Sullinger for Markieff Morris?

[slightly biased bias fan]

Would you do this deal?

Boston: Morris, Protected future 1st
Phoenix: Jerebko, Sullinger

Reasons for:

- The attitude problems aside seems the perfect 21st Century stretch 4.
- Seems like his game would mesh perfectly with Cousins 
- On a fantastic, looonnng and cheap deal
- Still only 26 with plenty of development possible
- Phoenix want to be rid of this situation and will sell very low on his true value
- If Danny can get him to play to his potential can also eventually be used a a package piece if we want to move in a different direction.

[osterhagen]

Why do the deal when we have same player in Kelly? Actually considering this year Olynyk is better and younger.

Selling Sullinger for protected future first is great idea but not with Suns. They get Bledsoe back next year, sign some role players, develop young guys this year. They are in hunt for playoffs next year, they were in this one too until Bledsoe injury.

Markieff would be a nice asset, but only if he can get his groove back. Would rather see Mickey play than take a gamble on Morris

[slightly biased bias fan]

Why do the deal when we have same player in Kelly? Actually considering this year Olynyk is better and younger.

Selling Sullinger for protected future first is great idea but not with Suns. They get Bledsoe back next year, sign some role players, develop young guys this year. They are in hunt for playoffs next year, they were in this one too until Bledsoe injury.

Markieff would be a nice asset, but only if he can get his groove back. Would rather see Mickey play than take a gamble on Morris

He is actually nothing like Kelly, he is a defender first and true stretch 4, kelly is an offensive centre with very average defensive ability.

Per Basketball-Reference’s on/off numbers, the Suns defensive efficiency is nine points better per 100 possessions when Morris is on the court (103. compared to when he’s sitting (112.9). To put that in perspective, that defensive efficiency when he’s on the floor is more than a full point better than the league average (105.4).

He is also statistically the best 1 v 1 defender of Draymond Green in the league, which is something. All of this for a guy who is being given away and on a 4 year 32 million contract. Sullinger is going to get paid no matter what, even if Mickey turns out to be better (he isn't even in the league atm technically) how can you turn down an assist like that?

[CroCorvus]

His skills set was never doubted but his demeanour and his head. I know that the Suns are not first class organization and that Sarver is idiot but big deal of what happened is his fault. He is acting like kid and not like professional basketball player, and I'm not sure that I want him with us.
Not sure about Danny, because he's got way more intel that we do. Plus it depends in which phase we are. If we are in still rebuilding phase, gathering pieces with low risk high reward which we could turn into more picks, then yeah, maybe DA will make a move for him. If we get a serious player, then no, DA and Brad will not play with chemistry of the locker room.       

[slightly biased bias fan]

His skills set was never doubted but his demeanour and his head. I know that the Suns are not first class organization and that Sarver is idiot but big deal of what happened is his fault. He is acting like kid and not like professional basketball player, and I'm not sure that I want him with us.
Not sure about Danny, because he's got way more intel that we do. Plus it depends in which phase we are. If we are in still rebuilding phase, gathering pieces with low risk high reward which we could turn into more picks, then yeah, maybe DA will make a move for him. If we get a serious player, then no, DA and Brad will not play with chemistry of the locker room.       

I completely understand what your saying but word from Zach Lowe is that the reason he is acting up is that he was screwed by Suns and some part by his agent.

The reason he is on a cheap deal is that when negotiating new deals, the Morris twins both took very cheap deals as the stipulation was that they got to play together on the same team and that was understood by both parties, then Suns traded away his brother. His agent is either a dope or in cahoots with the Suns as he should have placed no trade clauses in the Morris twins contracts.

[CroCorvus]

His skills set was never doubted but his demeanour and his head. I know that the Suns are not first class organization and that Sarver is idiot but big deal of what happened is his fault. He is acting like kid and not like professional basketball player, and I'm not sure that I want him with us.
Not sure about Danny, because he's got way more intel that we do. Plus it depends in which phase we are. If we are in still rebuilding phase, gathering pieces with low risk high reward which we could turn into more picks, then yeah, maybe DA will make a move for him. If we get a serious player, then no, DA and Brad will not play with chemistry of the locker room.       

I completely understand what your saying but word from Zach Lowe is that the reason he is acting up is that he was screwed by Suns and some part by his agent.

The reason he is on a cheap deal is that when negotiating new deals, the Morris twins both took very cheap deals as the stipulation was that they got to play together on the same team and that was understood by both parties, then Suns traded away his brother. His agent is either a dope or in cahoots with the Suns as he should have placed no trade clauses in the Morris twins contracts.

We all have heard of Sarver being cheap all that, but the twins did a bunch of stupid things. Just like I tell my boss that I will come to work everyday but I will not work because he transferred my brother to another organisation unit. Plus he got a very nice deal (4x8mil) back then and why is he complaining? That's an Avery's money or Crowder's money and look at them, they are a true professionals, stand up guys and excellent teammates... I'm sure if Danny make a deal for him he will have more info then we do.

[osterhagen]

Why do the deal when we have same player in Kelly? Actually considering this year Olynyk is better and younger.

Selling Sullinger for protected future first is great idea but not with Suns. They get Bledsoe back next year, sign some role players, develop young guys this year. They are in hunt for playoffs next year, they were in this one too until Bledsoe injury.

Markieff would be a nice asset, but only if he can get his groove back. Would rather see Mickey play than take a gamble on Morris

He is actually nothing like Kelly, he is a defender first and true stretch 4, kelly is an offensive centre with very average defensive ability.

Per Basketball-Reference’s on/off numbers, the Suns defensive efficiency is nine points better per 100 possessions when Morris is on the court (103. compared to when he’s sitting (112.9). To put that in perspective, that defensive efficiency when he’s on the floor is more than a full point better than the league average (105.4).

He is also statistically the best 1 v 1 defender of Draymond Green in the league, which is something. All of this for a guy who is being given away and on a 4 year 32 million contract. Sullinger is going to get paid no matter what, even if Mickey turns out to be better (he isn't even in the league atm technically) how can you turn down an assist like that?

Suns on/off def rtg with Morris this years is 2.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2016/on-off/), last year was 5,2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2015/on-off/). So it's not 9 point difference. Didn't knew he is valued as one of the best 1-on-1 defenders in the league.

So he is definitely interesting asset to have, but the problem remains would he turn over the page and started playing like last season and not be locker room problem.

[SHAQATTACK]

The twins are not 10 years old now .   Time for them to,grow up and lead their own life's .   
Not liking siblings this unstable.

Lopezs functioning fine on separate teams.


Don't want either Morris on team......whining and moaning

[slightly biased bias fan]

Why do the deal when we have same player in Kelly? Actually considering this year Olynyk is better and younger.

Selling Sullinger for protected future first is great idea but not with Suns. They get Bledsoe back next year, sign some role players, develop young guys this year. They are in hunt for playoffs next year, they were in this one too until Bledsoe injury.

Markieff would be a nice asset, but only if he can get his groove back. Would rather see Mickey play than take a gamble on Morris

He is actually nothing like Kelly, he is a defender first and true stretch 4, kelly is an offensive centre with very average defensive ability.

Per Basketball-Reference’s on/off numbers, the Suns defensive efficiency is nine points better per 100 possessions when Morris is on the court (103. compared to when he’s sitting (112.9). To put that in perspective, that defensive efficiency when he’s on the floor is more than a full point better than the league average (105.4).

He is also statistically the best 1 v 1 defender of Draymond Green in the league, which is something. All of this for a guy who is being given away and on a 4 year 32 million contract. Sullinger is going to get paid no matter what, even if Mickey turns out to be better (he isn't even in the league atm technically) how can you turn down an assist like that?

Suns on/off def rtg with Morris this years is 2.6 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2016/on-off/), last year was 5,2 (http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/PHO/2015/on-off/). So it's not 9 point difference. Didn't knew he is valued as one of the best 1-on-1 defenders in the league.

So he is definitely interesting asset to have, but the problem remains would he turn over the page and started playing like last season and not be locker room problem.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=14517798
21:45 discusses Morris...it's worth a listen.

[Celtics4ever]

Why do the deal when we have same player in Kelly? Actually considering this year Olynyk is better and younger.

Selling Sullinger for protected future first is great idea but not with Suns. They get Bledsoe back next year, sign some role players, develop young guys this year. They are in hunt for playoffs next year, they were in this one too until Bledsoe injury.

Markieff would be a nice asset, but only if he can get his groove back. Would rather see Mickey play than take a gamble on Morris

Morris is sulking now, last year he averaged 15 PPG.   KO has never averaged that.  His best was 10 PPG. 

It might be worth a deal.  There are maturity and professional problems.   But I would argue that Jared has issues with being a professional, staying in shape, and keeping his weight down.   A change of scenery would help both of them.    We would lose in rebounding, but gain in floor spreading and a defender and the player who is a better scorer.   We would  win this trade.

[jambr380]

You kind of have to do this deal if you're Boston, right? A protected first would be nice, but not sure it would really be included. Morris may be acting immature, but I think his problem is 100% with PHX and not life in general. He seems like a good buy-low candidate. Maybe IT can give his input since he actually played with him.

Sully has been a nice rebounder for us, but the weight thing is out of control. How can we possibly commit to him long term this summer - at a rate likely higher than Morris.

[hwangjini_1]

Would you do this deal?

Boston: Morris, Protected future 1st
Phoenix: Jerebko, Sullinger

Reasons for:

- The attitude problems aside seems the perfect 21st Century stretch 4.
- Seems like his game would mesh perfectly with Cousins 
- On a fantastic, looonnng and cheap deal
- Still only 26 with plenty of development possible
- Phoenix want to be rid of this situation and will sell very low on his true value
- If Danny can get him to play to his potential can also eventually be used a a package piece if we want to move in a different direction.

first, on the bolded, given morris abysmal record, why would you not worry about his behavior?

second, there is already a lengthy thread on morris. you might want to refer to that thread for this one.

[MBunge]

With Morris on a very team friendly contract for the next few years, I can't see them giving up a 1st to move him.  It would more likely be Sully, Jerebko, our Philly 2nd rounder this year and another 2nd.

It's an intriguing idea additionally because it would also open up more minutes for Zeller.

Mike

[chilidawg]

With Morris on a very team friendly contract for the next few years, I can't see them giving up a 1st to move him.  It would more likely be Sully, Jerebko, our Philly 2nd rounder this year and another 2nd.

It's an intriguing idea additionally because it would also open up more minutes for Zeller.

Mike

This seems more realistic, and I'd do this.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Yes.

I can't remember which podcast was it that I heard this (I think it's on Zach Lowe's with Brian Windhorst), but I agree. With his off court issues, there's a good player in there who's on a great contract, and is versatile on the offensive end.

I'd do it.