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Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« on: December 21, 2015, 11:57:05 PM »

Offline walker834

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Kind of an interesting lineup change tonight.  Sully was out but his percentages have really been tanking of late and Amir hasn't offered much offense either.  Teams have started to pay more attention to Bradley and his scoring was starting to sink.  Kelly and Lee both had pretty good offensive lines tonight.  I'd rather go with KO and Sully personally.  I think that's hte best match that's always been and our two guys but Sully is struggling. 

I'd start Kelly and Sully and bring Lee and Amir off the bench.  That's my choice going forward.

Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 08:29:14 AM »

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Kind of an interesting lineup change tonight.  Sully was out but his percentages have really been tanking of late and Amir hasn't offered much offense either.  Teams have started to pay more attention to Bradley and his scoring was starting to sink.  Kelly and Lee both had pretty good offensive lines tonight.  I'd rather go with KO and Sully personally.  I think that's hte best match that's always been and our two guys but Sully is struggling. 

I'd start Kelly and Sully and bring Lee and Amir off the bench.  That's my choice going forward.

An emphatic "NO!" to answer your question. I wouldn't mind testing KO in the starting unit though whether with Amir or with Sully, but the Sully/Amir tandem seem to me to be the most dependable.

As for Sully, well he's had 2 games in a row now where he's shot over 50%... saying he's struggling overstates things and ignores recent developments. Hopefully that's a sign that he's on the verge of breaking his slump. Have to see how the back spasms thing develops though.

Prior to last night's game, Kelly had about 4 poor games in a row... so isn't he the one struggling (last game aside)?
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Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 08:38:02 AM »

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Kind of an interesting lineup change tonight.  Sully was out but his percentages have really been tanking of late and Amir hasn't offered much offense either.  Teams have started to pay more attention to Bradley and his scoring was starting to sink.  Kelly and Lee both had pretty good offensive lines tonight.  I'd rather go with KO and Sully personally.  I think that's hte best match that's always been and our two guys but Sully is struggling. 

I'd start Kelly and Sully and bring Lee and Amir off the bench.  That's my choice going forward.

An emphatic "NO!" to answer your question. I wouldn't mind testing KO in the starting unit though whether with Amir or with Sully, but the Sully/Amir tandem seem to me to be the most dependable.

As for Sully, well he's had 2 games in a row now where he's shot over 50%... saying he's struggling overstates things and ignores recent developments. Hopefully that's a sign that he's on the verge of breaking his slump. Have to see how the back spasms thing develops though.

Prior to last night's game, Kelly had about 4 poor games in a row... so isn't he the one struggling (last game aside)?
agreed.  Sully and Amir are our best options for the starting frontcourt when everyone's healthy barring a trade.

Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 09:01:36 AM »

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Amir needs to rest till he is better.  Completely .

Play Lee , KO , Sully and Mickey

Without him for the playoffs .  Celtics won't go far.

Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 09:07:43 AM »

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trade lee asap..
he has no value to our team and is not better than our other bigs...

Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2015, 09:19:30 AM »

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Kind of an interesting lineup change tonight.  Sully was out but his percentages have really been tanking of late and Amir hasn't offered much offense either.  Teams have started to pay more attention to Bradley and his scoring was starting to sink.  Kelly and Lee both had pretty good offensive lines tonight.  I'd rather go with KO and Sully personally.  I think that's hte best match that's always been and our two guys but Sully is struggling. 

I'd start Kelly and Sully and bring Lee and Amir off the bench.  That's my choice going forward.

An emphatic "NO!" to answer your question. I wouldn't mind testing KO in the starting unit though whether with Amir or with Sully, but the Sully/Amir tandem seem to me to be the most dependable.

As for Sully, well he's had 2 games in a row now where he's shot over 50%... saying he's struggling overstates things and ignores recent developments. Hopefully that's a sign that he's on the verge of breaking his slump. Have to see how the back spasms thing develops though.

Prior to last night's game, Kelly had about 4 poor games in a row... so isn't he the one struggling (last game aside)?
agreed.  Sully and Amir are our best options for the starting frontcourt when everyone's healthy barring a trade.

Yeah, I agree with that. Sully has been one of our most dependable and consistent players all year. We need his rebounding/low post abilities on a regular basis. The Amir/Sully front court hasn't really played poorly enough to justify changing it after one good game from KO and a few good minutes from Lee and Zeller.

That said, I really think that in order for KO to become a more consistent scoring threat (which he obviously has the talent to do) I think he needs to play around 25 mpg. He's a kind of guy that needs to establish a rhythm in the game and I think he needs a few good, long stretches a game to do that. Olynyk has the ability to score 15+ PPG. If one of the Sully/Amir combo is out for another game or two, and Olynyk can string together a couple of good performances in the starting line-up, I wouldn't be opposed to plugging him in with either one of Sully or Amir. Though if we started Sully/KO I would worry about defense and the lack of a good P&R guy for Thomas.

Zeller also had a good game, as did Jerebko and Lee, so it begs the question. What are we gonna do with all this front court depth? If Zeller comes back into the fold, who goes to the bench? Lee? Jerebko? The competition on the roster has made a lot of individual players improve their games but it makes for a major log jam when everyone is playing well.

Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2015, 09:25:58 AM »

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That is a tough question. I think it should be Olynyk and Zeller with Sullinger and Amir coming off the bench. Sullinger needs to get in better shape. He has an obligation to his teammates. He does that he deserves to be in the starting lineup.

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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 10:07:10 AM »

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Start Lee and Amir. Sully has clearly hit a rut and is winded and KO does excellent off the bench.
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Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2015, 10:16:55 AM »

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Our bigs are subpar, we have too many bigs that are rooted to the floor, slow footed, poor defenders, and soft. All do one thing fairly well, and many things poorly. 

If fact, all of them should be coming off the bench. Kelly needs to see the Wizard of Oz, to find some steady confidence. Lee has no future with this team at all. Sully, while having no real position, will never play an entire season without injury or conditioning issues. Zeller is an ok backup center nothing more, Amir is an ok PF, sometimes playing aggressively, sometimes just disappearing. Mickey has good potential, he runs the floor, defends, protects the rim, he's athletic and very long, and is beginning to show signs of some scoring potential. He needs more minutes, in Maine, and Boston.

The fact is, it really doesn't matter who starts.

Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 12:32:26 PM »

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Start Amir and KO. Amir is capable of picking up tricky defensive assignments from Kelly when needed night-to-night -- he can be the lunchpail guy so Kelly can focus on keeping it simple: team D and shooting.

Bring Zeller off the bench with Turner or Smart to get his 12 & 5 in the pick-n-roll over 18 mins a night, with Jerebko involved for defensive energy and shooting.

Keep Sully's mins down so his per-36 look inflated, and he doesn't get injured before we can trade him. 
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Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2015, 12:43:34 PM »

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Just a guess but I think Amir will be out for a couple games. I think the c's will start Sullinger and Ko until Amir comes back. Or maybe Lee and Sullinger since Ko fits with the second unit better than Lee. I would worry about the floor spacing of a Lee/Sullinger front court though.
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Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2015, 12:53:23 PM »

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Send Lee packing and put in Zeller...

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« Reply #12 on: December 22, 2015, 12:59:34 PM »

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The tough thing with all of our bigs is they're all better at center.

Kelly, Sully, Amir, Zeller, Lee ... all are at their best playing at center.  The team is better going smaller.


I'd like to see Kelly and Amir start and then bring Sully and Zeller off the bench.

Sit Lee.  He's been productive but, unsurprisingly, he doesn't actually make the team better.  Zeller is better.
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Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2015, 01:24:59 PM »

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The tough thing with all of our bigs is they're all better at center.

Kelly, Sully, Amir, Zeller, Lee ... all are at their best playing at center.  The team is better going smaller.


I'd like to see Kelly and Amir start and then bring Sully and Zeller off the bench.

Sit Lee.  He's been productive but, unsurprisingly, he doesn't actually make the team better.  Zeller is better.

If the plan is to bring Zeller in instead of Lee, then I'd stick with our current starting bigs. If Lee still figures to be part of the rotation, then I'd be willing to entertain the idea of starting Olynyk. The reason for this is purely based that out of all our bigs, Lee and Sully at the very least work. Lee hasn't worked with any of the rest.

But if you're bringing Zeller off the bench as suggested, then I see no reason to make the move. Not to say that I wouldn't be willing to entertain the idea of Amir/Olynyk starting... I just don't see a reason for it at this moment particularly when you consider that Sullinger has been the one matching up against the best low post, or best period, big of the opposing team and yet figuring to be around the top of the league in defense for the position. Plus he's been a rebounding beast this year.

Re: Should Kelly and Lee continue to start?
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2015, 01:43:02 PM »

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The tough thing with all of our bigs is they're all better at center.

Kelly, Sully, Amir, Zeller, Lee ... all are at their best playing at center.  The team is better going smaller.


I'd like to see Kelly and Amir start and then bring Sully and Zeller off the bench.

Sit Lee.  He's been productive but, unsurprisingly, he doesn't actually make the team better.  Zeller is better.

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