Will the Nets fire Hollins?

[celticsclay]

I know nobody could really reasonably predict things to go much better for them based on their limited talent, but some of these quotes seem really bizarre

"Brooklyn Nets coach Lionel Hollins accepted the blame after his team looked defeated and disinterested in a 100-85 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves on Sunday afternoon at Barclays Center.

“I take full responsibility for us not being out there and ready to go,” said the embattled Hollins, whose team dropped its fifth straight game to fall to 7-20 on the season. He added: “I didn’t think we competed today for 48 minutes. Maybe 10 minutes, maybe 12, but that’s not going to get it done.”

“It was just energy and effort,” said center Brook Lopez, who had 20 points, 12 rebounds and 5 assists. “I don’t know if it was the 1 o’clock game or numerous excuses, but we don’t want those. They just outplayed us."

The head coach saying they played hard for maybe 10-12 minutes?
The best player using the early starting time as a possible explanation for effort (1pm!)

I don't think Hollins is known very much for developing young players and if the players are tuning him out with no benefit from a tank, would they consider making a move?

http://espn.go.com/blog/brooklyn-nets/post/_/id/23319/brook-lopez-it-was-just-energy-and-effort-they-just-outplayed-us

[PhoSita]

I'm not sure what they have to gain by getting rid of Hollins.

If anything you could probably argue that Nets have overachieved at times.  A worse coach might not have gotten the team to compete at all after their disastrous start to the season. 

That they have been competitive in a number of games and even beaten some decent opponents (e.g. Rockets, Celts), is a testament to Hollins's ability to continue to motivate an undermanned team during a depressing season.

[hpantazo]

It sounds more like a coach trying to get his players to believe that the loss was lack of effort not lack of talent, so that they don't mentally check out for the rest of the season.

[celticsclay]

I'm not sure what they have to gain by getting rid of Hollins.

If anything you could probably argue that Nets have overachieved at times.  A worse coach might not have gotten the team to compete at all after their disastrous start to the season. 

That they have been competitive in a number of games and even beaten some decent opponents (e.g. Rockets, Celts), is a testament to Hollins's ability to continue to motivate an undermanned team during a depressing season.

Well the first part is that when coaches are fired, it is often not always a well thought out decision or deserved, but rather done because it is gives the appearance of doing something. It is not like they can just fire the players (this also could buy some attention away from king for the rest of the season).

The reason this article made me raise the issue of firing is that when a coach starts saying the effort isn't there, and the star player is saying embarrassing things like it was a 1:00pm start, it is a pretty bad look.

I will say I admit it is still unlikely, but reading that article was the first time I thought it may happen. As far as beating "decent teams" its the end of the year and they have beaten two over .500 teams and have 7 wins. My prediction is that if they win soon the pressure will kind of go away. However, if they close out this month without a win (5 more games, 3 on the road with one sub .500 opponent Washington) he will be fired to start the new year.

[CelticGuardian]

So I've been keeping an eye on what's going down in NetsDaily. Apparently the fanbase believes that Hollins is a detriment to their roster simply by his minute allocations. Playing guys like Bargnani and Joe Johnson which doesn't really help anyone, definitely not the team win and especially not the growth of the few young guys they do have.. If they keep Hollins its good for us, his offensive sets feature very heavy ISO usage with Joe Johnson and Jarret Jack which won't really translate to wins with how fast the game is being played now(using 20 seconds for 2 points versus 10 to 15 for 3 points?) and with Joe Johnson's none existent offense despite, Hollins playing him 35 mins a night. Hope they keep him.

[PhoSita]

However, if they close out this month without a win (5 more games, 3 on the road with one sub .500 opponent Washington) he will be fired to start the new year.

I'd say if they've still got the 3rd worst record come February 1st, I wouldn't be surprised if they fire Hollins.

[celticsclay]

So I've been keeping an eye on what's going down in NetsDaily. Apparently the fanbase believes that Hollins is a detriment to their roster simply by his minute allocations. Playing guys like Bargnani and Joe Johnson which doesn't really help anyone, definitely not the team win and especially not the growth of the few young guys they do have.. If they keep Hollins its good for us, his offensive sets feature very heavy ISO usage with Joe Johnson and Jarret Jack which won't really translate to wins with how fast the game is being played now(using 20 seconds for 2 points versus 10 to 15 for 3 points?) and with Joe Johnson's none existent offense despite, Hollins playing him 35 mins a night. Hope they keep him.

Yea I don't know whether it would be good or bad for the Celtics if he were fired. Probably somewhat irrelevant for won loss record. However, are Markel Brown, Karasev and Thomas Robinson completely ruled out as future rotation players? Maybe they could sign a guy like Upshaw.

[hpantazo]

So I've been keeping an eye on what's going down in NetsDaily. Apparently the fanbase believes that Hollins is a detriment to their roster simply by his minute allocations. Playing guys like Bargnani and Joe Johnson which doesn't really help anyone, definitely not the team win and especially not the growth of the few young guys they do have.. If they keep Hollins its good for us, his offensive sets feature very heavy ISO usage with Joe Johnson and Jarret Jack which won't really translate to wins with how fast the game is being played now(using 20 seconds for 2 points versus 10 to 15 for 3 points?) and with Joe Johnson's none existent offense despite, Hollins playing him 35 mins a night. Hope they keep him.

Yea I don't know whether it would be good or bad for the Celtics if he were fired. Probably somewhat irrelevant for won loss record. However, are Markel Brown, Karasev and Thomas Robinson completely ruled out as future rotation players? Maybe they could sign a guy like Upshaw.

He also pounds his vets into the ground, including Brook Lopez, even in blowouts. So if he stays its only a matter of time until injuries pile up on those guys.

[slamtheking]

can't see the point in firing him.  they gave him a crappy team to coach.  they're getting the results that were expected by 99% of the people that follow the NBA

[tazzmaniac]

I think Hollins is in the last year of his contract.  The only reason to fire him mid-season would be if the Nets had a better coach to take over immediately.  Other than Thibodeau, who else might they get? 

[CelticGuardian]

So I've been keeping an eye on what's going down in NetsDaily. Apparently the fanbase believes that Hollins is a detriment to their roster simply by his minute allocations. Playing guys like Bargnani and Joe Johnson which doesn't really help anyone, definitely not the team win and especially not the growth of the few young guys they do have.. If they keep Hollins its good for us, his offensive sets feature very heavy ISO usage with Joe Johnson and Jarret Jack which won't really translate to wins with how fast the game is being played now(using 20 seconds for 2 points versus 10 to 15 for 3 points?) and with Joe Johnson's none existent offense despite, Hollins playing him 35 mins a night. Hope they keep him.

Yea I don't know whether it would be good or bad for the Celtics if he were fired. Probably somewhat irrelevant for won loss record. However, are Markel Brown, Karasev and Thomas Robinson completely ruled out as future rotation players? Maybe they could sign a guy like Upshaw.

there are reports that ownership had to force Hollins to play RHJ, their best perimeter defender, which is quite telling... none of the names you mentioned are averaging more than 10 mins a game.... I personally think T-Rob has been playing pretty well, Karasev has demanded a trade via his dad, all in all their present is in flux and their future is fleeting.

[CelticGuardian]

double post

[mctyson]

However, if they close out this month without a win (5 more games, 3 on the road with one sub .500 opponent Washington) he will be fired to start the new year.

I'd say if they've still got the 3rd worst record come February 1st, I wouldn't be surprised if they fire Hollins.

I have posted this before but they need to completely overhaul that entire franchise, from Hollins on down.  They have no way to rebuild without 1st round picks in 2 of the next 3 years and a seemingly at least 15-position pick swap in 2017.

Lopez can get them a lot right now.  What is he accomplishing for this team currently?  Get a young big and a pick back for him.  Thad Young could get them a 2nd rounder at least.

Get rid of Jack at all costs.  Get some another 3 point shooter and put the ball in the hands of a drive and kick PG and play uptempo basketball thats at least fun to watch, if not super successful.  What else do you have to lose at this point?

[BornReady]

I'd be surprised by them firing him

Hollins is a great coach
Despite being more in tune with the old school basketball style

Before King said that they wanted stability as they were surprised Kidd left so suddenly after only 1 season

Their losses more have to do with the talent on their roster
Roster wise they r 2nd worst on the east
If you matchupped with any other team they'd only beat Philly on paper

The team needs to rebuild
But considering we have their picks
They won't be able to do it through the draft
And must make smart trades, overpay good free agents to entice them to come  and keep good young players like young and hollis Jefferson to have a core to at least fall back on

They can try trade Johnson and Lopez
But at this stage of their career and the size of their deals
They won't get much in return and will be in a worser position as they will be tanking for us

[Big333223]

I wouldn't be surprised by anything this Nets franchise did.

I will say that I hope they do fire Hollins, as I have a pretty high opinion of him as a coach and I think whoever they brought in on the fly would lose them more games.