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Danny Ainge Missed Again - Terry Rozier
« on: January 03, 2016, 01:59:19 PM »

Offline ThePoeticWolf

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Personally drafting Terry Rozier has been a bust for us considering who we could have drafted.  Ainge decided it was a great idea to draft another point guard when we needed a big to play power forward or center.  Needless to say the one that we should have drafted has now gotten the Bulls excited.  Bobby Portis, I wanted to draft him in this draft so bad.  It's almost sickening to see how great he's playing for the Bulls when Danny Ainge didn't draft him.  Just needed to let this out. 

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« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2016, 02:06:14 PM »

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And now  theres a rumor rozier could be included in a trade for  cousins.

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2016, 02:08:06 PM »

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Come on it's early to say. He's barely played

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« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2016, 02:12:49 PM »

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Drafting Rozier was always a strange move, not because of the talent he may or may not have, but because there's really no clear path to playing time for him on this team.  Why draft a guy if he's just gonna spend a year or two in the D-League?
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Drafting Rozier was always a strange move, not because of the talent he may or may not have, but because there's really no clear path to playing time for him on this team.  Why draft a guy if he's just gonna spend a year or two in the D-League?

The same could be said if we had taken Portis
I'm bitter.

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« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2016, 02:20:15 PM »

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Not that I don't agree, but it's way too early to tell and there seems to be some reason for optimism with our other two picks.

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« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2016, 02:21:01 PM »

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Drafting Rozier was always a strange move, not because of the talent he may or may not have, but because there's really no clear path to playing time for him on this team.  Why draft a guy if he's just gonna spend a year or two in the D-League?

The same could be said if we had taken Portis

I disagree.

While we have two starting caliber guards, plus another combo guard prospect we selected at #6 last year, at the big positions we just have a jumble of backup caliber players.  The Celts could have used a potential starting caliber PF. 

Remember that they hadn't yet acquired Lee or Amir, or re-signed Jerebko, at the time that they could have drafted Portis.
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« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2016, 02:26:15 PM »

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this thread is revisiting a debate that has been hashed over many times. while i understand the key points, previously, other posters have made the following points in response:

first, ainge is an above average drafter. his record shows that again and again. but no one, not even san antonio, bats close to .1000.

second, let's please be patient before deciding a player is a "bust." this rush to judgement smacks of the same impatience shown about bradley's first year as a celtic. it is too early to judge on rozier, by far.

third, since only one half of the players taken in the mid range of the draft ever become nba players, labeling someone a bust is an overreaction. the most common player from that range who makes it becomes a role or bench player. which is fine.

fourth, to say ainge should have picked player X misses the point that we all have 20/20 hindsight. portis went at #22 in the draft for a number of reasons.

many GMs had questions about portis based upon scouting reports. he was seen as a bench player with a limited ceiling. too weak to fight under the boards and not a shot blocker or defensive rebounder. that is, a nice player but not someone you draft in the top 12 spots or so.

final point, it is generally agreed that nba teams should draft the bpa, not based upon immediate need. what maybe a team need at the time of the draft can change in a year or two. meaning drafting upon need leaves the team with a lesser player and no pressing need in his position. the preferred strategy is to pick the bpa. sorting out any log jams becomes a good problem to have.
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« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2016, 02:27:18 PM »

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Too early to tell.

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Drafting Rozier was always a strange move, not because of the talent he may or may not have, but because there's really no clear path to playing time for him on this team.  Why draft a guy if he's just gonna spend a year or two in the D-League?

The same could be said if we had taken Portis

This is true, because no matter who we had drafted we would not have played him. Ainge has this knack of drafting players and sending them to Maine.

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« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2016, 02:33:41 PM »

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I like Rozier. He was always going to have a tough learning curve after coming to the NBA due to his limited PG skills but he can defend and he can score. He has size and athleticism. And I think he'll make a high caliber scoring guard off the bench in another year or two.

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« Reply #11 on: January 03, 2016, 02:33:42 PM »

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Come on lol

The small mistake Danny has made so far is to congest.

Personally I'm OK with

Lee, sully, IT being traded.   I like IT alotbut if he can get us back a nice player make the trade. Then let smart, Rozier ,Hunter develop with the guidance of AB.

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« Reply #12 on: January 03, 2016, 02:41:18 PM »

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Not that I don't agree, but it's way too early to tell and there seems to be some reason for optimism with our other two picks.

Well the reason I say this about Rozier is we took him at 16.  With Hunter we got lucky he dropped to the spot he did.  Rozier was marked up and down the board from I believe the high of 12 to a second round pick where we got Mickey.  Also Rozier was arguably not even the best player on his team in college.  Plus the fact at this time look at last year we draft Marcus Smart and traded for Thomas.   

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« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2016, 02:43:03 PM »

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final point, it is generally agreed that nba teams should draft the bpa, not based upon immediate need. what maybe a team need at the time of the draft can change in a year or two. meaning drafting upon need leaves the team with a lesser player and no pressing need in his position. the preferred strategy is to pick the bpa. sorting out any log jams becomes a good problem to have.


This is fine and good, but you still need to develop guys.  Developing them means at some point putting them into your NBA rotation. 

It's one thing to draft the BPA even though there's an incumbent starter you like at that spot. 

It's another to draft the BPA even though there's no spot in the rotation for them, period, and there are at least three guys in the rotation now who figure to be here for at least a couple more seasons.
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« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2016, 02:45:12 PM »

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I like Rozier. He was always going to have a tough learning curve after coming to the NBA due to his limited PG skills but he can defend and he can score. He has size and athleticism. And I think he'll make a high caliber scoring guard off the bench in another year or two.

I think you're missing the point.  Rozier is a bust in the fact we took him, when we could have had a starting power forward/center in Bobby Portis.  Also size, he's only a 6'1 "point guard" who is college didn't average above 3 assist a game.  He can defend no doubt about that, his scoring is okay, but as I've said before arguably wasn't even the best player on his team in college by eye test and stats.