Does KO have mentality to succeed?

[The Oracle]

I have never gotten the love for Olynyk on this site. He's a good shooter that can be streaky, is a too passer, and has a great handle for a big man. But, he is a big man that is a bad rebounder(and getting worse every year), is not a rim protector, is not gifted athletically, has only now gotten to the point where his defense is decent overall, is inconsistent, shows confidence problems and for his usage rate turns the ball over more than.

It's hard to argue he is really all that much better now than he was when he came into the league. He
Has probably reached his ceiling as a role playing offensive oriented big man. He is probably getting as much playing time as he deserves and come playoff time will probably see limited action again because the playoffs are a more physical beans of ball that Olynyk has major problems with.

I think people just need to accept that Olynyk is what he is and isn't suddenly going to materialize into something much better. He's a decent piece to have, nothing more.

So many people on this forum have preconceived bias against him it's amazing.  He is not a bad rebounder relative to his position thats just being uninformed as to what you should expect from a stretch PF/C that spends most of his time on the perimeter.  His rim protection #'s are actually very solid.  He does not turn the ball over at a high rate especially when you consider how much he facilitates the offense, inbounds the ball, and sets screens that all can lead to T.O.. Most of his inconsistency is actually just low usage.  LOL at him not being improved that is just nonsense.

[oldtype]

I have never gotten the love for Olynyk on this site. He's a good shooter that can be streaky, is a too passer, and has a great handle for a big man. But, he is a big man that is a bad rebounder(and getting worse every year), is not a rim protector, is not gifted athletically, has only now gotten to the point where his defense is decent overall, is inconsistent, shows confidence problems and for his usage rate turns the ball over more than.

It's hard to argue he is really all that much better now than he was when he came into the league. He
Has probably reached his ceiling as a role playing offensive oriented big man. He is probably getting as much playing time as he deserves and come playoff time will probably see limited action again because the playoffs are a more physical beans of ball that Olynyk has major problems with.

I think people just need to accept that Olynyk is what he is and isn't suddenly going to materialize into something much better. He's a decent piece to have, nothing more.

So many people on this forum have preconceived bias against him it's amazing.  He is not a bad rebounder relative to his position thats just being uninformed as to what you should expect from a stretch PF/C that spends most of his time on the perimeter.  His rim protection #'s are actually very solid.  He does not turn the ball over at a high rate especially when you consider how much he facilitates the offense, inbounds the ball, and sets screens that all can lead to T.O.. Most of his inconsistency is actually just low usage.  LOL at him not being improved that is just nonsense.

There are a lot of things you could criticize Olynyk for. "He hasn't improved" isn't one of them.

[littleteapot]

The Celtics got killed in the minutes K.O. was on the floor in that game.  But this game is a great example of how K.O. gets blamed for other players crappy defense.  K.O. actually shared the court with McBob the entire time he was on the floor and shared the court with Bosh for 7 minutes.  Bosh torched David Lee, took Amir off the dribble once, got fouled and made 2 FT's on Jerebko and scored 12 points while K.O. was on the floor.  None of these points were scored on him except a possession at the start of the 4th qtr. where Lee gets beat badly by Bosh and K.O. comes over from the weak side and forces him baseline and makes a great layup from behind the hoop(the only bucket K.O. is marked for in this game).  McBob scored 2 pts. a jumper on Lee during the minutes K.O. was on the floor. There was some horrible defense played while he was on the floor by I.T. and Lee.  K.O. guarded McBob most of the time with a few possessions defending Winslow and played very solid defense.
 
  K.O. defends the perimeter very well!  There should be no fear at all with him defending Bosh or McBob.

Regardless it's an example of a situation when you would rather put someone else in over Olynyk. Do you think the C's should have just run him out for 20 minutes in that game and hoped that he found some scoring opportunities? Even with the best bench players in the league, you're not always going to have a good situation to get extended minutes in every game, and you're expected to get in your groove right away. I still don't buy the excuse that Olynyk has inconsistent games because we monkey with his minutes.

[nickagneta]

I have never gotten the love for Olynyk on this site. He's a good shooter that can be streaky, is a too passer, and has a great handle for a big man. But, he is a big man that is a bad rebounder(and getting worse every year), is not a rim protector, is not gifted athletically, has only now gotten to the point where his defense is decent overall, is inconsistent, shows confidence problems and for his usage rate turns the ball over more than.

It's hard to argue he is really all that much better now than he was when he came into the league. He
Has probably reached his ceiling as a role playing offensive oriented big man. He is probably getting as much playing time as he deserves and come playoff time will probably see limited action again because the playoffs are a more physical beans of ball that Olynyk has major problems with.

I think people just need to accept that Olynyk is what he is and isn't suddenly going to materialize into something much better. He's a decent piece to have, nothing more.

So many people on this forum have preconceived bias against him it's amazing.  He is not a bad rebounder relative to his position thats just being uninformed as to what you should expect from a stretch PF/C that spends most of his time on the perimeter.  His rim protection #'s are actually very solid.  He does not turn the ball over at a high rate especially when you consider how much he facilitates the offense, inbounds the ball, and sets screens that all can lead to T.O.. Most of his inconsistency is actually just low usage.  LOL at him not being improved that is just nonsense.

Preconceived bias runs both ways and it's pretty obvious which way yours runs. Olynyk is not a good rebounder. Check out his rebounding percentage numbers (10.4% for. TR%). They are putrid for a man of his size. His defensive rebounding percentage(just 15%)you know when he would be under the basket a lot, is not good in the least for a man of his size.

His turnover rate, 14%, is high given his usage rate, 21%. His assist to turnover ratio is (1.5/1.3) Isn't good. These things are easy to see.

Now add to that the fact that his Per36 numbers are about the same except that his rebounding has fallen off considerably and his steals have gotten considerably better, it's also easy to see his game has stagnated.

He was pulled from the playoffs last year because he is too soft. He hasn't been given any chance at starting simply because he hasn't been consistent or good enough. His minutes aren't being yanked around. He is playing what he deserves to play.

[The Oracle]

I have never gotten the love for Olynyk on this site. He's a good shooter that can be streaky, is a too passer, and has a great handle for a big man. But, he is a big man that is a bad rebounder(and getting worse every year), is not a rim protector, is not gifted athletically, has only now gotten to the point where his defense is decent overall, is inconsistent, shows confidence problems and for his usage rate turns the ball over more than.

It's hard to argue he is really all that much better now than he was when he came into the league. He
Has probably reached his ceiling as a role playing offensive oriented big man. He is probably getting as much playing time as he deserves and come playoff time will probably see limited action again because the playoffs are a more physical beans of ball that Olynyk has major problems with.

I think people just need to accept that Olynyk is what he is and isn't suddenly going to materialize into something much better. He's a decent piece to have, nothing more.

So many people on this forum have preconceived bias against him it's amazing.  He is not a bad rebounder relative to his position thats just being uninformed as to what you should expect from a stretch PF/C that spends most of his time on the perimeter.  His rim protection #'s are actually very solid.  He does not turn the ball over at a high rate especially when you consider how much he facilitates the offense, inbounds the ball, and sets screens that all can lead to T.O.. Most of his inconsistency is actually just low usage.  LOL at him not being improved that is just nonsense.

Preconceived bias runs both ways and it's pretty obvious which way yours runs. Olynyk is not a good rebounder. Check out his rebounding percentage numbers (10.4% for. TR%). They are putrid for a man of his size. His defensive rebounding percentage(just 15%)you know when he would be under the basket a lot, is not good in the least for a man of his size.

His turnover rate, 14%, is high given his usage rate, 21%. His assist to turnover ratio is (1.5/1.3) Isn't good. These things are easy to see.

Now add to that the fact that his Per36 numbers are about the same except that his rebounding has fallen off considerably and his steals have gotten considerably better, it's also easy to see his game has stagnated.

He was pulled from the playoffs last year because he is too soft. He hasn't been given any chance at starting simply because he hasn't been consistent or good enough. His minutes aren't being yanked around. He is playing what he deserves to play.

  I am not going to go into great detail trying to explain this.  You expect a C/PF that is spending as much time on the perimeter as a SG/SF to rebound like a C.  PF rebounding #'s appear to be dropping league wide over the last few years on both ends of the floor.  This is because they are being utilized on the perimeter on the Off. end much more and likewise on the defensive end having to defend the perimeter much more and further from the hoop.  Reb. % numbers do not in any way tell the whole story.  There are a bunch of factors to consider and individual teams and players expectations should be entirely different.  K.O. is an extreme example, last year the C's took 198 more shots than their Opponents when he was on the floor missing 93 of them.  This naturally skews reb. #'s and %'s in opponents favor.
 
  As far as turnover and assist #'s once again you must consider many other factors.  As I stated above he is not being put into positions to create assists handling the ball 25 feet from the basket facilitating the offense.  He is however being put in a lot of positions to create turnovers setting screens by the millions, inbounding the ball and handling the ball while facilitating the offense.  Context matters greatly and statistics rarely tell even half the true story.

  As for the playoff comment the C's were +4 through the 1st 2 games with K.O. on the floor and -2 for the series in 53 minutes.  He had a Def. FG% of 25% opponents were 4-16 shooting against him, as good as anyone in the playoffs.  Bass however was -43 in 86 minutes.  Thinking K.O. was sat for performance reasons is nonsense.

[Eja117]

All I know is that eja shall refrain from disparaging KO for the time being. KO seems very different all of a sudden.

[Eja117]

Although he did just tip in Melo's shot

[hwangjini_1]

Although he did just tip in Melo's shot

i guess its that scorer mentality taking over. 

[SHAQATTACK]

It's coming slow

I still hold out hope

The Kobe gene kinks in ..LOL

[MSceltic]

We are 13-2 when KO plays 20+ minutes so that's something

[jambr380]

I loved the way KO played tonight - he certainly got ripped off on some assists (missed baskets by teammates), but was in total control out there and you have to love some of the rebounds he pulled down.

I get it, he is probably not going to be Dirk, but when he doesn't take a backseat to the other players on the floor, he really is dangerous as a shooter, driver, and facilitator on offense. I just want to see him remain active on both ends of the floor.

[spikelovetheCelts]

We are 13-2 when KO plays 20+ minutes so that's something

He has it to succeed. Superstar maybe not. 1 time All-star possible. Not Many Stretch 5 like him. His game is fun and dreamy for fan to watch.

[BudweiserCeltic]

We are 13-2 when KO plays 20+ minutes so that's something

He has it to succeed. Superstar maybe not. 1 time All-star possible. Not Many Stretch 5 like him. His game is fun and dreamy for fan to watch.

He isn't really playing the role of stretch 5, but of a stretch 4.

But he's been quite good this month particularly as of late.

[Monkhouse]

When KO scores over 11 points, we're 11-2.

One of the losses came from GSW, and he dropped 28 (?)

[greece66]

Mentality is an obscure concept and very hard to discuss.

Results on the other hand are easier to discuss and compare.

The good thing with Kelly is that he is young (24), already has a good combination of skills and is working on his weaknesses: his D and boxing out are better than last season.

He is not there yet: there is a big margin of improvement (not a bad thing for a young player) and he is often ridden with fouls very fast (whether this is his fault or the refs' doesnt matter much now- it does hurt the team). And yes, it would be great if he could score closer to the basket too... but for the most part I like what I see.

Below is a recent article on Kelly and his trade value that has some interesting stats:

http://redsarmy.com/2015/12/28/i-called-kelly-olynyk-borderline-untouchable-and-heres-why/