I wouldn't trade Kelly for Anderson straight up. Anderson is a free agent this summer, Kelly is cost controlled for another year. Anderson isn't taking us to the next level. He's also a poor defender, an area Kelly has greatly improved on and hopefully will continue to do so.

We all need to remember that we aren't about to start making small moves to move towards contention. We are still in the development stage, waiting for a big star to become available and go all in on. Then we might start looking for veteran complementary pieces to go alongside that star. At this point in time trading our youth for complementary veterans seems wasteful and short sighted

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At this stage of their careers, Anderson is clearly a better go-to option than Kelly, but Kelly does bring the added components of playmaking / passing - either by driving into the lane or in the high post. He really had some nice set-ups in the first half when our offense was stagnant.

Unfortunately because of his instinct to create for others, he sometimes looks awkward doing it for himself and will likely never have the confidence of Ryan Anderson. We see it in spurts, but not consistently yet. Still, I think I like the added dimensions of Kelly's game more than Anderson.

The fascination for Ryan Anderson, furthermore, a Ryan Anderson on an expiring contract around this forum honestly baffle me completely.

Quote from: TheSundanceKid on January 07, 2016, 05:42:34 AM

I wouldn't trade Kelly for Anderson straight up. Anderson is a free agent this summer, Kelly is cost controlled for another year. Anderson isn't taking us to the next level. He's also a poor defender, an area Kelly has greatly improved on and hopefully will continue to do so.

We all need to remember that we aren't about to start making small moves to move towards contention. We are still in the development stage, waiting for a big star to become available and go all in on. Then we might start looking for veteran complementary pieces to go alongside that star. At this point in time trading our youth for complementary veterans seems wasteful and short sighted

and waiting around for a star that may never come seems silly. As does lingering in the middle.  I'm not saying I would trade KO for Anderson, but at least it would show Ainge is picking a direction and going with it.  This hovering around the middle nonsense is getting old.

Exactly how long do you think we've been "hovering around the middle"?

Let's take a look at this.  Hmm, until the KG/PP trade, we were shooting for a title challenge.  We trade them, get great picks and then we're mediocre.  ok, a season and a half of Rondo and Green as team leaders going nowhere.  could even argue that roster was less than mediocre.

Ainge then shakes it up less than halfway through last season to, theoretically, make the team worse by moving Rondo and Green for basically picks and journeymen (Crowder's blooming not withstanding).  No one could reasonably expected the improved play but Ainge saw the upswing and made the deal for IT.  Again, team is on the upswing to the point of making the playoffs. 

Draft night, tried to swing a deal to move up in the draft but unsuccessful in getting Charlotte to budge.  Able to move the corpse of Gerald Wallace for David Lee -  a talent upgrade regardless of what Lee has done so far on the court.  Team is above .500 which is better than last year with the prospect of a top 3 pick being added to this roster next season in addition to any FAs he may be able to sign. 

How exactly are we "hovering around the middle"? -- nevermind to the point where you feel it's gotten old.

... we really lacked another guy besides Isaiah who can knock down shots.  Kelly is kind of a similar player but I don't think I've ever seen Kelly hit a big shot yet at the end of games. He's young. He's developing.

Anderson's 3pt% 36  Olynyk's 3pt% 39

As for big shots, have you seen Anderson hit big shots?   Kelly did knock down a big three late in a game this year to ice it, but if you mean last possession as time is running out to win or tie I agree, he is probably 0-4 or five.

Quote from: Moranis on January 07, 2016, 08:28:00 AM

Quote from: TheSundanceKid on January 07, 2016, 05:42:34 AM

I wouldn't trade Kelly for Anderson straight up. Anderson is a free agent this summer, Kelly is cost controlled for another year. Anderson isn't taking us to the next level. He's also a poor defender, an area Kelly has greatly improved on and hopefully will continue to do so.

We all need to remember that we aren't about to start making small moves to move towards contention. We are still in the development stage, waiting for a big star to become available and go all in on. Then we might start looking for veteran complementary pieces to go alongside that star. At this point in time trading our youth for complementary veterans seems wasteful and short sighted

and waiting around for a star that may never come seems silly. As does lingering in the middle.  I'm not saying I would trade KO for Anderson, but at least it would show Ainge is picking a direction and going with it.  This hovering around the middle nonsense is getting old.

Exactly how long do you think we've been "hovering around the middle"?

Let's take a look at this.  Hmm, until the KG/PP trade, we were shooting for a title challenge.  We trade them, get great picks and then we're mediocre.  ok, a season and a half of Rondo and Green as team leaders going nowhere.  could even argue that roster was less than mediocre.

Ainge then shakes it up less than halfway through last season to, theoretically, make the team worse by moving Rondo and Green for basically picks and journeymen (Crowder's blooming not withstanding).  No one could reasonably expected the improved play but Ainge saw the upswing and made the deal for IT.  Again, team is on the upswing to the point of making the playoffs. 

Draft night, tried to swing a deal to move up in the draft but unsuccessful in getting Charlotte to budge.  Able to move the corpse of Gerald Wallace for David Lee -  a talent upgrade regardless of what Lee has done so far on the court.  Team is above .500 which is better than last year with the prospect of a top 3 pick being added to this roster next season in addition to any FAs he may be able to sign. 

How exactly are we "hovering around the middle"? -- nevermind to the point where you feel it's gotten old.

The Celtics haven't been a contender in 4 seasons and haven't ever bottomed out.  That is the middle.