turner should be kept

[chilidawg]

FWIW, Turner has the worst RPM of any of the regulars.  IT, Crowder, sullinger, Olynyk and Johnson have all been very good, Bradley, Lee average ish, and Turner just plain bad.  The bref advanced stats paint a similar picture. 

I don't get to see a lot of games, but Turner has looked at least decent to my eye.

[rollie mass]

celticpride TP-loved your post and thanks for compliment--i have one attachment rj but this team plays better than its parts
rozier i haven't warmed to yet,mudiay,d'angelo russell he's not
i don't think we have a point guard outside isaiah-
the goal for danny a world championship nothing else
 i'm glad i love good basketball with hardnosed defence,passing and making the right play
back to turner-rozier isn't readsy,rj is being brought along and marcus still needs help
if isaiah goes down turner is critical
keep posting

[BudweiserCeltic]

turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate

I agree. I am a fan.

In addition to your positive points about ET, I'll add a few more.

His pull-up jumper in the paint and on the baseline is money.

He can finish.

He is a better than average FT shooter and especially makes them when he needs to at the end of games.

He is not afraid at all to take the final shot.

He plays much better D than many on here give him credit for. Scal was singing the praises of ET's defensive versatility in the post-game the other night.

I think that many on here didn't like his game and him before he got here and never gave him a chance.

They saw that he got into a fight in Indiana and disliked him for that....didn't fit the Celtic mold. Well, his fight was with that pillar of integrity and decency, Sir Lance and ET was defending a teammate being verbally pummeled by Sir Lane in a pre-playoff game practice.

He was mis-used in Indiana. He was literally put in a corner and made to play completely off the ball. Of course his numbers sucked...and he didn't stand a chance in Indiana, replacing team leader and Paul George mentor, Danny Granger. That team was dysfunctional, and NOT because of ET.

And when he left there and came here, I saw at least two interviews where he was asked about the situation in Indiana. Prodded to answer...he never took the bait. He said positive things about the coach, the team and his teammates there and didn't bang anyone around..and he easily, justifiably could have. That showed me character. So, yah, I am a fan. The kid has stones, and he's a standup. 

Does he make boneheaded, aggravating plays? Absolutely. But, as many have opined, his positives far outweigh his negatives. His teammates like him, CBS obviously likes him and there aren't many back-up ball-handlers in the league that I would rather have over him.

ET is an absolute bargain at $3.4mil. I hope we re-sign him.

Great post... TP. Turner is a keeper and I do not believe he has hit his ceiling. With a coach that believes in him his confidence will continue to grow. What the fans do not consider is most of the Celtics players will benefit tremendously with the infusion of superstar(s) that command double teams. Once we get that type of star players like ET who are operating without will benefit tremendously.

Hasn't reached his ceiling and will benefit substantially from a star player...excellent points...TP.

Just the contrary. At least with him history has shown that he needs the ball in his hands to play at any level of effectiveness. A star would do just the opposite for him.

[Who]

Evan Turner would be an excellent multi-purpose role player if he could just that lose that scorer's mentality. Miscast as a scorer. Not efficient enough. Not consistent enough (at highest levels). Unfortunately, Turner continues to fight that and continues to try and be a star. That is his downfall and top teams will continue to overlook him because of this.

[csfansince60s]

turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate

I agree. I am a fan.

In addition to your positive points about ET, I'll add a few more.

His pull-up jumper in the paint and on the baseline is money.

He can finish.

He is a better than average FT shooter and especially makes them when he needs to at the end of games.

He is not afraid at all to take the final shot.

He plays much better D than many on here give him credit for. Scal was singing the praises of ET's defensive versatility in the post-game the other night.

I think that many on here didn't like his game and him before he got here and never gave him a chance.

They saw that he got into a fight in Indiana and disliked him for that....didn't fit the Celtic mold. Well, his fight was with that pillar of integrity and decency, Sir Lance and ET was defending a teammate being verbally pummeled by Sir Lane in a pre-playoff game practice.

He was mis-used in Indiana. He was literally put in a corner and made to play completely off the ball. Of course his numbers sucked...and he didn't stand a chance in Indiana, replacing team leader and Paul George mentor, Danny Granger. That team was dysfunctional, and NOT because of ET.

And when he left there and came here, I saw at least two interviews where he was asked about the situation in Indiana. Prodded to answer...he never took the bait. He said positive things about the coach, the team and his teammates there and didn't bang anyone around..and he easily, justifiably could have. That showed me character. So, yah, I am a fan. The kid has stones, and he's a standup. 

Does he make boneheaded, aggravating plays? Absolutely. But, as many have opined, his positives far outweigh his negatives. His teammates like him, CBS obviously likes him and there aren't many back-up ball-handlers in the league that I would rather have over him.

ET is an absolute bargain at $3.4mil. I hope we re-sign him.

Great post... TP. Turner is a keeper and I do not believe he has hit his ceiling. With a coach that believes in him his confidence will continue to grow. What the fans do not consider is most of the Celtics players will benefit tremendously with the infusion of superstar(s) that command double teams. Once we get that type of star players like ET who are operating without will benefit tremendously.

Hasn't reached his ceiling and will benefit substantially from a star player...excellent points...TP.

Just the contrary. At least with him history has shown that he needs the ball in his hands to play at any level of effectiveness. A star would do just the opposite for him.

Not necessarily, especially if that star is a big.

Boogie would help ET's game tremendously. So would Gasol.

Now if we're talking Melo or Harden, maybe not as much.

[PhoSita]

Turners role on the Celts is basically to function as a big backup point guard. He's a decent option in that role but his inability to shoot makes it hard for him to work well off the ball.

He's a good value given his contract but the Celts could do better. Frankly the playing time should be used on guys who might fit here long term like Hunter, Young, or Rozier.

[feckless]

Turners role on the Celts is basically to function as a big backup point guard. He's a decent option in that role but his inability to shoot makes it hard for him to work well off the ball.

He's a good value given his contract but the Celts could do better. Frankly the playing time should be used on guys who might fit here long term like Hunter, Young, or Rozier.

Most who watch Evan Turner and  especially, Tommy Heinsohn, consider him a near automatic mid-range shooter and a strong finisher at the rim.  By inability to shoot you are referring only to his poor 3 point shooting.  I agree  he is a poor 3 point shooter.  Kind of a spin on your part, leaving out a significant part of what you mean. 

Turner's playing time given to RJ, James or Terry would reduce our number of wins significantly.  Maybe Rozier will grow into that role but it is a tough position too learn at this level and even Rondo needed a period to grow.  I am curious as to where you think we could find a better back-up point, and at what cost.  Keep in mind that Turner guards 3 positions with some success.

One of the things that makes this team work is the number of options Brad has at each position --Turner's 3 position versatility, similar to Shawn Livingston as someone else mentioned, provides a lot of different options for the coach.

[ssspence]

Like Bass, the kid has limited talent.

Don't think this is really true. For staters, he's one of very few Celtics who can create his own shot, and get to the tin.

Put another way, if Turner could shoot the 3, what would be be 'bad' at?

I'm not a big Turner fan -- his turnovers and lapses bug me. But his value at less than $4mil on a vet contract is pretty exceptional.

Why do you think no team in the league would give him over $3,351,755?

That's really of no importance.  Why does David Lee make $15mil? Is he better than Turner?

[rollie mass]

Turners role on the Celts is basically to function as a big backup point guard. He's a decent option in that role but his inability to shoot makes it hard for him to work well off the ball.

He's a good value given his contract but the Celts could do better. Frankly the playing time should be used on guys who might fit here long term like Hunter, Young, or Rozier.

Most who watch Evan Turner and  especially, Tommy Heinsohn, consider him a near automatic mid-range shooter and a strong finisher at the rim.  By inability to shoot you are referring only to his poor 3 point shooting.  I agree  he is a poor 3 point shooter.  Kind of a spin on your part, leaving out a significant part of what you mean. 

Turner's playing time given to RJ, James or Terry would reduce our number of wins significantly.  Maybe Rozier will grow into that role but it is a tough position too learn at this level and even Rondo needed a period to grow.  I am curious as to where you think we could find a better back-up point, and at what cost.  Keep in mind that Turner guards 3 positions with some success.

One of the things that makes this team work is the number of options Brad has at each position --Turner's 3 position versatility, similar to Shawn Livingston as someone else mentioned, provides a lot of different options for the coach.

tp-cost effective ,multiple positions,gets in paint ,rebounds,hits foul shots ,nice mid range game ,finishes and is clutch-agood teamate,durable and can get to basket in playoff basketball and plays d all season-in prime
and posters bring up his value ater indiana and the illusion jhe can't shoot just because of his 3 pointer

[GreenWarrior]

Turners role on the Celts is basically to function as a big backup point guard. He's a decent option in that role but his inability to shoot makes it hard for him to work well off the ball.

He's a good value given his contract but the Celts could do better. Frankly the playing time should be used on guys who might fit here long term like Hunter, Young, or Rozier.

Most who watch Evan Turner and  especially, Tommy Heinsohn, consider him a near automatic mid-range shooter and a strong finisher at the rim.  By inability to shoot you are referring only to his poor 3 point shooting.  I agree  he is a poor 3 point shooter.  Kind of a spin on your part, leaving out a significant part of what you mean. 

ya know, I hear Gorman refer to Turner's mid-range shot as automatic a lot. yet it feels like he's only made that shot like twice this yr. 

[Chief]

Evan Turner would be an excellent multi-purpose role player if he could just that lose that scorer's mentality. Miscast as a scorer. Not efficient enough. Not consistent enough (at highest levels). Unfortunately, Turner continues to fight that and continues to try and be a star. That is his downfall and top teams will continue to overlook him because of this.

Tp!

[BudweiserCeltic]

Turners role on the Celts is basically to function as a big backup point guard. He's a decent option in that role but his inability to shoot makes it hard for him to work well off the ball.

He's a good value given his contract but the Celts could do better. Frankly the playing time should be used on guys who might fit here long term like Hunter, Young, or Rozier.

Most who watch Evan Turner and  especially, Tommy Heinsohn, consider him a near automatic mid-range shooter and a strong finisher at the rim.  By inability to shoot you are referring only to his poor 3 point shooting.  I agree  he is a poor 3 point shooter.  Kind of a spin on your part, leaving out a significant part of what you mean. 

Turner's playing time given to RJ, James or Terry would reduce our number of wins significantly.  Maybe Rozier will grow into that role but it is a tough position too learn at this level and even Rondo needed a period to grow.  I am curious as to where you think we could find a better back-up point, and at what cost.  Keep in mind that Turner guards 3 positions with some success.

One of the things that makes this team work is the number of options Brad has at each position --Turner's 3 position versatility, similar to Shawn Livingston as someone else mentioned, provides a lot of different options for the coach.

Yay! Tommy considers Turner Mr. Automatic from the mid-range.

So I guess the question is, should 36% from the mid-range be considered automatic?

I'll wait for your thoughts.


Anyways...


I think people who are still supporting Turner are reliving what he showed during the last month, month and half or so of last season in which his offense was probably at the best of his career. Problem is that this season, at least so far, he hasn't been even close to it.

This year he's been quite bad for us. The ONLY saving grace he has is that he's been better than the alternative of what we have currently in the roster. Take that to mean a ball-handler off the bench.

Other than that, he's been quite poor for us this season.

[Jon]

I suppose at another team friendly deal, keeping Turner around isn't a bad thing. But assuming that Smart, IT, Bradley, and Crowder are all locks to stay in the rotation and that we'd like to get Rozier and Hunter (not to mention some of the guys we may draft this year) minutes, I'm not sure what Turner's long term future is with this team.

That said, a lot of that depth chart could change with a big deal at the deadline or this summer, so time will tell.

[otherdave]

Should Evan be brought back next year?  Depends on what the C's other options are.  Also I think a lot depends on if the two sides can agree to terms:  how much for how long.  Like all players he has his pluses and minuses.  Others have said best option now, hopefully better options going forward.  I agree but like the idea of keeping him just a little bit longer as insurance in a much reduced role while others develop.  I would love a Jonas type contract offer: 5 million for next year, team option for 5 mil the following year, i.e. low cost, short term.  Not sure Evan would go for this.  I have no idea what his market value is league wide.  Would he be open to going to a horrible team for more $ and more years?  Who we draft and what (if any) free agents we sign will affect our desire to retain him.  It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.

[feckless]

Turners role on the Celts is basically to function as a big backup point guard. He's a decent option in that role but his inability to shoot makes it hard for him to work well off the ball.

He's a good value given his contract but the Celts could do better. Frankly the playing time should be used on guys who might fit here long term like Hunter, Young, or Rozier.

Most who watch Evan Turner and  especially, Tommy Heinsohn, consider him a near automatic mid-range shooter and a strong finisher at the rim.  By inability to shoot you are referring only to his poor 3 point shooting.  I agree  he is a poor 3 point shooter.  Kind of a spin on your part, leaving out a significant part of what you mean. 

ya know, I hear Gorman refer to Turner's mid-range shot as automatic a lot. yet it feels like he's only made that shot like twice this yr.

Usually when Gorman refers to something a lot that is because it has just happened and if he is saying it a lot that means it is happening a lot.  I do not know the statistics but he is very consistent pulling up in the 15 foot range.