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Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2015, 04:44:11 PM »

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How about Sullinger, Jerebko, and the Dallas 1st for Thad Young? 

Makes Nets worse this year, gives them additional future assets. 

Makes Celts better this year, gives them a productive power forward locked up at less annual money than Sullinger is likely to demand next summer.
You know Thad Young was traded for Kevin Garnett STRAIGHT UP last year right? He is not that valuable. Huge overpay and giving the one team we don't want to win additional assets. Dumb.

That KG trade was more about Minnesota acquiring a fan favorite and a veteran presence than anything else.

Trade was majorly in the Nets' favor.
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Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2015, 06:03:44 PM »

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How about Sullinger, Jerebko, and the Dallas 1st for Thad Young? 

Makes Nets worse this year, gives them additional future assets. 

Makes Celts better this year, gives them a productive power forward locked up at less annual money than Sullinger is likely to demand next summer.
You know Thad Young was traded for Kevin Garnett STRAIGHT UP last year right? He is not that valuable. Huge overpay and giving the one team we don't want to win additional assets. Dumb.

That KG trade was more about Minnesota acquiring a fan favorite and a veteran presence than anything else.

Trade was majorly in the Nets' favor.
Yes but they wouldn't have traded Wiggins for some memories. Young was expendable then, and expendable now. If he was worth all of that, maybe the nets would win some more games.
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Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2015, 06:19:58 PM »

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How about Sullinger, Jerebko, and the Dallas 1st for Thad Young? 

Makes Nets worse this year, gives them additional future assets. 

Makes Celts better this year, gives them a productive power forward locked up at less annual money than Sullinger is likely to demand next summer.
You know Thad Young was traded for Kevin Garnett STRAIGHT UP last year right? He is not that valuable. Huge overpay and giving the one team we don't want to win additional assets. Dumb.

That KG trade was more about Minnesota acquiring a fan favorite and a veteran presence than anything else.

Trade was majorly in the Nets' favor.
Yes but they wouldn't have traded Wiggins for some memories. Young was expendable then, and expendable now. If he was worth all of that, maybe the nets would win some more games.
The T-Wolves traded the Miami 1st to the Sixers in order to get Young.  They'd did so in order to improve their playoff chances.  However they suffered several early season injuries so they went into tank mode instead.  Trading Young was part of their tank and it had the byproduct of getting KG back.  There was absolutely no reason to trade Wiggins.  They were able to get him lots of minutes without hurting their tank effort. 

Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2015, 06:27:44 PM »

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How about Sullinger, Jerebko, and the Dallas 1st for Thad Young? 

Makes Nets worse this year, gives them additional future assets. 

Makes Celts better this year, gives them a productive power forward locked up at less annual money than Sullinger is likely to demand next summer.

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Celtics fans: Would you give the Nets our 1st and/or Dallas 1st for Thad Young?

That's an awful idea that he presented. Judging by things you have posted and the mere entertainment of that guy's ridiculous suggestion sounds like you think a lot higher of Nets players than pretty much the entire population does. Young is the second best player on the 3rd worst team in the NBA. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of his skills.

As for his trade value it's not that high. He's been on 3 teams in about 16 months and has been traded twice in that span.

Trade # 1... Sixers received 2016 1st Rd pick from Miami (likely in the 20's), Luc Mbah a Moute, and Shved

Trade # 2... Wolves received KG

Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2015, 07:33:38 PM »

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Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2015, 08:20:26 PM »

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No thank you.

This is because:

1) I have absolutely zero interest in acquiring an undersized PF who is a mediocre rebounder, can't defend the paint, and has an inconsistent outside shot

2) We have numerous unprotected Nets picks for the future, so giving them anything that potentialy improves them in the future (Sully, picks) is a conflict of interest

3) Adds yet another 'pretty good' player to a team that is already full of 'pretty good' players.  Why keep adding more mediocrity?

4) Does nothing to clear our logjam in the front court - why trade out one PF just to acquire another who is arguably not even an upgrade?

For his career Theddeus Young has averaged 16.4 Pts / 6.7 Reb / 1.8 Ast / 0.5 Blk Per 36 Minutes while shooting 50% / 32% / 69% - utterly mediocre numbers for an NBA PF, with his scoring and FG% being really the only numbers there that are even remotely respectable. 

He would instantly be the worst big man on our roster in terms of rebounding and rim protection - and by a LONG way. 

Not only is Thadeus Young NOT an upgrade over Sully, he's arguably not even an upgrade over Amir Johnson at the PF spot.

Really only makes sense int his league as a Small Forward, but the way Crowder is playing this year I couldn't even Young as an upgrade at the SF spot.  I mean lets be honest - Young has never really played on a team that's been anything more than a first round exit, and he's still put up mediocre stats his entire career.   

This is one of those moves that does nothing positive for us in the present day, since it's unikely that Young adds any wins to this team..  Yet it hurts us in the future because it gives the Nets more hope for the the future, hence reducing the potential value of our picks.

Absolutely ZERO incentive to make any trades at all with the Nets.  Why help bail them out of the hole they have gone and dug themselves in?  Let them live with their mistakes - it only helps our own fortune really.

If we're going to make a trade it has to be one that brings us either:

a) A star player or future star player
b) A player who fills a desperate need (e.g. rim protector)

There is no point at all in making trades just purely for the sake of making trades.  If the trade does not make us significantly better, no point in making it.
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Re: What about Thad Young?
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How about Sullinger, Jerebko, and the Dallas 1st for Thad Young? 

Makes Nets worse this year, gives them additional future assets. 

Makes Celts better this year, gives them a productive power forward locked up at less annual money than Sullinger is likely to demand next summer.


I'd rate Sully better than Thad this year.  it would help Brooklyn and I can't see a reason for that -- especially for another PF that doesn't really make us any better -- in fact this deal would make us worse

Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2015, 08:58:55 PM »

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How about Sullinger, Jerebko, and the Dallas 1st for Thad Young? 

Makes Nets worse this year, gives them additional future assets. 

Makes Celts better this year, gives them a productive power forward locked up at less annual money than Sullinger is likely to demand next summer.
You know Thad Young was traded for Kevin Garnett STRAIGHT UP last year right? He is not that valuable. Huge overpay and giving the one team we don't want to win additional assets. Dumb.

That KG trade was more about Minnesota acquiring a fan favorite and a veteran presence than anything else.

Trade was majorly in the Nets' favor.
Yes but they wouldn't have traded Wiggins for some memories. Young was expendable then, and expendable now. If he was worth all of that, maybe the nets would win some more games.
The T-Wolves traded the Miami 1st to the Sixers in order to get Young.  They'd did so in order to improve their playoff chances.  However they suffered several early season injuries so they went into tank mode instead.  Trading Young was part of their tank and it had the byproduct of getting KG back.  There was absolutely no reason to trade Wiggins.  They were able to get him lots of minutes without hurting their tank effort.
Exactly. If he was traded for the Miami 1st, why would we have to give up the Dallas 1st, Sully, and Jerekbo? Way too much. Doesn't make sense. Especially to the team we want to see lose.
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Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2015, 09:25:39 PM »

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How about Sullinger, Jerebko, and the Dallas 1st for Thad Young? 

Makes Nets worse this year, gives them additional future assets. 

Makes Celts better this year, gives them a productive power forward locked up at less annual money than Sullinger is likely to demand next summer.
You know Thad Young was traded for Kevin Garnett STRAIGHT UP last year right? He is not that valuable. Huge overpay and giving the one team we don't want to win additional assets. Dumb.

That KG trade was more about Minnesota acquiring a fan favorite and a veteran presence than anything else.

Trade was majorly in the Nets' favor.
Yes but they wouldn't have traded Wiggins for some memories. Young was expendable then, and expendable now. If he was worth all of that, maybe the nets would win some more games.
The T-Wolves traded the Miami 1st to the Sixers in order to get Young.  They'd did so in order to improve their playoff chances.  However they suffered several early season injuries so they went into tank mode instead.  Trading Young was part of their tank and it had the byproduct of getting KG back.  There was absolutely no reason to trade Wiggins.  They were able to get him lots of minutes without hurting their tank effort.
Exactly. If he was traded for the Miami 1st, why would we have to give up the Dallas 1st, Sully, and Jerekbo? Way too much. Doesn't make sense. Especially to the team we want to see lose.

Agreed.

If anything I would consider:

Sully + Lee for Young

or

Mavs 1st + Lee for Young

Honestly, even those deals are 50/50 to me, simply because I don't think Thed Young fits this team at all.  His mediocre passing ability and mediocre outside shooting doesn't really fit with the "pace and space" system Brad loves so much, yet his lack of rebounding and rim protection doesn't help us cover those deficiencies either.

Just feels like the type of player who would not fit in at all on this team.

IMHO Crowder is as good as Young right now, so if you want to go with a smaller and more mobile front court why not just move Crowder to the PF spot?  Then try and move Sully and the Mavs pick for a proper Small Foraward, which is (IMHO) a much more pressing need.

I'm not sure I value Young over the $15M or so cap space we get when Lee walks after this season ends, yet I think Lee would be a necessary in any Young trade...so I think I'd just refuse it altogether.
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Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2015, 09:45:09 PM »

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Re: What about Thad Young?
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2015, 12:54:47 AM »

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Makes Celts better this year.

It does?

Sure it does.  Thad Young is a better and more consistent offensive player than Sullinger.  Much longer track record of putting up solid games, too.



One thing to consider also is that Young would eat more of our salary cap next off season than Sullinger would regardless of how much you end up paying Sully in the end.

This is a good point.  My position on this is that I don't really care about the Celts' cap space.  I don't think any major pieces are coming here in FA until we get a major piece by trade or the draft first.

Not sure if serious insofar as the proposed Young trade, but it made for a good laugh, I'll give you that.

I do, however, agree with you completely in regards to cap space.  The argument before last summer, iirc, was that Boston has never had the cap space necessary to sign such high-level talents and that the results of the summer would settle the debate, and, surprise, surprise (sarcasm), no one, not even an excellent option like Wesley Matthews, came here, but people still cling to the notion that top-tier free agents will somehow be enticed to don the green, so whatever, lol. 

There is another way to look at the situation, though, imo.  Say that we trade Lee, Crowder, and Jerebko for Joe Johnson.  Just hear me out on this one.  We wouldn't be getting the Joe Johnson of even 2 years ago, but he'd easily be the best passer on our team and can also post up and come off picks, etc., just don't make him have to create his own shot all the time like Hollins still has him doing in Brooklyn.  The idea here is more in terms of money, IF you want to go down that road, because, combined with Amir's deal, that's almost $37 off the books for next year, giving us around $30 million in cap space.  That way, if we decide to trade for a guy making a lot of money, the salaries don't have to match, making things considerably easier for both sides, especially if the other team would be receiving expirings and/or guys still on rookie deals.  Am I making any sense, money-wise?