Marcus Smart's Weight

[coffee425]

First off, this is not a bash-Marcus thread. I love what he brings to this team now, and have confidence he will develop into a good all-around player.

That being said, should he consider adjusting his weight to benefit his game? He's currently listed at 6'4 and 220lbs, easily one of the largest point guards in the league. We've all seen how much Kyle Lowry's benefited from his weight loss, and even large PGs like Deron Williams and Jason Kidd were listed at 210lbs. Clearly it's not much fat, but could this muscle mass be hindering his explosiveness and lateral quickness, or even his stamina? It is a basic balance of these traits vs his physicality and strength.

I do acknowledge that this strength and mass has given him the ability to guard bigger players (3s and some 4s). This ability to switch has greatly benefited CBS's desire to play small-ball.

[Csfan1984]

It all depends on how he carries the weight. He doesn't look at all out of shape or too skinny. Kind has a normal in-shape athletic body. I believe with that, his reflex and instinct lead to his great D. I think it's less about weight and more about training to get faster/explosive. Shedding some weight would effect his overall mass however and make defending bigger players tough. Right now he has that edge in mass. Also from what I have seen Smart has no issue driving to where he wants he just isn't allowed to.

[Clench123]

No he shouldn't lose weight (muscle mass).  That's one advantage he has that you want to take away for no reason since he already has all those things you mentioned.

[rollie mass]

this is also not a bash but marcus looked bulky and his defence was slow and robotic with little lateral -he was like a beautiful force before and his defence was gifted-people keep saying he was not a good pick-name a better defensive rookie guard(maybe ever)-both marcus and isiah have certain gifts but both are easily extinguished with an injury-they are part and parcel of their game
i just enjoy every minute they play

[coffee425]

this is also not a bash but marcus looked bulky and his defence was slow and robotic with little lateral -he was like a beautiful force before and his defence was gifted-people keep saying he was not a good pick-name a better defensive rookie guard-both marcus and isiah have certain gifts but both are easily extinguished with an injury-they are part and parcel of their game
i just enjoy every minute they play

This is probably just being out of shape from injury.

[manl_lui]

in my honest opinion, he should not lose the weight. The reason why I say that is because he is physically stronger than probably 80-90% of the guards in the NBA. 6'4 @ 220 lbs, and I believe his bench press at the draft combine was absurd. He is very strong guy. Also, I don't think he's in our top 3-4 when it comes to offensive usage. IT of course will have the most touches and offensive opportunity than anyone else on this team. Then I see Bradley and Sully on top as well. Crowder is also stepping up his offensive game from the last 5 outings. I believe in another thread, Smart averages about 8 shots a game (someone confirm). That's not a lot, and he is still averaging almost 10 ppg.

I've seen him post up smaller guards with success and ease. And there are other players who are considered "too big" or "not athletic" for his position. Paul Pierce is an excellent example...besides LeBron, Pierce is a pretty big at the small forward position and isn't exactly the most athletic but still a great scorer. Someone mentioned Lowry, yea he lost a bit of weight but he is still a strong guard. Marcus Thorton whom a lot of people think he is overweight (I actually thought this is funny lol), is also another example of a big (or even out of shape lol), guard who can score.

His weight isn't also limiting his defensive skills so therefore I do not think his weight is much of an issue. If anything I think it gives him an advantage.

[Who]

I don't think Smart is the type of athlete to gain much quickness by losing weight. I do think however that he would lose a significant advantage with his strength if lost weight.

I think losing weight would hurt Smart's effectiveness on the floor. 

[KG Living Legend]

 6'2" 227 pounds 10.6% bodyfat at the combine.

 That is too heavy for a PG, and his bodyfat is to high as well. He could be closer to 235 pounds now and if he his most would agree that's too much weight.

 It definitely affects his ability to get into the paint and his first step quickness.

 Now if we really need him to guard SF's then keep the mass, but he's suppose to be a PG and his body says he's not.

 Russell Westbrook
 John Wall
 Terry Rozier

 What do they all have in common.
 5.6% bodyfat coming out of the draft.
 Smart had almost double that.

 He does have a thick build but if he was shredded at 215 to 220 that would be ideal IMO.

 

[KG Living Legend]

I don't think Smart is the type of athlete to gain much quickness by losing weight. I do think however that he would lose a significant advantage with his strength if lost weight.

I think losing weight would hurt Smart's effectiveness on the floor.

 Who, such a tough guy to figure out. Smart beat Westbrook in the three cone drill, I can't believe he beat Russell in any drill.

 And his 33" no step vertical was on par with Wade.
 The numbers say he is borderline freak athlete, so I wouldn't say never until I saw him in tremendous shape.

 He's not genically blessed like Westbrook or Wade where he can eat fast food and stay ripped he's going to have to diet and work harder.

 He's like 22 years old so good luck with that.

[manl_lui]

 6'2" 227 pounds 10.6% bodyfat at the combine.

 That is too heavy for a PG, and his bodyfat is to high as well. He could be closer to 235 pounds now and if he his most would agree that's too much weight.

 It definitely affects his ability to get into the paint and his first step quickness.

 Now if we really need him to guard SF's then keep the mass, but he's suppose to be a PG and his body says he's not.

 Russell Westbrook
 John Wall
 Terry Rozier

 What do they all have in common.
 5.6% bodyfat coming out of the draft.
 Smart had almost double that.

 He does have a thick build but if he was shredded at 215 to 220 that would be ideal IMO.

10% body fat isn't TOO bad, and Irving has a 10% body fat as well in his draft class. But I do agree his ideal weight should be in the low 220s or maybe even 215. I don't think losing 10 lb will help him much on his first step quickness. Even at 215, he's still technically bigger than most guards in the league, and if he's just going lean, I think he'll still be able to maintain some strength

[D Dub]

I don't think Smart is the type of athlete to gain much quickness by losing weight. I do think however that he would lose a significant advantage with his strength if lost weight.

I think losing weight would hurt Smart's effectiveness on the floor.

 Who, such a tough guy to figure out. Smart beat Westbrook in the three cone drill, I can't believe he beat Russell in any drill.

 And his 33" no step vertical was on par with Wade.
 The numbers say he is borderline freak athlete, so I wouldn't say never until I saw him in tremendous shape.

 He's not genically blessed like Westbrook or Wade where he can eat fast food and stay ripped he's going to have to diet and work harder.

 He's like 22 years old so good luck with that.

I agree with Who on this.  The freakish part of his athleticism is how he carries his weight.  His neck is bigger than most guys thighs, for example. 

He's never going to out-quick the featherweight guards of the league.  His offense will need to come from better footwork and improved 3pt accuracy, if he wants to get better.   

[coffee425]

I agree with Who on this.  The freakish part of his athleticism is how he carries his weight.  His neck is bigger than most guys thighs, for example. 

He's never going to out-quick the featherweight guards of the league.  His offense will need to come from better footwork and improved 3pt accuracy, if he wants to get better.   

This is frighteningly true. Can we put the Bane mask on him?

[dark_lord]

lose 5-10 lbs

[coffee425]

in my honest opinion, he should not lose the weight. The reason why I say that is because he is physically stronger than probably 80-90% of the guards in the NBA. 6'4 @ 220 lbs, and I believe his bench press at the draft combine was absurd. He is very strong guy. Also, I don't think he's in our top 3-4 when it comes to offensive usage. IT of course will have the most touches and offensive opportunity than anyone else on this team. Then I see Bradley and Sully on top as well. Crowder is also stepping up his offensive game from the last 5 outings. I believe in another thread, Smart averages about 8 shots a game (someone confirm). That's not a lot, and he is still averaging almost 10 ppg.

I've seen him post up smaller guards with success and ease. And there are other players who are considered "too big" or "not athletic" for his position. Paul Pierce is an excellent example...besides LeBron, Pierce is a pretty big at the small forward position and isn't exactly the most athletic but still a great scorer. Someone mentioned Lowry, yea he lost a bit of weight but he is still a strong guard. Marcus Thorton whom a lot of people think he is overweight (I actually thought this is funny lol), is also another example of a big (or even out of shape lol), guard who can score.

His weight isn't also limiting his defensive skills so therefore I do not think his weight is much of an issue. If anything I think it gives him an advantage.

If there's one thing I beg of CBS, please use this more. He's got the footwork and strength to ruin any pg defender (ask Westbrook).

[coffee425]

 6'2" 227 pounds 10.6% bodyfat at the combine.

 That is too heavy for a PG, and his bodyfat is to high as well. He could be closer to 235 pounds now and if he his most would agree that's too much weight.

 It definitely affects his ability to get into the paint and his first step quickness.

 Now if we really need him to guard SF's then keep the mass, but he's suppose to be a PG and his body says he's not.

 Russell Westbrook
 John Wall
 Terry Rozier

 What do they all have in common.
 5.6% bodyfat coming out of the draft.
 Smart had almost double that.

 He does have a thick build but if he was shredded at 215 to 220 that would be ideal IMO.

10% body fat isn't TOO bad, and Irving has a 10% body fat as well in his draft class. But I do agree his ideal weight should be in the low 220s or maybe even 215. I don't think losing 10 lb will help him much on his first step quickness. Even at 215, he's still technically bigger than most guards in the league, and if he's just going lean, I think he'll still be able to maintain some strength

Since we're doing some math on this. If he was able to cut this body fat down to even 8.0% from his listed 220lbs, he would shed 5-6lbs. Reasoning of where I voted. But 8% body wouldn't kill him. Any pro baller is generally between 8-10%, so it'd be nice to see Marcus at the other end of this range.