Trade Idea: Celtics, Bulls, Pelicans

[Evantime34]

To Chicago: Evan Turner, Jonas Jerebko

To New Orleans: Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, David Lee, the Mavs First, and a second round pick or two.

To Boston: Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Joakim Noah.

Why for Chicago: Woj in his latest podcast indicated that the Bulls are looking to trade Noah or Gibson for a wing. Evan Turner and Jerebko both give them help at the wing.

Why for New Orleans: Ryan Anderson is going to leave next year so getting assets for him now is a good idea for a team that isnt going to make the playoffs. Evans has reportedly been a bad fit for Alvin Gentry's offense. Nola gets draft picks, opens up cap space next year and get to try out two restricted free agents. With Anthony Davis creating extra cap space could really be fruitful.

Why for Boston: The Celtics add 3 point shooting they really lack in Ryan Anderson, upgrade from Evan Turner by adding Tyreke Evans as a second ball handler and replace Sullinger with a more defensive center before we have to pay him a lot for him in free agency.

Let me know what you think, if it' not a fair deal for one side please indicate what could be added to make it better.

[BitterJim]

To Chicago: Evan Turner, Jonas Jerebko

To New Orleans: Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, David Lee, the Mavs First, and a second round pick or two.

To Boston: Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Joakim Noah.

Why for Chicago: Woj in his latest podcast indicated that the Bulls are looking to trade Noah or Gibson for a wing. Evan Turner and Jerebko both give them help at the wing.

Why for New Orleans: Ryan Anderson is going to leave next year so getting assets for him now is a good idea for a team that isnt going to make the playoffs. Evans has reportedly been a bad fit for Alvin Gentry's offense. Nola gets draft picks, opens up cap space next year and get to try out two restricted free agents. With Anthony Davis creating extra cap space could really be fruitful.

Why for Boston: The Celtics add 3 point shooting they really lack in Ryan Anderson, upgrade from Evan Turner by adding Tyreke Evans as a second ball handler and replace Sullinger with a more defensive center before we have to pay him a lot for him in free agency.

Let me know what you think, if it' not a fair deal for one side please indicate what could be added to make it better.

Bulls and C's say no.  NO wins this deal.

[Evantime34]

To Chicago: Evan Turner, Jonas Jerebko

To New Orleans: Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, David Lee, the Mavs First, and a second round pick or two.

To Boston: Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Joakim Noah.

Why for Chicago: Woj in his latest podcast indicated that the Bulls are looking to trade Noah or Gibson for a wing. Evan Turner and Jerebko both give them help at the wing.

Why for New Orleans: Ryan Anderson is going to leave next year so getting assets for him now is a good idea for a team that isnt going to make the playoffs. Evans has reportedly been a bad fit for Alvin Gentry's offense. Nola gets draft picks, opens up cap space next year and get to try out two restricted free agents. With Anthony Davis creating extra cap space could really be fruitful.

Why for Boston: The Celtics add 3 point shooting they really lack in Ryan Anderson, upgrade from Evan Turner by adding Tyreke Evans as a second ball handler and replace Sullinger with a more defensive center before we have to pay him a lot for him in free agency.

Let me know what you think, if it' not a fair deal for one side please indicate what could be added to make it better.

Bulls and C's say no.  NO wins this deal.

Why would the Bulls say no? They are getting the wings they need. Moving Noah gives them more times to play Portis who they are trying to make time for.

Maybe Boston is giving up too many picks in the this. If it was the Boston pick instead of the Mavs pick would that make it more fair? What about if the 2nds weren't included.

TP for reading my idea.

[pearljammer10]

Chicago says no in a heartbeat. They could get a much better return for Noah. Add a first and a second and its more appealing but I'm still not sure about it.

Love it for the C's. Love Noah, love Evans, Anderson's floor spreading fits great.

IT/Smart
AB/Hunter
Evans/Crowder
Anderson/KO
Noah/Amir

Is a nice ten man rotation that can still add a superstar when available to put us over the top.

[CelticSince83]

To Chicago: Evan Turner, Jonas Jerebko

To New Orleans: Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, David Lee, the Mavs First, and a second round pick or two.

To Boston: Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Joakim Noah.

Why for Chicago: Woj in his latest podcast indicated that the Bulls are looking to trade Noah or Gibson for a wing. Evan Turner and Jerebko both give them help at the wing.

Why for New Orleans: Ryan Anderson is going to leave next year so getting assets for him now is a good idea for a team that isnt going to make the playoffs. Evans has reportedly been a bad fit for Alvin Gentry's offense. Nola gets draft picks, opens up cap space next year and get to try out two restricted free agents. With Anthony Davis creating extra cap space could really be fruitful.

Why for Boston: The Celtics add 3 point shooting they really lack in Ryan Anderson, upgrade from Evan Turner by adding Tyreke Evans as a second ball handler and replace Sullinger with a more defensive center before we have to pay him a lot for him in free agency.

Let me know what you think, if it' not a fair deal for one side please indicate what could be added to make it better.

Bulls and C's say no.  NO wins this deal.

Why would the Bulls say no? They are getting the wings they need. Moving Noah gives them more times to play Portis who they are trying to make time for.

Maybe Boston is giving up too many picks in the this. If it was the Boston pick instead of the Mavs pick would that make it more fair? What about if the 2nds weren't included.

TP for reading my idea.

Celtics say yes. Chicago says maybe.  Personally I think NO is getting the shaft here.  They would be in the same situation as us with Sully being an RFA, Lee and Zeller are obviously worthless, so really don't see them being too excited about this.  Interesting seeing the different takes on this though.  TP for a reasonable idea.

[Evantime34]

Chicago says no in a heartbeat. They could get a much better return for Noah. Add a first and a second and its more appealing but I'm still not sure about it.

Love it for the C's. Love Noah, love Evans, Anderson's floor spreading fits great.

IT/Smart
AB/Hunter
Evans/Crowder
Anderson/KO
Noah/Amir

Is a nice ten man rotation that can still add a superstar when available to put us over the top.

If Chicago knows that Noah is leaving at the end of the year and they want Portis to take his minutes now I think it makes a ton of sense for the bulls.

I'd make the rotation differently
It/
Smart
Crowder
Olynyk
Noah

Evans becomes the siixth man and the primary ball handler off the bench. Bradley, Hunter, and Anderson space the floor and Amir Johnson provides the second unit with a defensive back bone.

[Smitty77]

To Chicago: Evan Turner, Jonas Jerebko

To New Orleans: Jared Sullinger, Tyler Zeller, David Lee, the Mavs First, and a second round pick or two.

To Boston: Tyreke Evans, Ryan Anderson, Joakim Noah.

Why for Chicago: Woj in his latest podcast indicated that the Bulls are looking to trade Noah or Gibson for a wing. Evan Turner and Jerebko both give them help at the wing.

Why for New Orleans: Ryan Anderson is going to leave next year so getting assets for him now is a good idea for a team that isnt going to make the playoffs. Evans has reportedly been a bad fit for Alvin Gentry's offense. Nola gets draft picks, opens up cap space next year and get to try out two restricted free agents. With Anthony Davis creating extra cap space could really be fruitful.

Why for Boston: The Celtics add 3 point shooting they really lack in Ryan Anderson, upgrade from Evan Turner by adding Tyreke Evans as a second ball handler and replace Sullinger with a more defensive center before we have to pay him a lot for him in free agency.

Let me know what you think, if it' not a fair deal for one side please indicate what could be added to make it better.

I think many on Celticsblog tend to overrate JJ to an extreme degree.  He is a marginal NBA player at best!!  I do like Evan Turner and I would hate to lose him, but if we got this return, how could we say no??

We would probably have to include one of our future first rounders or a couple of decent seconds to Chicago.

Good idea!!

Smitty77

[Csfan1984]

Voted Chicago and New Orleans says No. I don't even like Evans but we would be getting over on them still.

[Al91]

I don't "love it" if I'm Boston.

I've been living about two hours east of New Orleans for the past two and a half years, only in the past month have I actually made it to two Pelicans games (versus Celtics in early December and against the Clippers late last week).

That teams needs some help. Badly. The Pelicans are capable of beating more teams, they're just one bad possession away from it most of the time. I play around with the trade machine from time to time and I always gut the Pelicans' roster. Asik isn't the right Center to play with Davis, and I'm not sure replacing Asik with Ajinca in the starting lineup would help any. Asik usually sits at the three point line to start possessions awaiting a dribble hand off, then he passes the ball for the next sequence, then retreats to some unoccupied space on the floor because he has zero offense outside of putback dunks or layups.

ANYWAY, I don't love it for Boston because I really like Turner. I feel like he would be a major "get" for NOLA because Jrue Holiday has missed considerable time since first becoming a Pelican and Tyreke is as bad as shooting 3s as Turner, but he's hardly as smooth as Turner either.

I really just don't want any of the Pelicans' junk, but it's impossible to avoid if we'd really want someone like Anderson. That said, I'd give up Sullinger, Young, and the Mavs pick for him, though I don't think that trade would work salary-wise.

NOLA is in a sneaky-good position. They started off slow due to injuries that they'll likely miss the playoffs and come away with a lottery pick. Even if they turn around their season they can go maybe something like 40-42 or 36-46, I don't know. They'll still be able to clear Gordon off the books and could have two lottery picks if they dealt Anderson to us.

[pearljammer10]

I don't "love it" if I'm Boston.

I've been living about two hours east of New Orleans for the past two and a half years, only in the past month have I actually made it to two Pelicans games (versus Celtics in early December and against the Clippers late last week).

That teams needs some help. Badly. The Pelicans are capable of beating more teams, they're just one bad possession away from it most of the time. I play around with the trade machine from time to time and I always gut the Pelicans' roster. Asik isn't the right Center to play with Davis, and I'm not sure replacing Asik with Ajinca in the starting lineup would help any. Asik usually sits at the three point line to start possessions awaiting a dribble hand off, then he passes the ball for the next sequence, then retreats to some unoccupied space on the floor because he has zero offense outside of putback dunks or layups.

ANYWAY, I don't love it for Boston because I really like Turner. I feel like he would be a major "get" for NOLA because Jrue Holiday has missed considerable time since first becoming a Pelican and Tyreke is as bad as shooting 3s as Turner, but he's hardly as smooth as Turner either.

I really just don't want any of the Pelicans' junk, but it's impossible to avoid if we'd really want someone like Anderson. That said, I'd give up Sullinger, Young, and the Mavs pick for him, though I don't think that trade would work salary-wise.

NOLA is in a sneaky-good position. They started off slow due to injuries that they'll likely miss the playoffs and come away with a lottery pick. Even if they turn around their season they can go maybe something like 40-42 or 36-46, I don't know. They'll still be able to clear Gordon off the books and could have two lottery picks if they dealt Anderson to us.

Careerwise you could make a case but this year Turner is shooting a whopping 15% on 3pointers.... Yes you read that right. Evans is shooting 38% and taking 3 per game.

He's also averaging 15, 7, and 6 on the year this year, and he is only playing 6 minutes more a game that Turner. Evans might have had his ups and downs through his career but he is having a really good season (statwise) for NOP.

[Lucky17]

I still think the deal for Noah will be Lee and a non-BRK 1st to Charlotte, Batum to Chicago, and Noah to the Celtics.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Don't like it for Boston. Evans who's been battling injuries all season (and depending on how you look at it, positive that we'd have him for next season as well or as negative for taking up cap space), Anderson who I'm not a fan of as it is, only an expiring contract, and Noah another expiring contract (and seeming on a decline and battling injuries).

So... I'll keep the picks and restricted free-agents for now, and their minimal impact to our cap space next off-season. Also the non-guaranteed contracts may be of use.

[Evantime34]

Don't like it for Boston. Evans who's been battling injuries all season (and depending on how you look at it, positive that we'd have him for next season as well or as negative for taking up cap space), Anderson who I'm not a fan of as it is, only an expiring contract, and Noah another expiring contract (and seeming on a decline and battling injuries).

So... I'll keep the picks and restricted free-agents for now, and their minimal impact to our cap space next off-season. Also the non-guaranteed contracts may be of use.

I would be surprised if Danny doesn't target guys on expiring contracts so that he can keep a lot of cap space.

As to Evans, I would be surprised (pleasantly) if we sign a free agent better than him in the offseason.

[boscel33]

What's the fascination with Noah?  He's thirty and has played full seasons just twice.  I think we can do better with the assets we have.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Don't like it for Boston. Evans who's been battling injuries all season (and depending on how you look at it, positive that we'd have him for next season as well or as negative for taking up cap space), Anderson who I'm not a fan of as it is, only an expiring contract, and Noah another expiring contract (and seeming on a decline and battling injuries).

So... I'll keep the picks and restricted free-agents for now, and their minimal impact to our cap space next off-season. Also the non-guaranteed contracts may be of use.

I would be surprised if Danny doesn't target guys on expiring contracts so that he can keep a lot of cap space.

As to Evans, I would be surprised (pleasantly) if we sign a free agent better than him in the offseason.

Danny shouldn't have to target guys on expiring contracts, he ALREADY has players in expiring contracts (including all the Celtics players used in the proposed trade).

And we're giving up assets to acquire them, which doesn't make much sense.

I like Evans though personally, so we'll see.

I just hate the idea of trading away assets we have pretty much total control over for half season rentals, including players who may be marginally better, if better at all, in the decline, injured, or all of the above.