What would it take for you to be Pro Draft?

[Celtics18]

I am already pro draft.  There is no scenario that will make me in favor of bottoming out this season, though.

[Csfan1984]

You should work in a presidential candidate's campaign.

I have worked for lawyers so working on a presidential campaign isn't that much of a step down lol

Besides that the draft facts above is the truth. Some like to think that bottoming out for a draft in one year or three is a taboo. It's not it's how every team acquires crucial talent to win.

[littleteapot]

You should work in a presidential candidate's campaign.

I have worked for lawyers so working on a presidential campaign isn't that much of a step down lol

Besides that the draft facts above is the truth. Some like to think that bottoming out for a draft in one year or three is a taboo. It's not it's how every team acquires crucial talent to win.

So you used a euphemistic word instead of tanking, asked people to answer a poll where all the choices agreed with your argument.

I personally am not against the C's tanking on principle, but I think that all the options you gave are not nearly enough reason to blow it up given that we have young talent and assets that are getting more valuable. You obviously disagree, so you should just come out and say that right now you think we should tank instead of trying to control the message.

[Csfan1984]

You should work in a presidential candidate's campaign.

I have worked for lawyers so working on a presidential campaign isn't that much of a step down lol

Besides that the draft facts above is the truth. Some like to think that bottoming out for a draft in one year or three is a taboo. It's not it's how every team acquires crucial talent to win.

So you used a euphemistic word instead of tanking, asked people to answer a poll where all the choices agreed with your argument.

I personally am not against the C's tanking on principle, but I think that all the options you gave are not nearly enough reason to blow it up given that we have young talent and assets that are getting more valuable. You obviously disagree, so you should just come out and say that right now you think we should tank instead of trying to control the message.

Another guy getting it twisted. The question is the question. Don't focus on the "OMG we are tanking". It's a question that at what point does it take you to get to the idea that maybe we should bottom out. Each choice in the poll is if we don't do better except one ( the if you already think we should be bottoming out). This isn't a let's tank it's a when would you consider it? I for one chose a big losing streak only because that shows me we can't fight through adversity. Being close isn't so much a burden though we may get swept. For me it's about being strong willed, winning more than you lose and always being competitive.

[littleteapot]

Another guy getting it twisted. The question is the question. Don't focus on the "OMG we are tanking". It's a question that at what point does it take you to get to the idea that maybe we should bottom out. Each choice in the poll is if we don't do better except one ( the if you already think we should be bottoming out). This isn't a let's tank it's a when would you consider it? I for one chose a big losing streak only because that shows me we can't fight through adversity. Being close isn't so much a burden though we may get swept. For me it's about being strong willed, winning more than you lose and always being competitive.

The question is "since any sane person would consider tanking this year as an option, would you decide to do it if we got hurt, had a losing streak, or ended up with a bad record, or do you just want to tank right now?" Most of the people here disagree with the basis of the question. Unless the plane goes down and everyone on our roster dies I don't want to tank this year. I think tanking because guys get hurt or we lose 6 games in a row is a knee-jerk reaction that doesn't take our long-term plan into account at all.

[Csfan1984]

Another guy getting it twisted. The question is the question. Don't focus on the "OMG we are tanking". It's a question that at what point does it take you to get to the idea that maybe we should bottom out. Each choice in the poll is if we don't do better except one ( the if you already think we should be bottoming out). This isn't a let's tank it's a when would you consider it? I for one chose a big losing streak only because that shows me we can't fight through adversity. Being close isn't so much a burden though we may get swept. For me it's about being strong willed, winning more than you lose and always being competitive.

The question is "since any sane person would consider tanking this year as an option, would you decide to do it if we got hurt, had a losing streak, or ended up with a bad record, or do you just want to tank right now?" Most of the people here disagree with the basis of the question. Unless the plane goes down and everyone on our roster dies I don't want to tank this year. I think tanking because guys get hurt or we lose 6 games in a row is a knee-jerk reaction that doesn't take our long-term plan into account at all.

How are those knee jerks? You know if your top player is out most teams are done for the playoffs especially C's. You can also say if you lose that many games in a row your team isn't as good as you thought. At that point to remain idle is inviting more failure and you don't possibly capitalize on the positive side of knowing early on you are out of things.

[littleteapot]

How are those knee jerks? You know if your top player is out most teams are done for the playoffs especially C's. You can also say if you lose that many games in a row your team isn't as good as you thought. At that point to remain idle is inviting more failure and you don't possibly capitalize on the positive side of knowing early on you are out of things.

If this is your philosophy you will always be tanking and never actually let the guys you draft go through growing pains and improve, not to mention you won't be able to trade them for anything valuable.

[Csfan1984]

How are those knee jerks? You know if your top player is out most teams are done for the playoffs especially C's. You can also say if you lose that many games in a row your team isn't as good as you thought. At that point to remain idle is inviting more failure and you don't possibly capitalize on the positive side of knowing early on you are out of things.

If this is your philosophy you will always be tanking and never actually let the guys you draft go through growing pains and improve, not to mention you won't be able to trade them for anything valuable.

It's a different situation for each roster. When Big AL and company were losing games that is ok they were growing. When a majority of the guys getting PT are over 25 and you are losing a lot you have issues.

[littleteapot]

It's a different situation for each roster. When Big AL and company were losing games that is ok they were growing. When a majority of the guys getting PT are over 25 and you are losing a lot you have issues.

We aren't losing a lot and we have a young team. If you disagree you should be in favor of tanking right now. Tanking is not a "oh well we lost 6 games, let's tank" decision. It's a big decision that can set you backwards or forwards by years.

[Csfan1984]

It's a different situation for each roster. When Big AL and company were losing games that is ok they were growing. When a majority of the guys getting PT are over 25 and you are losing a lot you have issues.

We aren't losing a lot and we have a young team. If you disagree you should be in favor of tanking right now. Tanking is not a "oh well we lost 6 games, let's tank" decision. It's a big decision that can set you backwards or forwards by years.

Not that big of a set back. The roster isn't great to begin with. You trade three guys like I said IT, AB and Sully Cs are bottom 10. Those guys have value woth good return likely. C's also have decent replacements to already develop in Smart, Hunter/Young and KO/Mickey. Though you will indeed lose games because the replacements are another year or two away the turn around isn't setting you back drastically. Again I'm not for tanking just yet but I do believe that we need more in a positive or negative direction soon so we can make proper moves. C's can't be losing to scrub teams. C's as a team given the divison and BS system can't be under 44fg%. They need to keep 3 or more games over .500 and show as a team they are better than last year.

[slamtheking]

OK some call it tanking I like to call it being Pro Draft. Basically what would it take to convince you C's need to be a Pro Draft with the team this year. That is selling on any player that isn't on a rookie deal for Trade exemptions, Expiring deals, picks, or young players still on rookie deals. It doesn't have to be all our players but maybe 3 guys get moved enough to put C's in the bottom 10. IT, AB and Sully would probably have us drop badly. If you say Never just write it in a comment below. If you feel tank this year isn't needed because Nets don't play us enough to get them out of the lottery, comment that as well.

call it what you want, it's still tanking.

I voted Other --> I've no interest in tanking.  Let Brooklyn tank for us. 

No issues with making trades to improve the team.  No interest in making trades to make us worse.

[Csfan1984]

OK some call it tanking I like to call it being Pro Draft. Basically what would it take to convince you C's need to be a Pro Draft with the team this year. That is selling on any player that isn't on a rookie deal for Trade exemptions, Expiring deals, picks, or young players still on rookie deals. It doesn't have to be all our players but maybe 3 guys get moved enough to put C's in the bottom 10. IT, AB and Sully would probably have us drop badly. If you say Never just write it in a comment below. If you feel tank this year isn't needed because Nets don't play us enough to get them out of the lottery, comment that as well.

call it what you want, it's still tanking.

I voted Other --> I've no interest in tanking.  Let Brooklyn tank for us. 

No issues with making trades to improve the team.  No interest in making trades to make us worse.

What if we become the Hawks of the last 6 years?

[Celtics18]

OK some call it tanking I like to call it being Pro Draft. Basically what would it take to convince you C's need to be a Pro Draft with the team this year. That is selling on any player that isn't on a rookie deal for Trade exemptions, Expiring deals, picks, or young players still on rookie deals. It doesn't have to be all our players but maybe 3 guys get moved enough to put C's in the bottom 10. IT, AB and Sully would probably have us drop badly. If you say Never just write it in a comment below. If you feel tank this year isn't needed because Nets don't play us enough to get them out of the lottery, comment that as well.

call it what you want, it's still tanking.

I voted Other --> I've no interest in tanking.  Let Brooklyn tank for us. 

No issues with making trades to improve the team.  No interest in making trades to make us worse.

What if we become the Hawks of the last 6 years?

That's not actually possible unless the NBA world all of a sudden morphs into some kind of bizarre science fiction story.

[Csfan1984]

OK some call it tanking I like to call it being Pro Draft. Basically what would it take to convince you C's need to be a Pro Draft with the team this year. That is selling on any player that isn't on a rookie deal for Trade exemptions, Expiring deals, picks, or young players still on rookie deals. It doesn't have to be all our players but maybe 3 guys get moved enough to put C's in the bottom 10. IT, AB and Sully would probably have us drop badly. If you say Never just write it in a comment below. If you feel tank this year isn't needed because Nets don't play us enough to get them out of the lottery, comment that as well.

call it what you want, it's still tanking.

I voted Other --> I've no interest in tanking.  Let Brooklyn tank for us. 

No issues with making trades to improve the team.  No interest in making trades to make us worse.

What if we become the Hawks of the last 6 years?

That's not actually possible unless the NBA world all of a sudden morphs into some kind of bizarre science fiction story.

I hope not too, but if Nets played us more it that pick could be in the teens. The point is would no man's land 4-6 seed with early exits for multiple years possibly be a good scenario? If team never gets a top player that maybe the best case scenario. I laid out the draft and championship factoids about needing high picks.

[flybono]

Look, at some point Ainge or Ownership has to sign a legit Free Agent. Even if its a second tier player. Overpay if they have to. I understand Team chemistry, does the Player fit a system, is he a good guy and all the bull involved.
In the end gambles need to be made.

Last Year Monroe was available as was Millsap. I can understand Millsap staying with the Hawks, but Monroe is a C at age 25. He wasn't worth a shot at 3yrs 50 million?

I don't want to hear Cap this Cap that. Over pay if you have to and just like Cleveland did to get James be creative with the roster and Cap..