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Our record
« on: January 07, 2016, 01:54:18 AM »

Offline alldaboston

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In the midst of our poor start to 2016, I had a question for the forum

Currently our record is 19-16, 8th in the east, after the loss to Detroit. This coming after 3 head shaking losses earlier in the season, once to Lakers and twice to Nets. If, instead of losing those three games, we had won them, and our record was 22-13, good for 3rd in the East, would your feelings about the team and the season thus far be vastly different than how they are with our actual record?

I would say yes, because having that third seed would give us more leverage in the pursuit for the playoffs, and we wouldn't have to worry nearly as much about being in a tight mix with other teams, and pondering tiebreaker situations down the road. What do you guys think?
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2016, 01:57:34 AM »

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I think we should seriously look at trading KO for Ryan Anderson.  We have another knock down shooter outside of Bradley and Isaiah we are 3rd in the east and can go strong in the draft after a star player to complete this thing.

I think this team is legitamently 2 players away like that.

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« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2016, 02:01:50 AM »

Offline alldaboston

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I think we should seriously look at trading KO for Ryan Anderson.  We have another knock down shooter outside of Bradley and Isaiah we are 3rd in the east and can go strong in the draft after a star player to complete this thing.

I think this team is legitamently 2 players away like that.

Would you then resign Anderson in the summer? How much do you really want to commit for him?
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2016, 02:13:35 AM »

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I would definately resign him yeah. I think he is worth chandler parsons type money. Maybe a little less. But like 4 years 40 mil. Somewhere between Crowder and a guy like Parsons.  Bradley is getting 9 mil  a year.  Anderson would be worth 4 years at 10 mil.

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« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2016, 03:52:45 AM »

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Ryan Anderson literally does one thing well: shoot from range. He also has problems staying healthy. Olynyk is frustrating but I'd rather keep him another year on his rookie deal and hope his shot improves than invest big in Anderson.

I hope this interest in Anderson doesn't become a "thing" like the Asik fascination two years ago. It's just not worth it to overpay role players. The only situation where it's kind of OK is if you're a contender and you just need that one last piece of depth and are willing to pay the luxury tax to go for a title.

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« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2016, 06:05:44 AM »

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I think we should seriously look at trading KO for Ryan Anderson.  We have another knock down shooter outside of Bradley and Isaiah we are 3rd in the east and can go strong in the draft after a star player to complete this thing.

I think this team is legitamently 2 players away like that.
Why would you trade a player with 1 more year on a rookie contract for a player who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer?  To even make the trade you would have to add Jerebko or multiple other players to match his 8.5million salary.  Not to mention the only thing Anderson is better at than K.O. is FT shooting, everything else K.O. is either equal to or way better at already.  You would downgrade a lot defensively and his passing and ball handling is just not on the same planet.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2016, 06:40:32 AM »

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I would definately resign him yeah. I think he is worth chandler parsons type money. Maybe a little less. But like 4 years 40 mil. Somewhere between Crowder and a guy like Parsons.  Bradley is getting 9 mil  a year.  Anderson would be worth 4 years at 10 mil.
I don't think there is any way he goes for $10M a season. my guess is someone gives him between $13M - $17M per season because of all the crazy cap space that will be out there this summer.

He's not a bad player, but because of what I expect it will cost to resign him I wouldn't want to touch Ryan Anderson with a 10 foot pole.

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« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2016, 06:47:29 AM »

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I think we should seriously look at trading KO for Ryan Anderson.  We have another knock down shooter outside of Bradley and Isaiah we are 3rd in the east and can go strong in the draft after a star player to complete this thing.

I think this team is legitamently 2 players away like that.

Absolutely no. Kelly is younger, healthier, cost controlled player with more upside, why would you do that? That's a step back if you ask me.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2016, 08:18:03 AM »

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In the midst of our poor start to 2016, I had a question for the forum

Currently our record is 19-16, 8th in the east, after the loss to Detroit. This coming after 3 head shaking losses earlier in the season, once to Lakers and twice to Nets. If, instead of losing those three games, we had won them, and our record was 22-13, good for 3rd in the East, would your feelings about the team and the season thus far be vastly different than how they are with our actual record?

I would say yes, because having that third seed would give us more leverage in the pursuit for the playoffs, and we wouldn't have to worry nearly as much about being in a tight mix with other teams, and pondering tiebreaker situations down the road. What do you guys think?
our record is already better than I expected at this point.  you could swap 6 losses that should have been wins this season already.  If the C's had won those games, I'd be elated that they'd be doing that well. 

Before the season started, I figured they'd just miss the playoffs and I still think that's a fair possibility.  The East isn't the cakewalk it was last year and everyone but Brooklyn and Philly have the talent to challenge for a spot. 

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2016, 08:34:11 AM »

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In the midst of our poor start to 2016, I had a question for the forum

Currently our record is 19-16, 8th in the east, after the loss to Detroit. This coming after 3 head shaking losses earlier in the season, once to Lakers and twice to Nets. If, instead of losing those three games, we had won them, and our record was 22-13, good for 3rd in the East, would your feelings about the team and the season thus far be vastly different than how they are with our actual record?


You cant say this.  The facts are that they lost those games because they are not good enough to be 22-13.

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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2016, 09:11:03 AM »

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My feelings would totally be different. We lost to some extremely sub-par teams which makes me question what we are doing this year. I wouldn't be for a tank as it is too late for that and our pick would only fall to the 12-14 range, but there do need to be some changes made. Maybe simply getting back AB will make a difference - our offense has been lost without him (except in the 1st quarter yesterday).

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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2016, 12:41:17 PM »

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I think we should seriously look at trading KO for Ryan Anderson.  We have another knock down shooter outside of Bradley and Isaiah we are 3rd in the east and can go strong in the draft after a star player to complete this thing.

I think this team is legitamently 2 players away like that.
Why would you trade a player with 1 more year on a rookie contract for a player who will be an unrestricted free agent this summer?  To even make the trade you would have to add Jerebko or multiple other players to match his 8.5million salary.  Not to mention the only thing Anderson is better at than K.O. is FT shooting, everything else K.O. is either equal to or way better at already.  You would downgrade a lot defensively and his passing and ball handling is just not on the same planet.

what if we could get ryan anderson for lee and turner and not resign him and keep KO?

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2016, 12:42:54 PM »

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Not to mention there were a few games in the begining of the year that could have been won. (Spurs, Pacers, Raptors) We're not too far away, the issue is good teams win these games. We're not a GOOD team yet. We're getting there though.

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2016, 12:44:01 PM »

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One thing is for sure C's don't want to be better than a 5th seed right now. Their Home record is horrible.

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2016, 12:44:19 PM »

Offline PhoSita

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In the midst of our poor start to 2016, I had a question for the forum

Currently our record is 19-16, 8th in the east, after the loss to Detroit. This coming after 3 head shaking losses earlier in the season, once to Lakers and twice to Nets. If, instead of losing those three games, we had won them, and our record was 22-13, good for 3rd in the East, would your feelings about the team and the season thus far be vastly different than how they are with our actual record?

I would say yes, because having that third seed would give us more leverage in the pursuit for the playoffs, and we wouldn't have to worry nearly as much about being in a tight mix with other teams, and pondering tiebreaker situations down the road. What do you guys think?

Losing to the Lakers and twice to Nets seems to have more significance than just any three game losing streak (consider, instead, losing to the Warriors and Spurs three times).

Still, you're right to point out that a 3 game swing can drastically change perceptions even if it probably isn't that big of a deal in the big picture.

My feeling all along has been that this is a 40-45 win team good for a bottom 4 playoff seed in the conference and a first round loss in the playoffs.  A bit better than last year, but not substantially different.

I haven't seen anything so far this season to change my mind (currently on a 44-45 win pace).  I will say, the team is much better defensively than I expected, and I thought they'd be pretty decent again, as they were last year. 

Trouble is they're more or less just as bad offensively as they were last year.  Maybe worse, when you compare the first half of this season to what they were doing after the trade deadline last year.
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