Danny Ainge Missed Again - Terry Rozier

[Csfan1984]

 If IT got hurt, Smart and Turner are ahead of him.

I agree it's different if IT is hurt. If IT is gone however BS would be committed to developing Rozier and using him in the rotation.

[KG Living Legend]

 Right now I just see Terry as an explosive off guard that's 6'1" and does not have a high BBIQ.

 He's a scorer, and my hope is that he can be a go to type ISO
 option down the line.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If the Celtics had drafted Bobby Portis, he'd be currently in the D-League.

[KG Living Legend]

 Not if we didn't sign Amir BudW,

 But what about Rozier? At least Portis you can see the light were he's going to be playing a LOT here.

 When is Rozier going to play? That's what a lot of us were thinking when we drafted him. It was a mistake.

[BudweiserCeltic]

 Not if we didn't sign Amir BudW,

 But what about Rozier? At least Portis you can see the light were he's going to be playing a LOT here.

 When is Rozier going to play? That's what a lot of us were thinking when we drafted him. It was a mistake.

You mean if we didn't sign Amir AND trade for Lee. And those things would probably would've happened regardless of Portis being drafted or not. The reason those two were acquired was because of trade value implications more than anything.

The reality of things, regardless of how what you guys think of Portis or Rozier, the fact is that we have a logjam of NBA ready and veterans in the 4-5 spot, to say nothing of Jerebko/Crowder who also slide to the 4, to have found playing time for Portis.

Main reason? There's not even room for him to get dressed and find garbage playing time.

So sorry. He would still be in D-League for us regardless of how good he is or would've looked.

[MJohnnyboy]

Right. A stretch of 3 good games by Portis means Danny made a mistake taking Rozier over him.

Just like how because Perry Jones III scored 33 points in game once meant he was definitely part of the Celtics future.

It's official. Patience no longer exists in Boston. I'm holding my breath on Danny's draft decision until I get a larger sample size. I firmly believe though that Rozier's development will take time, which is going to be a problem with a good amount of fans because right now the mindset is,

[ThePoeticWolf]

Remember that if we took Portis, we probably would not have taken Mickey. They play the same position, and we already have so many 4s that Mickey can't crack the rotation. We would have had Portis, Sully, Lee, Mickey, Jerekbo, KO, and Amir who all play the 4. Thats 7 guys at 1 position! I personally love Mickey, and you're basically comparing Rozier/Mickey to Portis/(whoever was left at 33). The next pg to be taken was Andrew Harrison. Probably the next best player available after Mickey was Anthony Brown. So would you rather have Rozier/Mickey or Portis/Brown?

No we wouldn't have all those players you listed.  We hadn't traded for Lee and we hadn't signed Johnson. 

So our bigs would have been Sully, KO, Jerekbo (even though more an oversized small), Zeller.

Bobby Portis is a natural power forward but with the small ball NBA he'd play center as well for us. 

So we could have still drafted Portis and Mickey and Hunter.  So yes I'll take Portis a starting power forward for us in the future and could be center over Rozier.

No, he's not a center. He is not a great post defender, and doesn't block many shot as well. Strictly power forward. Ainge also wouldn't have drafted 2 very similar players and it's not even a position of need for us.

Well if we didn't sign Johnson and trade for Lee it actually would be a position of need to draft two bigs, either power forwards or centers.  Specially with Zeller and Sully both on the last year of deals.  As for not a center, he's got a 6'11 frame and with the NBA showing more small ball he could very well player "center".  Not a great post defender, taking you might not have watched a lot of him play but he's a very good defender.  In college he averaged 1.5 blocks a game an 1.1 steals a game.   

[ThePoeticWolf]

Right. A stretch of 3 good games by Portis means Danny made a mistake taking Rozier over him.

Just like how because Perry Jones III scored 33 points in game once meant he was definitely part of the Celtics future.

It's official. Patience no longer exists in Boston. I'm holding my breath on Danny's draft decision until I get a larger sample size. I firmly believe though that Rozier's development will take time, which is going to be a problem with a good amount of fans because right now the mindset is,

It's not just a stretch of 3 games.  I'm talking from draft day, Rozier was a bust for the Celtics to draft.  Not saying he's a bad player but a bust as in a bad pick for the Celtics.  Portis would have made an impact on this team because of a need.  With no Johnson being signed at the point of draft, or Lee being traded for.  Rozier personally I never see being a starting player for the Celtics.  Portis had the chance to if not would be the starter for the Celtics.  Sing at the time of draft Sully and Zeller on last year of deals, KO having one more year.  Last year the Celtics drafted a starting point guard in Smart, traded for a back up point guard in Thomas.  At the shooting guard we have Bradley and Young who we drafted to be a shooting guard.  Plus the signed Turner to play the positions of 1-3.  Plus Crowder who can play the small as well as the shooting guard. 

Patience I have, but the draft of Rozier was just not a smart draft choice with needs of the Celtics.  Yes we got Mickey who will be a great addition but the last thing the Celtics needed in this past draft was a point guard who doesn't pass the ball.  Rozier average just 3 assist a game in college.  Plus the argument could be made he wasn't even the best player on his college team, Montrezl Harrell who we could have drafted was the best looking player on that team. 

[Cman]

Right. A stretch of 3 good games by Portis means Danny made a mistake taking Rozier over him.

Just like how because Perry Jones III scored 33 points in game once meant he was definitely part of the Celtics future.

It's official. Patience no longer exists in Boston. I'm holding my breath on Danny's draft decision until I get a larger sample size. I firmly believe though that Rozier's development will take time, which is going to be a problem with a good amount of fans because right now the mindset is,

I remember half this board wanted to run DA out of town for not selecting PJIII in the draft.

Sort of like how most of the football watching world wrote BB's and Tom Brady's obituary after 4 games last year.

My goal with all these things is to try to abstract away from one or two things, one or two "data points" and to try to see how things fit in some sort of bigger picture. For Ainge, with drafting, I think it is that he goes for risks, figuring that from time to time he'll strike it rich (Al Jefferson, Leon Powe, Rajon Rondo -- and here I'm factoring in where the player was drafted), knowing that there will be busts along the way. Fab Melo looms large in that category, but I get it, in terms of why Ainge drafted him. Will Terry Rozier be a bust as well? Gee, I don't know, but I'm going to give it some time.

[PhoSita]

Portis has done a little bit more than have 3 good games.  He's having an excellent rookie season for a bench guy.

[Rondo9]

Portis has done a little bit more than have 3 good games.  He's having an excellent rookie season for a bench guy.

In 11 games?

[Greyman]

this thread is revisiting a debate that has been hashed over many times. while i understand the key points, previously, other posters have made the following points in response:

first, ainge is an above average drafter. his record shows that again and again. but no one, not even san antonio, bats close to .1000.

second, let's please be patient before deciding a player is a "bust." this rush to judgement smacks of the same impatience shown about bradley's first year as a celtic. it is too early to judge on rozier, by far.

third, since only one half of the players taken in the mid range of the draft ever become nba players, labeling someone a bust is an overreaction. the most common player from that range who makes it becomes a role or bench player. which is fine.

fourth, to say ainge should have picked player X misses the point that we all have 20/20 hindsight. portis went at #22 in the draft for a number of reasons.

many GMs had questions about portis based upon scouting reports. he was seen as a bench player with a limited ceiling. too weak to fight under the boards and not a shot blocker or defensive rebounder. that is, a nice player but not someone you draft in the top 12 spots or so.

final point, it is generally agreed that nba teams should draft the bpa, not based upon immediate need. what maybe a team need at the time of the draft can change in a year or two. meaning drafting upon need leaves the team with a lesser player and no pressing need in his position. the preferred strategy is to pick the bpa. sorting out any log jams becomes a good problem to have.

Sums it up. TP

[MJohnnyboy]

Right. A stretch of 3 good games by Portis means Danny made a mistake taking Rozier over him.

Just like how because Perry Jones III scored 33 points in game once meant he was definitely part of the Celtics future.

It's official. Patience no longer exists in Boston. I'm holding my breath on Danny's draft decision until I get a larger sample size. I firmly believe though that Rozier's development will take time, which is going to be a problem with a good amount of fans because right now the mindset is,

It's not just a stretch of 3 games.  I'm talking from draft day, Rozier was a bust for the Celtics to draft.  Not saying he's a bad player but a bust as in a bad pick for the Celtics.  Portis would have made an impact on this team because of a need.  With no Johnson being signed at the point of draft, or Lee being traded for.  Rozier personally I never see being a starting player for the Celtics.  Portis had the chance to if not would be the starter for the Celtics.  Sing at the time of draft Sully and Zeller on last year of deals, KO having one more year.  Last year the Celtics drafted a starting point guard in Smart, traded for a back up point guard in Thomas.  At the shooting guard we have Bradley and Young who we drafted to be a shooting guard.  Plus the signed Turner to play the positions of 1-3.  Plus Crowder who can play the small as well as the shooting guard. 

Patience I have, but the draft of Rozier was just not a smart draft choice with needs of the Celtics.  Yes we got Mickey who will be a great addition but the last thing the Celtics needed in this past draft was a point guard who doesn't pass the ball.  Rozier average just 3 assist a game in college.  Plus the argument could be made he wasn't even the best player on his college team, Montrezl Harrell who we could have drafted was the best looking player on that team.

I remember being p---ed that Rozier was taken at #16 for the Celtics for that exact reasoning that we had enough guards in the rotation as it was, but then I thought about it, and realized that perhaps Danny didn't want to draft for need but more for drafting the guy who had the highest potential. Remember that article about Kobe and the Celtics a few days ago? Even though the Celtics were very impressed with Kobe's workout because of his potential, they took Antoine over him in 96 was because they believed Antoine was more NBA-ready than Kobe was. To be fair, they were right. Antoine had an excellent rookie season and Kobe didn't light the NBA on fire his rookie year (though he showed great potential). Of course now it's abundantly clear they screwed that up.

I'm not saying Rozier-over-Portis will work out like say Kobe-over-Antoine would have, but I think Danny's mindset was taking care of the Celtics needs in the future rather than their needs now by drafting Rozier. That to me why explains why he drafted Rozier (thought he had better upside than Portis) and went on to sign Amir Johnson and trade for David Lee (On paper they took care of the Celtics current needs as bigs) even if it meant the kid would be spending most of the season in Maine. Remember, rumor had it Houston or Chicago was going to take Rozier if he had been available after the Celtics selection (He wowed scouts at the combine). Also, Danny's had some of his duds come from drafting guys out of need like taking Fab Melo and JaJuan Johnson so perhaps he thought it was time to draft the best potential rather than the best fit. It's not like the Celtics are in "win-now" mode. They are still re-building while also trying to see how the team currently shakes out. The Celtics have picks galore coming over the next few years and have all the time in the world to decide what direction the team will go. I mean, for all we know, Rozier will get his chance to start. Thomas and Bradley might not be who the Celtics have in mind for their future backcourt, but who knows?

For all we know, Danny was completely wrong for taking Rozier over Portis, but I think we won't know that for sure for a few more years.

[Ilikesports17]

it is far too soon to judge either. You don't pick for need imo.

[chambers]

Rozier is going to be better than Portis. Rozier has All Star potential. Portis has starting PF potential.

Once the log jam clears up at our guard spots, Rozier should see some decent playing time.

I can't believe I'm reading a topic about Rozier being a bust after he's played 6 minutes a game in 16 games. lol.

You should rename this topic to: 'I loved Portis, I wish we drafted him'. Because Rozier has nothing to do with your Portis love.

You don't draft for need. You draft who you think will be the best NBA player of those available when you pick.