If No One Bites Danny got some 'splainin to do

[GreenWarrior]

these next couple yr's are make or break for Danny imo.

everyone knows we can't keep 'em all....everyone! by that I mean if we all know we can't keep all these picks, then every GM must know and that imo puts us at a disadvantage in negotiations. if I'm a GM negotiating with Danny why wouldn't I give anything but low-ball offers?

with all that said if it comes down to draft day and nothing significant has occurred does Danny end up having to settle for trades that involve future 2nd rnd picks? or do we end up using the picks and sending 'em over seas?

Imo if it comes down to draft day and we still have all these picks then the plan is/was a failure and hate to say it but Danny should probably be let go.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So your analysis is this:

Let's ignore all future draft picks we still have at our disposal. Trading for draft picks is worthless.

Got it.

[littleteapot]

Building a contender is a combination of making good decisions and getting lucky. We just has to keep doing the first thing and hopefully the second thing comes our way.

[Alleyoopster]

So your analysis is this:

Let's ignore all future draft picks we still have at our disposal. Trading for draft picks is worthless.

Got it.

He's not saying that....He's saying that if Danny has all those draft picks on draft day he would be at a disadvantage in trading them. He would likely get low-ball offers. This sounds reasonable. He also wonders what would become of those second round picks? send them overseas, trade for more 2nd rounders?
We got stuck with all three first rounders this year because GM's weren't willing to trade for what Danny thought were reasonable offers. This is a real possibility for next year as well.

As for letting Danny being let go because of this happening is more than extreme because he has the 1st pick from Nets this year and the choice of switching places next year, plus Dallas' future first. Any other first rounders I'm missing?

[droopdog7]

I imagine what happens with the picks is something most fans have not considered.  Believe me, DA knows what he is doing.  And it will all work out in the end.

[Celtics4ever]

these next couple yr's are make or break for Danny imo.

Leading us to a championship made him.  This could break him but he has been made for a few years.

[Redz]

Without punctuation, I thought this was a Tree Rollins thread.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So your analysis is this:

Let's ignore all future draft picks we still have at our disposal. Trading for draft picks is worthless.

Got it.

He's not saying that....He's saying that if Danny has all those draft picks on draft day he would be at a disadvantage in trading them. He would likely get low-ball offers. This sounds reasonable. He also wonders what would become of those second round picks? send them overseas, trade for more 2nd rounders?
We got stuck with all three first rounders this year because GM's weren't willing to trade for what Danny thought were reasonable offers. This is a real possibility for next year as well.

As for letting Danny being let go because of this happening is more than extreme because he has the 1st pick from Nets this year and the choice of switching places next year, plus Dallas' future first. Any other first rounders I'm missing?

I know what he's saying, but he's couching it within the frames of "if Ainge doesn't get a trade happening with these picks [take it to mean a partner who's willing to give value] then Ainge should be let go because he failed".

So you can easily extrapolate from that having an abundance of picks is of no use, and if Ainge doesn't cash in by this year's draft, then he's failed as well... let's give him the boot. And that's just a terrible way at looking at things, particularly when you consider that most of the draft picks we have acquired can be considered the cherry on top because we have already gained other assets that have been of use/value to us in those trades as it is.

As for future 1st rounders:

2017 switch with Brooklyn
2018 from Brooklyn
2018 from Memphis (and their wheels may be falling off soon if they're not careful)

Then I ask, is Boston forced to receive Dallas' 1st round pick if it doesn't fall in the protected range this year? Or do they have the choice of waiting until it's most convenient to them up until 2021? Not that it'd change my opinion at all, but it'd be good to know.

The other 2016 pick we have (Minnesota's) was when we traded Brandan Wright... yeah, I'm not going to lose any sleep over this.

So... looking at this purely from a what trades Ainge manages with all these picks, with little thought on other aspects of what was gained through the trades which netted us these picks, and without much consideration of other future picks we have, then I think the whole notion a bit silly.

[chambers]

Building a contender is a combination of making good decisions and getting lucky. We just has to keep doing the first thing and hopefully the second thing comes our way.

Well said. TP

[BitterJim]

Sure, GMs knowing that you have to trade someone/something always means that you have to trade it for pennies on the dollar, that's why the Wolves got shafted in the Love trade

In a vacuum, a team could low ball Danny in trades involving our picks.  But come draft night, if they really want to take a guy with Danny's pick, they'll offer him just as much as they will the team's just in front of and just behind us.  And if a couple of teams want the pick, the teams will give more than fair value in a trade.

I get that we can't use all the picks, but the issue is really overstated, especially since most of the mid-to-late 2nds will probably never play a single NBA minute (and will be picks like Colton Iverson and Marcus Thornton who will play overseas next year, and probably for their entire careers)

[Ilikesports17]

Sure, GMs knowing that you have to trade someone/something always means that you have to trade it for pennies on the dollar, that's why the Wolves got shafted in the Love trade

In a vacuum, a team could low ball Danny in trades involving our picks.  But come draft night, if they really want to take a guy with Danny's pick, they'll offer him just as much as they will the team's just in front of and just behind us.  And if a couple of teams want the pick, the teams will give more than fair value in a trade.

I get that we can't use all the picks, but the issue is really overstated, especially since most of the mid-to-late 2nds will probably never play a single NBA minute (and will be picks like Colton Iverson and Marcus Thornton who will play overseas next year, and probably for their entire careers)

The Love trade was kinda unique because the Cavs were under just as much pressure to trade for love as the wolves were under pressure to trade love.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Sure, GMs knowing that you have to trade someone/something always means that you have to trade it for pennies on the dollar, that's why the Wolves got shafted in the Love trade

In a vacuum, a team could low ball Danny in trades involving our picks.  But come draft night, if they really want to take a guy with Danny's pick, they'll offer him just as much as they will the team's just in front of and just behind us.  And if a couple of teams want the pick, the teams will give more than fair value in a trade.

I get that we can't use all the picks, but the issue is really overstated, especially since most of the mid-to-late 2nds will probably never play a single NBA minute (and will be picks like Colton Iverson and Marcus Thornton who will play overseas next year, and probably for their entire careers)

What's little being talked about, but the one pick I'm really salivating over is the 2016 2nd round pick from Philadelphia.

[BitterJim]

Sure, GMs knowing that you have to trade someone/something always means that you have to trade it for pennies on the dollar, that's why the Wolves got shafted in the Love trade

In a vacuum, a team could low ball Danny in trades involving our picks.  But come draft night, if they really want to take a guy with Danny's pick, they'll offer him just as much as they will the team's just in front of and just behind us.  And if a couple of teams want the pick, the teams will give more than fair value in a trade.

I get that we can't use all the picks, but the issue is really overstated, especially since most of the mid-to-late 2nds will probably never play a single NBA minute (and will be picks like Colton Iverson and Marcus Thornton who will play overseas next year, and probably for their entire careers)

The Love trade was kinda unique because the Cavs were under just as much pressure to trade for love as the wolves were under pressure to trade love.

There's similar pressure on GMs to trade up in a draft (ex: Danny last year, Bulls in 2014), and I wouldn't call it that unique, the interest from the Warriors made it a bit of a bidding war (and the Wolves did a great job of playing them against each other)

Actually, the Bulls in 2014 are a good parallel to us this year: everyone knew that they had to consolidate picks to keep a Max salary slot open, but that didn't make them settle for pennies on the dollar

[BballTim]

these next couple yr's are make or break for Danny imo.

everyone knows we can't keep 'em all....everyone! by that I mean if we all know we can't keep all these picks, then every GM must know and that imo puts us at a disadvantage in negotiations. if I'm a GM negotiating with Danny why wouldn't I give anything but low-ball offers?

  That basically assumes you're the only team in the league that wants what Danny's trying to trade and you don't have to outbid anyone else.

[nickagneta]

There are probably only one or two GMs that have as secure of a job as Danny Ainge. Will Danny makes trades and use second round picks as sweeteners in them? Sure, because most second round picks are worthless.

As for the first round picks, the Brooklyn picks are gold, extremely valuable assets. He could draft potential superstars with them or trade them in a package for a superstar.

But to think that if any of those trades are not completed by draft day when Ainge has to make use of this years picks or he has failed is hasty and shortsighted. Building a contender is a long term endeavor. Years like 2007-08 just don't happen in the NBA. That was a combination of the perfect storm coming together: smart drafting, excellent, player development, disgruntled stars becoming available, Danny making the trades and Doc creating an atmosphere where all those transactions could come together and excel immediately. This rebuild will not happen that way.

So have patience and trust in Ainge's plan. It will come together. Just give it time.