a list of players I would never want to see in a Celtic uniform

Well played, Sir.
TP,
TP yes indeed....

[ThePoeticWolf]

if Houston decided they were giving up on D12, I don't think it'd take too much to get him. Probably something like this:

D12+Filler for Sully+Rozier+lottery protected 1st Rounder+Lee

We get Dwight and try to make a strong playoff push.

Rockets get a talented frontcourt player who can start or come off the bench (depending what they wanna do with Jones/Capela). They get a feisty defensive PG who, despite being raw, will probably do a better job than Lawson. They get a pick, which can help them in their reload. Lee will make the salaries match and provide cap relief.

I like your trade but I don't think it would take that much.  Basically I think if the Rockets get a 1st rounder for Howard they're be happy.  I think Sully and Rozier don't need to be involved.

Rockets - Howard and Harrell
Celtics - Zeller, Lee, Jerebko, Dallas 2016 1st, one of our 2016 second rounders. 

We do it this way, not giving up the young talent we're already teaching, plus clears up roster space now and future.  The Celtics have to many draft picks as it sits with I believe it's 7-8 this year depending.  Rockets get 2 draft picks, Zeller who they could resign to be the back up center for them probably for cheap, Jerebko can leave at the end of the year or stay depending on the team.  We do this getting Howard who could leave and give us the cap, or can play out next year and still give us room to sign a max player.  Harrell is a young power forward who could play excellent in our system, and is signed to a 3 year deal at a million a year.  Plus gives us a chance to decide what to do with Sully.

[droopdog7]

if Houston decided they were giving up on D12, I don't think it'd take too much to get him. Probably something like this:

D12+Filler for Sully+Rozier+lottery protected 1st Rounder+Lee

We get Dwight and try to make a strong playoff push.

Rockets get a talented frontcourt player who can start or come off the bench (depending what they wanna do with Jones/Capela). They get a feisty defensive PG who, despite being raw, will probably do a better job than Lawson. They get a pick, which can help them in their reload. Lee will make the salaries match and provide cap relief.

I like your trade but I don't think it would take that much.  Basically I think if the Rockets get a 1st rounder for Howard they're be happy.  I think Sully and Rozier don't need to be involved.

Rockets - Howard and Harrell
Celtics - Zeller, Lee, Jerebko, Dallas 2016 1st, one of our 2016 second rounders. 

We do it this way, not giving up the young talent we're already teaching, plus clears up roster space now and future.  The Celtics have to many draft picks as it sits with I believe it's 7-8 this year depending.  Rockets get 2 draft picks, Zeller who they could resign to be the back up center for them probably for cheap, Jerebko can leave at the end of the year or stay depending on the team.  We do this getting Howard who could leave and give us the cap, or can play out next year and still give us room to sign a max player.  Harrell is a young power forward who could play excellent in our system, and is signed to a 3 year deal at a million a year.  Plus gives us a chance to decide what to do with Sully.

Only if they want to dump Howard at all costs because this is pretty much a garbage offer.  The Dallas pick has zero value.  The second have zero value.  Zeller and Jerebko have zero value.  And Lee has negative value.

Yeah, great offer.

[ThePoeticWolf]

if Houston decided they were giving up on D12, I don't think it'd take too much to get him. Probably something like this:

D12+Filler for Sully+Rozier+lottery protected 1st Rounder+Lee

We get Dwight and try to make a strong playoff push.

Rockets get a talented frontcourt player who can start or come off the bench (depending what they wanna do with Jones/Capela). They get a feisty defensive PG who, despite being raw, will probably do a better job than Lawson. They get a pick, which can help them in their reload. Lee will make the salaries match and provide cap relief.

I like your trade but I don't think it would take that much.  Basically I think if the Rockets get a 1st rounder for Howard they're be happy.  I think Sully and Rozier don't need to be involved.

Rockets - Howard and Harrell
Celtics - Zeller, Lee, Jerebko, Dallas 2016 1st, one of our 2016 second rounders. 

We do it this way, not giving up the young talent we're already teaching, plus clears up roster space now and future.  The Celtics have to many draft picks as it sits with I believe it's 7-8 this year depending.  Rockets get 2 draft picks, Zeller who they could resign to be the back up center for them probably for cheap, Jerebko can leave at the end of the year or stay depending on the team.  We do this getting Howard who could leave and give us the cap, or can play out next year and still give us room to sign a max player.  Harrell is a young power forward who could play excellent in our system, and is signed to a 3 year deal at a million a year.  Plus gives us a chance to decide what to do with Sully.

Only if they want to dump Howard at all costs because this is pretty much a garbage offer.  The Dallas pick has zero value.  The second have zero value.  Zeller and Jerebko have zero value.  And Lee has negative value.

Yeah, great offer.

It helps the Rockets in the big picture and that's what they could be looking at.  For the simple reason they're so much over the cap, this trade gets them under the cap.  Plus it gives them a 2016 1st which they don't have.  Also Howard having a 22 million dollar cap hit next year.  When they're not sure where his head is and if he wants to be there.  So as a GM, if I get money, plus 2 young players, it could be worth it for them.

[Hemingway]

if Houston decided they were giving up on D12, I don't think it'd take too much to get him. Probably something like this:

D12+Filler for Sully+Rozier+lottery protected 1st Rounder+Lee

We get Dwight and try to make a strong playoff push.

Rockets get a talented frontcourt player who can start or come off the bench (depending what they wanna do with Jones/Capela). They get a feisty defensive PG who, despite being raw, will probably do a better job than Lawson. They get a pick, which can help them in their reload. Lee will make the salaries match and provide cap relief.

I like your trade but I don't think it would take that much.  Basically I think if the Rockets get a 1st rounder for Howard they're be happy.  I think Sully and Rozier don't need to be involved.

Rockets - Howard and Harrell
Celtics - Zeller, Lee, Jerebko, Dallas 2016 1st, one of our 2016 second rounders. 

We do it this way, not giving up the young talent we're already teaching, plus clears up roster space now and future.  The Celtics have to many draft picks as it sits with I believe it's 7-8 this year depending.  Rockets get 2 draft picks, Zeller who they could resign to be the back up center for them probably for cheap, Jerebko can leave at the end of the year or stay depending on the team.  We do this getting Howard who could leave and give us the cap, or can play out next year and still give us room to sign a max player.  Harrell is a young power forward who could play excellent in our system, and is signed to a 3 year deal at a million a year.  Plus gives us a chance to decide what to do with Sully.

Only if they want to dump Howard at all costs because this is pretty much a garbage offer.  The Dallas pick has zero value.  The second have zero value.  Zeller and Jerebko have zero value.  And Lee has negative value.

Yeah, great offer.

it's possible to be right and be a jerk.

[kozlodoev]

it's possible to be right and be a jerk.

I agree -- I do it all the time