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turner should be kept
« on: December 31, 2015, 02:47:35 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate


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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2015, 02:49:45 PM »

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turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate

No.

Ball hog, kills ball movement, and could not shoot a 3 if you held a gun to his face.

Yes he works hard and has improved, but hes not worth re-signing.
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Re: turner should be kept
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2015, 03:04:26 PM »

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I tend to defend ET in the game threads, but I do have mixed feelings.  I think he gets unjustly abused here.   Turner is a "cost-benefit" player -- you have to accept that the rate return on the benefits he gives you makes up for the poor play costs.  I think you receive more than you lose with Turner.  Obviously others disagree.   

That said, ET probably has a more prominant of a role on the current team than is optimal.   I do think that having a guy like him in the wings (10 minutes per game with the abilty to step-up in situations caused by foul-trouble or injury) is good insurance.   He is a pretty talented guy who definitely gets overly enamered with his own ball skills from time to time.   He shouldn't shoot 3's -- but again in fairness, ET rarely shoots one if not left wide open and shot clock running down.   

At 27 years old, he's still young enough to mature as a player (Pierce did), to get the #2 pick expectations out of his own (and everyone else's) head, and to carve out a valuable supporting role on a good team.

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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2015, 03:27:05 PM »

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I think it will really depend what happens in the draft and what free agents have interest in Boston.

The Celtics will have 6 potential roster spots (Turner, Zeller, Sullinger, Amir, Lee, Jerebko can all end up free agents). If they draft two rookies and sign two free agents then they can only keep two from that list personally I'd rather have Amir and Sullinger than Zeller.

If we sign two big time free agents, then I could see Turner staying because we have his bird rights and could go over the cap to sign him (with the same idea being true of Sully and Zeller).

I'm fine with keeping Turner but I can't make a decision until after I know what we do in the draft and who is interested in free agency.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2015, 04:08:28 PM »

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I wish Turner played aggressive all of the time.   When he attacks the bucket he is decent.

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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2015, 07:36:36 PM »

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I like Turner.
He is the Swiss Army Knife.
He can do a lot of different things.

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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2015, 08:13:34 PM »

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At the right price and amount of years, I'd keep Turner. I wouldn't be surprised if Danny gives him a three year $18 million deal (not too crazy with the cap skyrocketing) with the 3rd year being a team option.

If Turner asks for more then let him walk. I trust Danny's drafting and a much cheaper and potentially better option can fill ET's role if his head is on straight: Lance Stephenson. The guy would play Turner's role very well as long as he wouldn't go insane. I think he'd be worth the risk.

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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2015, 08:17:09 PM »

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It's all about the price. I like having him around but, as other have said, he's just not good enough at what he does do to demand more than 20-25 minutes per night on a good team. What do you pay a guy like that? In the new NBA economy, its hard to judge but is he worth more than $5 mil a year? Probably not.
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2015, 08:39:16 PM »

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Turner should be kept until a better option emerges.  He is not a worthless player.  However, Danny Ainge should constantly be searching for a better option who can do many of the things that Turner does, but better with less of the negatives.  If no better option is possible, Ainge should consider re-signing Turner if it is possible to give him a reasonable contract that doesn't hamper getting rid of him in the future should an upgrade be possible.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2015, 08:44:10 PM »

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Turner should be kept until a better option emerges.  He is not a worthless player.  However, Danny Ainge should constantly be searching for a better option who can do many of the things that Turner does, but better with less of the negatives.  If no better option is possible, Ainge should consider re-signing Turner if it is possible to give him a reasonable contract that doesn't hamper getting rid of him in the future should an upgrade be possible.

Yeah this is how it should be.

The thing about Turner is he does things for you at times which is very similar to what superstar players like Wade does in getting into the paint and hitting shots or making passes to open guys.  His defense is also pretty good this year.  He has been good for the team.

He is still uneven sometimes (and (he still has awful stretches that make him annoying) and you want a real star player in that role.  Even if that happened, he is a guy who could be a good back up.  It all depends on price and roles.  The team needs to get better and there are too many players on the team as is.

Smart also needs to take on a bigger ball handling role.  This year that is something I haven't worried about yet (especially since Smart has been hurt).  It would be nice to have all players who can space the floor in the future on this team and Turner does not do that.  He is useful though.

He has become a real goof this year too which I can't say I hate.  It's good to have some of that.
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2015, 09:11:26 PM »

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Turner is going to win us a championship!Good joke

This thread she be about Myles Turner and how much we love him as a celtic.....but we kept guys like Turner on the team last year only to have them leave or get waived at the end of the season and we got an inflated number of wins. 3 less wins we have Myles Turner instead of Rozier.

Here is his first game back from thumb injury.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6Cf_NMko3g

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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2015, 09:16:59 PM »

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ET fills a role like Shaun Livingston in GSW. And they have similar games, actually.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2015, 09:20:08 PM »

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do you ppl think he really has that much more potential. Just because he is somewhat young does not mean he has potential....IMO he is around his prime maybe even past it.

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2015, 09:50:57 PM »

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I wish Turner played aggressive all of the time.   When he attacks the bucket he is decent.

On this I agree... but I'm skeptical about a game in which he finally attacked aggressively a team with no interior defense at all. I'd like to see him do more of that against stronger defensive teams.

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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2015, 11:08:19 PM »

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turner is only other creative guy who gets into paint and finishes,rebounds well and is a very servicable point forward-last night is a perfect example of what he can do-he is durable and certainly has his moments where i can't believe he did that -not in a good way-and he is a good teamate

I agree. I am a fan.

In addition to your positive points about ET, I'll add a few more.

His pull-up jumper in the paint and on the baseline is money.

He can finish.

He is a better than average FT shooter and especially makes them when he needs to at the end of games.

He is not afraid at all to take the final shot.

He plays much better D than many on here give him credit for. Scal was singing the praises of ET's defensive versatility in the post-game the other night.

I think that many on here didn't like his game and him before he got here and never gave him a chance.

They saw that he got into a fight in Indiana and disliked him for that....didn't fit the Celtic mold. Well, his fight was with that pillar of integrity and decency, Sir Lance and ET was defending a teammate being verbally pummeled by Sir Lane in a pre-playoff game practice.

He was mis-used in Indiana. He was literally put in a corner and made to play completely off the ball. Of course his numbers sucked...and he didn't stand a chance in Indiana, replacing team leader and Paul George mentor, Danny Granger. That team was dysfunctional, and NOT because of ET.

And when he left there and came here, I saw at least two interviews where he was asked about the situation in Indiana. Prodded to answer...he never took the bait. He said positive things about the coach, the team and his teammates there and didn't bang anyone around..and he easily, justifiably could have. That showed me character. So, yah, I am a fan. The kid has stones, and he's a standup. 

Does he make boneheaded, aggravating plays? Absolutely. But, as many have opined, his positives far outweigh his negatives. His teammates like him, CBS obviously likes him and there aren't many back-up ball-handlers in the league that I would rather have over him.

ET is an absolute bargain at $3.4mil. I hope we re-sign him.