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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2015, 11:28:31 PM »

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Like Bass, the kid has limited talent. Every once in awhile, he'll have a good game. That's nothing unusual for an NBA player who gets regular minutes. Heck, I once saw Acie Earl score 40 against the Celtics. It didn't make me regret him not being a Celtic anymore.

The problem with this type of player is they are just good enough to get playing time which restricts the development of the younger players. The backup pg minutes should go to Rozier and the sf minutes should go to RJ or Young.

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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2016, 07:57:22 AM »

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are you guys so blinded
it's simple,think isaiah gets injured
who steps up-not avery
                      not rozier not close yet
                      not marcus yet
turner has ability to get in paint score in a number of ways ,draws fouls and is decent passer
also takes pressure well bringing ball up-with lapses
clutch time attitude
rebounds well
creates mis matches
good mid range game
you guys want to trade him,brad doesn't
isn't this the type of in prime vet you want-versatile first team 2nd team player

Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2016, 08:24:42 AM »

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Like Bass, the kid has limited talent.

Don't think this is really true. For staters, he's one of very few Celtics who can create his own shot, and get to the tin.

Put another way, if Turner could shoot the 3, what would be be 'bad' at?

I'm not a big Turner fan -- his turnovers and lapses bug me. But his value at less than $4mil on a vet contract is pretty exceptional.
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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2016, 10:43:22 AM »

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Like Bass, the kid has limited talent.

Don't think this is really true. For staters, he's one of very few Celtics who can create his own shot, and get to the tin.

Put another way, if Turner could shoot the 3, what would be be 'bad' at?

I'm not a big Turner fan -- his turnovers and lapses bug me. But his value at less than $4mil on a vet contract is pretty exceptional.

Why do you think no team in the league would give him over $3,351,755?
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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #19 on: January 01, 2016, 10:58:12 AM »

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I think the only reason to get rid of this guy is if there is not a drastic improvement available. otherwise everything he can do is unique to what everyone else on the team can do...that makes him valuable to us.

vs the cavs last yr. he showed his value...he was the only guy on the roster that could find his shot and pretty much the only one that could get his shot off. again, there are much better guys out there that can do this if we can get 'em, but if we can't then letting ET walk makes this team a whole lot easier to defend.

I gotta admit I've never liked Turner, his shot is horribly ugly and in most cases looks like an afterthought. but I think i'm coming around on this guy. the way they've been using him as the "go-to-guy" in the last few games final mins. has been perfect


Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2016, 11:22:26 AM »

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I think the only reason to get rid of this guy is if there is not a drastic improvement available. otherwise everything he can do is unique to what everyone else on the team can do...that makes him valuable to us.

vs the cavs last yr. he showed his value...he was the only guy on the roster that could find his shot and pretty much the only one that could get his shot off. again, there are much better guys out there that can do this if we can get 'em, but if we can't then letting ET walk makes this team a whole lot easier to defend.

I gotta admit I've never liked Turner, his shot is horribly ugly and in most cases looks like an afterthought. but I think i'm coming around on this guy. the way they've been using him as the "go-to-guy" in the last few games final mins. has been perfect
He has been terrific. He is perfect bench player he can set guys up and he can get a shot as the shot clock winds down. He is a glad to be a Celtic. I think he will take a little less to stay here. He also seems to be coming in to his own. I am proud of the progress of all our guys, Danny found a gem for cheap.
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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2016, 11:50:24 AM »

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who stepped up when marcus was a rookie and rondo gone and avery could'nt do it,who was there when marcus got injured last year,when kelly was injured ,when isaiah got injured,when sully got injured-the one constant turner-he played d,he rebounded and scored in clutch,made foul shots
and again this year when marcus was out for 17games it was turner again rebounding ,scoring and playing d--why not ask brad how turner has been -he has exceeded expectations

he can overdribble ,put it around his back in paint but the next time it works and he scores 10 straight,or get hot with his jumper-give the guy some credit

Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2016, 12:10:46 PM »

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turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate

I agree. I am a fan.

In addition to your positive points about ET, I'll add a few more.

His pull-up jumper in the paint and on the baseline is money.

He can finish.

He is a better than average FT shooter and especially makes them when he needs to at the end of games.

He is not afraid at all to take the final shot.

He plays much better D than many on here give him credit for. Scal was singing the praises of ET's defensive versatility in the post-game the other night.

I think that many on here didn't like his game and him before he got here and never gave him a chance.

They saw that he got into a fight in Indiana and disliked him for that....didn't fit the Celtic mold. Well, his fight was with that pillar of integrity and decency, Sir Lance and ET was defending a teammate being verbally pummeled by Sir Lane in a pre-playoff game practice.

He was mis-used in Indiana. He was literally put in a corner and made to play completely off the ball. Of course his numbers sucked...and he didn't stand a chance in Indiana, replacing team leader and Paul George mentor, Danny Granger. That team was dysfunctional, and NOT because of ET.

And when he left there and came here, I saw at least two interviews where he was asked about the situation in Indiana. Prodded to answer...he never took the bait. He said positive things about the coach, the team and his teammates there and didn't bang anyone around..and he easily, justifiably could have. That showed me character. So, yah, I am a fan. The kid has stones, and he's a standup. 

Does he make boneheaded, aggravating plays? Absolutely. But, as many have opined, his positives far outweigh his negatives. His teammates like him, CBS obviously likes him and there aren't many back-up ball-handlers in the league that I would rather have over him.

ET is an absolute bargain at $3.4mil. I hope we re-sign him.

Great post... TP. Turner is a keeper and I do not believe he has hit his ceiling. With a coach that believes in him his confidence will continue to grow. What the fans do not consider is most of the Celtics players will benefit tremendously with the infusion of superstar(s) that command double teams. Once we get that type of star players like ET who are operating without will benefit tremendously.

Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2016, 01:05:57 PM »

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turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate

No.

Ball hog, kills ball movement, and could not shoot a 3 if you held a gun to his face.

Yes he works hard and has improved, but hes not worth re-signing.

Evan Turner is only a ball hog if you don't acknowledge that he is a point guard.  I see him, and Brad, and Tommy see him as a point guard--not a point forward but a lead point guard.  When he and Isaiah are in the game together --Stevens has Turner run the offense because he is the more natural pass and set-up player.  --the Livingston comparison is appropriate.
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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2016, 01:13:43 PM »

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who stepped up when marcus was a rookie and rondo gone and avery could'nt do it,who was there when marcus got injured last year,when kelly was injured ,when isaiah got injured,when sully got injured-the one constant turner-he played d,he rebounded and scored in clutch,made foul shots
and again this year when marcus was out for 17games it was turner again rebounding ,scoring and playing d--why not ask brad how turner has been -he has exceeded expectations

he can overdribble ,put it around his back in paint but the next time it works and he scores 10 straight,or get hot with his jumper-give the guy some credit

Yes, exactly.
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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2016, 01:29:40 PM »

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are you guys so blinded
it's simple,think isaiah gets injured
who steps up-not avery
                      not rozier not close yet
                      not marcus yet
turner has ability to get in paint score in a number of ways ,draws fouls and is decent passer
also takes pressure well bringing ball up-with lapses
clutch time attitude
rebounds well
creates mis matches
good mid range game
you guys want to trade him,brad doesn't
isn't this the type of in prime vet you want-versatile first team 2nd team player

You are best poster on the forum, but I disagree with your support for Evan Turner. I do agree he is a necessity with the current roster or at least until Smart and Rozier prove they can handle point guard.

Turner doesn't fit into the egalitarian vision of Brad Stevens. He is too much of a ball hog and slows us down.

However, Brad is not the one buying the groceries. He can only cook up game strategies based on the players Danny gets.

I agree we need Evan Turner. I also believe he is no good for the team's future. Crowder has proven himself as an NBA quality starting small forward. Turner is okay and much better than he was after playing for Philly and Indiana. It's also true that as Celtics fans, it would be very wrong to wish for anyone to fail, including those players in our personal dog houses.

I want to see Turner included in a trade that brings us back a more traditional point guard who could quickly learn Brad's playbook.

Jordan Crawford was also a necessary player a couple years ago. He won Conference player of the week or month. I forget which.

It's the same kind of scenario, imho, and this also applies to Sully and Lee. In the present, we need them to compete for wins and playoff seeding. Other than that, they are square pegs being jammed into round holes.

I don't think we need Lee. I think the David Lee situation is very awkward. I don't understand why Zeller is in Brad's doghouse. Maybe he isn't. Maybe Zeller is the kind of player being phased out of today's NBA. Yet, Tyler fits perfectly for a running game. I don't see much point in playing David Lee. Too bad he and Amir couldn't swap feet. Then this wouldn't be an issue. And too bad Sullinger can't lose weight and be in shape just like his teammates.

In a way, it is interesting to follow what both Stevens and Ainge do. They are obviously in close communication.

Danny is in an ongoing battle to spruce the roster.

You get rid of one piece of deadwood and another one replaces it. Crawford to Turner. Wallace to Lee.

Maybe Danny should stop worrying about losing "assets" for nothing in return. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if somehow Sully and Turner aren't resigned and we get next to nothing in those sign and trade deals.

There isn't a young, serviceable pg out there not short like Phil Pressey?

I don't like Turner. He has that high dribble. Like Crawford, he is helping us win games. I agree with that. I simply don't feel that he fits into the long-term roster future.

Nonetheless, the clock is ticking in real time. It is now or never for players such as Turner and Sullinger if they are going to survive the trading deadline or still be on the team for next year.

Turner needs to up his game. He needs to make his teammates better. He needs to prove people like me wrong. Same as Sullinger who started out strong and looked like a keeper, but then again, he still looks overweight and lacks stamina.

I liked a Sully block. I forget if it was in the Lakers game or the one before. He was fast and caught up to a guy from behind. But he can't do that except for little spurts.

Tough decisions need to be made. I wouldn't develop any strong bonds to Evan and Jared. That's my advice. I could be wrong.

Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2016, 01:43:40 PM »

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Right now the Celtics need Turner because he is the second ball handler the team has.

The problem with him being the second ball handler on the team is that when he is running the point, the offense usually is him pounding the ball into the ground for a bit then driving to the hoop or one pass then a shot. When Thomas runs the point the team is more likely to spray the ball around the perimeter before finding an easy shot.

Turner is the best option we got right now, by a mile for the back up pg spot. However, I'm hoping we don't need to keep him next year because we find a better option.
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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2016, 02:21:53 PM »

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I wish Turner played aggressive all of the time.   When he attacks the bucket he is decent.

On this I agree... but I'm skeptical about a game in which he finally attacked aggressively a team with no interior defense at all. I'd like to see him do more of that against stronger defensive teams.

I actually think the Turner is the only guy on the entire roster who can play his game and get his shot against the strongest defensive teams.  People forget that he is 6'8" and has the handle of a point guard.

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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2016, 02:25:55 PM »

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turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate

I agree. I am a fan.

In addition to your positive points about ET, I'll add a few more.

His pull-up jumper in the paint and on the baseline is money.

He can finish.

He is a better than average FT shooter and especially makes them when he needs to at the end of games.

He is not afraid at all to take the final shot.

He plays much better D than many on here give him credit for. Scal was singing the praises of ET's defensive versatility in the post-game the other night.

I think that many on here didn't like his game and him before he got here and never gave him a chance.

They saw that he got into a fight in Indiana and disliked him for that....didn't fit the Celtic mold. Well, his fight was with that pillar of integrity and decency, Sir Lance and ET was defending a teammate being verbally pummeled by Sir Lane in a pre-playoff game practice.

He was mis-used in Indiana. He was literally put in a corner and made to play completely off the ball. Of course his numbers sucked...and he didn't stand a chance in Indiana, replacing team leader and Paul George mentor, Danny Granger. That team was dysfunctional, and NOT because of ET.

And when he left there and came here, I saw at least two interviews where he was asked about the situation in Indiana. Prodded to answer...he never took the bait. He said positive things about the coach, the team and his teammates there and didn't bang anyone around..and he easily, justifiably could have. That showed me character. So, yah, I am a fan. The kid has stones, and he's a standup. 

Does he make boneheaded, aggravating plays? Absolutely. But, as many have opined, his positives far outweigh his negatives. His teammates like him, CBS obviously likes him and there aren't many back-up ball-handlers in the league that I would rather have over him.

ET is an absolute bargain at $3.4mil. I hope we re-sign him.

Great post... TP. Turner is a keeper and I do not believe he has hit his ceiling. With a coach that believes in him his confidence will continue to grow. What the fans do not consider is most of the Celtics players will benefit tremendously with the infusion of superstar(s) that command double teams. Once we get that type of star players like ET who are operating without will benefit tremendously.

Hasn't reached his ceiling and will benefit substantially from a star player...excellent points...TP.

Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2016, 03:42:03 PM »

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Glad to see the support for Turner.  If you just read game threads you'd think there was almost nothing but hate here for him.   

ET has really raised his value the last 2 years. I'd bet there are a number of teams who'd love to pick up a guy with his versatility at the deadline.  He brings way more to the table than Bass.  A better former Celtics comparison -- he brings a lot more to the table than Tony Allen.  When he plays level-headed and limits the fancy dribbles, ET is high value to this team.  Even with his boneheaded over-dribbling and occasional overzealous passing, the ET balance sheet is usually positive.  A bargain right now.