Another Butler trade Idea

[arctic 3.0]

Following up on DENEE's Fanpost 3 team trade idea, i've been playing with the trade machine and think i have a winner!

framework:
To Boston:
Butler
Noah
Boston is giving up a lot but the gets the best player in the deal and a high quality big man who loves to play D and pass the ball. AND we keep all brooklyn picks


To Chicago:
Carmelo
Caldaron
one of Boston or Mavs 2016 picks and future 2nd rounder
Chicago goes all in on a championship run with Rose, Mello and gassol

To NY:
Lee (expiring)
Jerebko (expiring)
Smart
Sully
Zeller (expiring)
one of Boston or Mavs 2016 picks and future 2nd rounder
New york gets 2.5 excellent young prospects, to pair with Porzingus, three expiring contracts, and a first rounder (i don't believe they own their own pick this year)

The salaries work, butlers trade restrictions expire on 1/15.

Edit: forgot to add j Calderon in breakdown. Salary is necessary to make this work

[Yenohb]

J. Butler > Carmelo. 'nuff said.

[chambers]

It's not bad from an asset exchange perspective but here's the main question...

If Butler is the best player in the deal, why would the Bulls trade him away in preparation for a championship run?

I think it would be more realistic for Celtics to throw everything in their assets chest at the Bulls and Knicks for Butler and Melo.

[trickybilly]

Is this because he complained about Fred?

Just do not see CHI dealing him: I like the deal though.

[arctic 3.0]

Is this because he complained about Fred?

Just do not see CHI dealing him: I like the deal though.

Yeah, Bulls unlikely to let him go but he is vocal in his discontent and already has a fractious relationship with Rose.
If it keeps up they will have to move one of those two.
Lot of reasons why it won't be Rose (even tough he's the lesser player.

[arctic 3.0]

While butler may be the best player I think that Carmelo gives them a better shot at winning a title before the window closes.

[chambers]

While butler may be the best player I think that Carmelo gives them a better shot at winning a title before the window closes.

Melo will be 32 years old in 5 months. Butler will be 26 years old in 5 months.
Does a Carmelo/Gasol/Rose/ whoeever line up really have more of a chance vs the Cavs or Hawks in a 7 game series after removing Butler?

Remember they'd be giving up 6 years of Butler in his prime for a 1 or 2 year window with Carmelo and Pau Gasol...I'm not sure what that window leads them to..is it a window for making the ECF and getting blasted by the Cavs for 1 or 2 years? Gasol will be 36 years old soon.

I just think that the Bulls would send out McDermott, Mirotic and Bobby Portis for Carmelo Anthony and try and pair him with Butler before ever giving up a young top 15 player for an aging, slightly deteriorating Melo....

If the Bulls roster were the Celtics roster, would you trade Jimmy Buckets for a year or two of Carmelo? Nope.

So summarize my long winded ramble in one sentence:
The Bulls aren't giving up Jimmy Butler with 6 years in his prime left, for a regressing Carmelo and a 1 or 2 year window.

[arctic 3.0]

While butler may be the best player I think that Carmelo gives them a better shot at winning a title before the window closes.

Melo will be 32 years old in 5 months. Butler will be 26 years old in 5 months.
Does a Carmelo/Gasol/Rose/ whoeever line up really have more of a chance vs the Cavs or Hawks in a 7 game series after removing Butler?

Remember they'd be giving up 6 years of Butler in his prime for a 1 or 2 year window with Carmelo and Pau Gasol...I'm not sure what that window leads them to..is it a window for making the ECF and getting blasted by the Cavs for 1 or 2 years? Gasol will be 36 years old soon.

I just think that the Bulls would send out McDermott, Mirotic and Bobby Portis for Carmelo Anthony and try and pair him with Butler before ever giving up a young top 15 player for an aging, slightly deteriorating Melo....

If the Bulls roster were the Celtics roster, would you trade Jimmy Buckets for a year or two of Carmelo? Nope.

So summarize my long winded ramble in one sentence:
The Bulls aren't giving up Jimmy Butler with 6 years in his prime left, for a regressing Carmelo and a 1 or 2 year window.

Fair enough the intent of this proposal was to pull together a realistic package that lands us butler while maintaining most of the core and picks.
I don't believe that the original is that far off but we definitely have picks to sweeten the deal if management deems the return to be worth it.

[PhoSita]

Chicago isn't trading Jimmy Butler.  Move on.

[guava_wrench]

While butler may be the best player I think that Carmelo gives them a better shot at winning a title before the window closes.

Melo will be 32 years old in 5 months. Butler will be 26 years old in 5 months.
Does a Carmelo/Gasol/Rose/ whoeever line up really have more of a chance vs the Cavs or Hawks in a 7 game series after removing Butler?

Remember they'd be giving up 6 years of Butler in his prime for a 1 or 2 year window with Carmelo and Pau Gasol...I'm not sure what that window leads them to..is it a window for making the ECF and getting blasted by the Cavs for 1 or 2 years? Gasol will be 36 years old soon.

I just think that the Bulls would send out McDermott, Mirotic and Bobby Portis for Carmelo Anthony and try and pair him with Butler before ever giving up a young top 15 player for an aging, slightly deteriorating Melo....

If the Bulls roster were the Celtics roster, would you trade Jimmy Buckets for a year or two of Carmelo? Nope.

So summarize my long winded ramble in one sentence:
The Bulls aren't giving up Jimmy Butler with 6 years in his prime left, for a regressing Carmelo and a 1 or 2 year window.

Fair enough the intent of this proposal was to pull together a realistic package that lands us butler while maintaining most of the core and picks.
I don't believe that the original is that far off but we definitely have picks to sweeten the deal if management deems the return to be worth it.

It isn't realistic. We would have to give up both Nets picks and more to get Butler. And they probably still wouldn't be interested.

Why would Chi want Melo over Butler? Butler actually plays D and isn't in decline.

You are trying to get Chicago to trade a player they have no interest in trading. You need to throw assets at them to have a chance.

[Geo123]

Is this because he complained about Fred?

Just do not see CHI dealing him: I like the deal though.

Yeah, Bulls unlikely to let him go but he is vocal in his discontent and already has a fractious relationship with Rose.
If it keeps up they will have to move one of those two.
Lot of reasons why it won't be Rose (even tough he's the lesser player.

Wrong it would be Rose for lots of reasons. 

1.  He's not as good of player,
2.  He hasn't come back from injury well
3.  He's playing bad
4.  Butler is now the face on the franchise
5.  If they trade Butler they are taking a HUGE step backwards.
6.  He makes almost $5 million per year more than Butler 

The only positive for Rose is that he's a Chicago guy.  But for some that's another reason to trade him.  He also only has 2 more years on his deal. 

[arctic 3.0]

Chicago isn't trading Jimmy Butler.  Move on.

Um, perhaps you conflate all posters into one, which would explain your assumption that I am hung up on butler.

Truth is I have made exactly 1 butler proposal, based on the fact that his discontent is public knowledge.

And a butler for Melo and a pick is not bad return.
It depends on whether the Bulls think they can pull together a contending squad by trading   Rose or periferral players.

[arctic 3.0]

Is this because he complained about Fred?

Just do not see CHI dealing him: I like the deal though.

Yeah, Bulls unlikely to let him go but he is vocal in his discontent and already has a fractious relationship with Rose.
If it keeps up they will have to move one of those two.
Lot of reasons why it won't be Rose (even tough he's the lesser player.

Wrong it would be Rose for lots of reasons. 

1.  He's not as good of player,
2.  He hasn't come back from injury well
3.  He's playing bad
4.  Butler is now the face on the franchise
5.  If they trade Butler they are taking a HUGE step backwards.
6.  He makes almost $5 million per year more than Butler 

The only positive for Rose is that he's a Chicago guy.  But for some that's another reason to trade him.  He also only has 2 more years on his deal.

Because of your reasons 1-3 Rose won't bring back the kind of player they need to pry their window open.

[LooseCannon]

Chicago isn't trading Jimmy Butler.  Move on.

Um, perhaps you conflate all posters into one, which would explain your assumption that I am hung up on butler.

Truth is I have made exactly 1 butler proposal, based on the fact that his discontent is public knowledge.

And a butler for Melo and a pick is not bad return.
It depends on whether the Bulls think they can pull together a contending squad by trading   Rose or periferral players.

I'm pretty sure that if Butler really is unhappy due to the coaching, it is more likely that the coach eventually gets fired than a player like Butler gets traded.

[arctic 3.0]

While butler may be the best player I think that Carmelo gives them a better shot at winning a title before the window closes.

Melo will be 32 years old in 5 months. Butler will be 26 years old in 5 months.
Does a Carmelo/Gasol/Rose/ whoeever line up really have more of a chance vs the Cavs or Hawks in a 7 game series after removing Butler?

Remember they'd be giving up 6 years of Butler in his prime for a 1 or 2 year window with Carmelo and Pau Gasol...I'm not sure what that window leads them to..is it a window for making the ECF and getting blasted by the Cavs for 1 or 2 years? Gasol will be 36 years old soon.

I just think that the Bulls would send out McDermott, Mirotic and Bobby Portis for Carmelo Anthony and try and pair him with Butler before ever giving up a young top 15 player for an aging, slightly deteriorating Melo....

If the Bulls roster were the Celtics roster, would you trade Jimmy Buckets for a year or two of Carmelo? Nope.

So summarize my long winded ramble in one sentence:
The Bulls aren't giving up Jimmy Butler with 6 years in his prime left, for a regressing Carmelo and a 1 or 2 year window.

Fair enough the intent of this proposal was to pull together a realistic package that lands us butler while maintaining most of the core and picks.
I don't believe that the original is that far off but we definitely have picks to sweeten the deal if management deems the return to be worth it.

It isn't realistic. We would have to give up both Nets picks and more to get Butler. And they probably still wouldn't be interested.

Why would Chi want Melo over Butler? Butler actually plays D and isn't in decline.

You are trying to get Chicago to trade a player they have no interest in trading. You need to throw assets at them to have a chance.

You think butler is worth Melo and 2 likely lotto picks?
I'm not a fan of mello but I don't think he's slipped that far