How valuable is our 2nd round picks

[the_gunner]

Hi all

We have so many picks, both 1st round and 2nd round, in the next couple of drafts, that we have absolutely no chance of using them all on players, that will bring us glory in the future.

The way I see it, we have got several options.

1) Use our 2nd-round picks to trade up on draftnight. I would be so great to have several lottery picks in the hunt for Ben Simmons. But which teams do you guys think would be willing to trade down in the lottery? I really can't see it happening, but I might have missed a team in need of several young players of the second highest caliber.

2) Use both 1st and 2 rounds as trade blocks. No doubt our 1st rounds would be interesting for other teams, but the best of them are really valuable for us. That leads us to the least valuable of the 1st and all of the second round picks, which teams would be interested and what do they have to offer.

Why do I really care about that?

Well the way I see our team, we have got several good roleplayers and players with great potential.

The way I see our team:

Roleplayers on a championship team:

Bradley
Crowder
Turner
Smart
Olynyk
Sullinger
Thomas
(Jerebko - but only as in a deep rotation, because he can play both SF and PF)
(Zeller - but onely with limited playing time, when a starter need a break)

Lottery
Young
Hunter
Mickey
Rozier

Players I don't think we should build around
Lee
Johnson

Both because they are too expensive to build around, and for Lee because he is too old.

[obnoxiousmime]

The 2nd round picks are just extra lottery tickets. The chances of getting a good NBA player are extremely low, but if you get someone solid, locking them up to an unfair 4-year low money deal with lots of team options provides a lot of flexibility. And every once in awhile a Draymond Green or Monta Ellis surprises coming out of the 2nd round.

Obviously we can't draft so many young players so I expect Ainge to either deal them for future picks or draft players who are planning/can be convinced to play in Europe or some other league for the time being. Otherwise, they could always be a little extra sweetener for some trades Ainge is bound to make to reshape the roster this season/offseason.

[BDeCosta26]

Well, the 2nd round picks have varying amounts of value. The unprotected 2nd from Philly, likely #31 or #32 is pretty valuable (probably more so than a 1st that ends up in the 25-30 range) because it's not necessary for you to sign guaranteed contracts for 2nd rounders and the talent level In the 31-35 range is normally pretty comparable to the talent level in the 25-30 range.

I think Ainge will likely try to put together some type of package of the Dallas pick, Our own pick, a couple good 2nds and maybe a player to get one 1st higher in the draft. If our pick and Dallas pick ends up being say, #16 and #19, we could possibly find a team that will take those two plus #31 and maybe a player for a higher pick in the 10-14 range. Or even try to combine it all with the Nets pick and move up a couple from where the Brooklyn pick stands.

[CFAN38]

Second rounders seem to hold most of their value as trade chips when making minor deal. Early 2nds are great ways to take a shot on a player who is a good/great college play but a perceived  low ceiling guy (D Green, Milsap) and Draft and Stash foreign prospects. The Spurs are the prime example of a team who has been able to use their institutional stability and patience to find talent in the form of draft and stash.

I personally think give the Cs abundance of 2nds DA should make it a point to take a flyer on at least one foreign draft and stash player each draft.

[the_gunner]

I think Ainge will likely try to put together some type of package of the Dallas pick, Our own pick, a couple good 2nds and maybe a player to get one 1st higher in the draft. If our pick and Dallas pick ends up being say, #16 and #19, we could possibly find a team that will take those two plus #31 and maybe a player for a higher pick in the 10-14 range. Or even try to combine it all with the Nets pick and move up a couple from where the Brooklyn pick stands.

But who would you think would be interested in that kind of a deal?

I'm just trying to figure out who we can hope to do trades with.

[mef730]

I think Ainge will likely try to put together some type of package of the Dallas pick, Our own pick, a couple good 2nds and maybe a player to get one 1st higher in the draft. If our pick and Dallas pick ends up being say, #16 and #19, we could possibly find a team that will take those two plus #31 and maybe a player for a higher pick in the 10-14 range. Or even try to combine it all with the Nets pick and move up a couple from where the Brooklyn pick stands.

But who would you think would be interested in that kind of a deal?

I'm just trying to figure out who we can hope to do trades with.

If we have #16 and #19, a second-rounder might be currency to a team at #13 or #14 who thinks the player they want in the draft will be available at #16, anyway.

After last year, I'm very wary of assuming that we'll be able to trade up in the draft. Each pick higher is getting valued exponentially (i.e., The difference between #5 and #6 is that much greater than the difference between #6 and #7.), and when I saw what DA (supposedly) offered up for #9 to Charlotte, I almost passed out. Fortunately for us, MJ was too intent on getting the Tank.

Mike

[BDeCosta26]

I think Ainge will likely try to put together some type of package of the Dallas pick, Our own pick, a couple good 2nds and maybe a player to get one 1st higher in the draft. If our pick and Dallas pick ends up being say, #16 and #19, we could possibly find a team that will take those two plus #31 and maybe a player for a higher pick in the 10-14 range. Or even try to combine it all with the Nets pick and move up a couple from where the Brooklyn pick stands.

But who would you think would be interested in that kind of a deal?

I'm just trying to figure out who we can hope to do trades with.

Really tough to say, considering how jumbles the middle of the pack is right now. But say the Bullets continue to disappoint and end up at #11. Your not gonna get a game changer there probably, they have cornerstone guys in the back-court but you need a few other pieces. Maybe you trade them #16, #31 and Olynyk for 11. Maybe Philly gets #2, we get #4, and they're wiling to make a deal since they didn't get Simmons and need so much help. Tough to say right now, because there is so much that can happen in a half a year. Hard to tell who will even end up where. But a lot of teams are looking to compete now. There will likely be some opportunities somewhere.

[CFAN38]

I think Ainge will likely try to put together some type of package of the Dallas pick, Our own pick, a couple good 2nds and maybe a player to get one 1st higher in the draft. If our pick and Dallas pick ends up being say, #16 and #19, we could possibly find a team that will take those two plus #31 and maybe a player for a higher pick in the 10-14 range. Or even try to combine it all with the Nets pick and move up a couple from where the Brooklyn pick stands.

But who would you think would be interested in that kind of a deal?

I'm just trying to figure out who we can hope to do trades with.

If we have #16 and #19, a second-rounder might be currency to a team at #13 or #14 who thinks the player they want in the draft will be available at #16, anyway.

After last year, I'm very wary of assuming that we'll be able to trade up in the draft. Each pick higher is getting valued exponentially (i.e., The difference between #5 and #6 is that much greater than the difference between #6 and #7.), and when I saw what DA (supposedly) offered up for #9 to Charlotte, I almost passed out. Fortunately for us, MJ was too intent on getting the Tank.

Mike

I agree after the last draft I worry that the value of picks my be lessened on draft day when teams get locked in on prospects. The Cs may be best served using their lower 1sts and 2nds at the deadline when the value may be perceived as greater.

[slamtheking]

I don't think there's a lot of value in the second rounders, particularly since we have so many.  at this point, they're basically throw-ins with the more valuable assets. 

having said that, I think Danny is probably better than the other GMs in finding that rare gem in the second round that can actually play in the league.  give him 4-5 shots at it in this coming draft and I suspect he'll come away with at least a couple of guys that may stick with the roster (assuming the majority aren't used on draft=and-stash players)

[rollie mass]

i hope the euro scouts are active looking for young european talent,
after the celts played in spain and italy we should have some fans-
last year i was soooo wrong about pozingis,i thought american power forwards would break him in two-i changed my tune early after a practice video either pre or post drafts

my son played premier league in england and had tournaments in spain and tenerife-his squad played barcelona and we had a kid leave and go to real madrid-these kids are skilled and great shooters-not as much creativity as americans but then there is rubio

[Emmette Bryant]

I've always assumed that if we keep the second rounders Danny will draft international players and stash them overseas for a few years.

[ssspence]

I don't think there's a lot of value in the second rounders, particularly since we have so many.  at this point, they're basically throw-ins with the more valuable assets. 

having said that, I think Danny is probably better than the other GMs in finding that rare gem in the second round that can actually play in the league.  give him 4-5 shots at it in this coming draft and I suspect he'll come away with at least a couple of guys that may stick with the roster (assuming the majority aren't used on draft=and-stash players)

There are 5 second rounders playing for the Cs right now, including 3 starters. And Ainge has a strong overall track record in the 2nd round.

Where he doesn't have a strong record, however, is in international scouting. I expect him to use some 2nds on intl players, and hopefully the need to do so will force the Cs to look more closely at European players than they usually do.

[hpantazo]

I think their highest value will come in using them to trade for a vet or two to fill out our supporting cast once we land our superstar this summer. Besides that, they don't have much value around the league and wouldn't help much in moving up in the draft. Ainge makes much, much better use of these picks when drafting than most other GMs, but we have too many young guys as is.

[littleteapot]

I think their highest value will come in using them to trade for a vet or two to fill out our supporting cast once we land our superstar this summer. Besides that, they don't have much value around the league and wouldn't help much in moving up in the draft. Ainge makes much, much better use of these picks when drafting than most other GMs, but we have too many young guys as is.

It doesn't seem to be hurting him much this season, but I'd still be worried about giving him a contract, mostly because of the weight. First of all, when it's not a contract year, we have no idea if he'll revert into the guy who can't play half the season and second, I think his weight is going to continue to wear on his joints and back and even if he can stay healthy this year, it will come back to haunt him.

[spikelovetheCelts]

I don't think there's a lot of value in the second rounders, particularly since we have so many.  at this point, they're basically throw-ins with the more valuable assets. 

having said that, I think Danny is probably better than the other GMs in finding that rare gem in the second round that can actually play in the league.  give him 4-5 shots at it in this coming draft and I suspect he'll come away with at least a couple of guys that may stick with the roster (assuming the majority aren't used on draft=and-stash players)

You can find a diamond if you look hard. Ginoboli Draymond, Jimmy Butler was a 30th. Crowder was second round pick. We don't need all our picks so we do need to group them into a deal. Or trade them for future picks at least.