Does KO have mentality to succeed?

[Celtics18]

I couldn't agree more with the guy from Red's Army.

[footey]

I have never gotten the love for Olynyk on this site. He's a good shooter that can be streaky, is a too passer, and has a great handle for a big man. But, he is a big man that is a bad rebounder(and getting worse every year), is not a rim protector, is not gifted athletically, has only now gotten to the point where his defense is decent overall, is inconsistent, shows confidence problems and for his usage rate turns the ball over more than.

It's hard to argue he is really all that much better now than he was when he came into the league. He
Has probably reached his ceiling as a role playing offensive oriented big man. He is probably getting as much playing time as he deserves and come playoff time will probably see limited action again because the playoffs are a more physical beans of ball that Olynyk has major problems with.

I think people just need to accept that Olynyk is what he is and isn't suddenly going to materialize into something much better. He's a decent piece to have, nothing more.

So many people on this forum have preconceived bias against him it's amazing.  He is not a bad rebounder relative to his position thats just being uninformed as to what you should expect from a stretch PF/C that spends most of his time on the perimeter.  His rim protection #'s are actually very solid.  He does not turn the ball over at a high rate especially when you consider how much he facilitates the offense, inbounds the ball, and sets screens that all can lead to T.O.. Most of his inconsistency is actually just low usage.  LOL at him not being improved that is just nonsense.

Preconceived bias runs both ways and it's pretty obvious which way yours runs. Olynyk is not a good rebounder. Check out his rebounding percentage numbers (10.4% for. TR%). They are putrid for a man of his size. His defensive rebounding percentage(just 15%)you know when he would be under the basket a lot, is not good in the least for a man of his size.

His turnover rate, 14%, is high given his usage rate, 21%. His assist to turnover ratio is (1.5/1.3) Isn't good. These things are easy to see.

Now add to that the fact that his Per36 numbers are about the same except that his rebounding has fallen off considerably and his steals have gotten considerably better, it's also easy to see his game has stagnated.

He was pulled from the playoffs last year because he is too soft. He hasn't been given any chance at starting simply because he hasn't been consistent or good enough. His minutes aren't being yanked around. He is playing what he deserves to play.

Nick, You never liked the guy, I get it. But to say that he has not shown improvement, especially this season, is flat out wrong.You can see how his teammates look to him much more often. You can see how he has improved considerably on defense. On offense, he has gotten much more confident in his decision making. He is a very unselfish player. He will never be a star, on large part, because he does not have the ego it takes to play like one.  He is, however, a great team-mate, a real contributor on this current team. I could see him being an important player on a team that competes for it all down the road.

[ThePaintedArea]

I have never gotten the love for Olynyk on this site. He's a good shooter that can be streaky, is a too passer, and has a great handle for a big man. But, he is a big man that is a bad rebounder(and getting worse every year), is not a rim protector, is not gifted athletically, has only now gotten to the point where his defense is decent overall, is inconsistent, shows confidence problems and for his usage rate turns the ball over more than.

It's hard to argue he is really all that much better now than he was when he came into the league. He
Has probably reached his ceiling as a role playing offensive oriented big man. He is probably getting as much playing time as he deserves and come playoff time will probably see limited action again because the playoffs are a more physical beans of ball that Olynyk has major problems with.

I think people just need to accept that Olynyk is what he is and isn't suddenly going to materialize into something much better. He's a decent piece to have, nothing more.

So many people on this forum have preconceived bias against him it's amazing.  He is not a bad rebounder relative to his position thats just being uninformed as to what you should expect from a stretch PF/C that spends most of his time on the perimeter.  His rim protection #'s are actually very solid.  He does not turn the ball over at a high rate especially when you consider how much he facilitates the offense, inbounds the ball, and sets screens that all can lead to T.O.. Most of his inconsistency is actually just low usage.  LOL at him not being improved that is just nonsense.

 On the whole, I am with Oracle here. Kelly is a plus at both ends of the floor. Advanced statistics love him – he was the best Celtic last year, according to real plus minus – probably because of his great feel for the game and for  consistently being in the right spot at the right time. 

He has great hands and instincts, which translate into steals, and has obviously done a lot of work on his body.

His rebounding, on the other hand, is a weakness, and he is foul-prone. The squad needs better defensive rebounding, and he would add a lot to the team, and to his own value, if he could up his production in that area. Actually, it's remarkable that such a young team that rebounds so poorly on the defensive end could be one of the top defensive teams in the league.  Kelly is one of the big reasons why.

Going forward, he's clearly a key player, one of the core group. Of course, no one is untouchable.