Ty lawson on block

[Snakehead]

It sucks the way this one turned out. I thought Houston were ready to take the next step forward after acquiring Ty Lawson. Last piece of the puzzle.

Yeah, a bit surprising, but in hindsight, a guy like Avery Bradley would be a MUCH better fit - great defender, very good shooter, and doesn't need the ball to be effective. Lawson is a pass-first PG and is totally unnecessary when Harden has the ball so often.

Harden is a straight up better PG in my opinion even when scoring like he does.  Not that Lawson isn't good when he's good but Harden is incredible and I think you want him doing all the ball handling for the guards.  If that team needs something, it's a strong wing player who can catch, shoot, and defend.

[ssspence]

Possible destinations:

Brooklyn = good buy low opportunity for talent starved team
Utah = need a PG to complete core
Milwaukee = a swap for MCW?
Indiana = form a three guard backcourt of Lawson, Hill and Monta. Deadly small ball backcourt.

No way for Nets to match salaries unless they trade Young, which would just create another void.  Jack is owed money next year, so Houston wouldn't be interested, and Nets would need to send another $6 mil over unless they want to wind up in the tax to still miss the playoffs.

I wonder if Houston would do:

Ty Lawson + Terrence Jones for Thaddeus Young + maybe Shane Larkin (depending on his injury status).

Brooklyn get T.Jones to replace Thad Young. An upgrade at PG. Houston gets a more consistent option at PF who is comfortable starting or coming off the bench as a 6th man (once Motiejunas returns).

I don't think so.  Three non-basketball reasons:

1) Young can't be traded until January 15th.  I'm fairly sure Houston wants Lawson out ASAP.
2) Such a deal would push Brookyln over the luxury tax by a million or so (and that's including Larkin -- Young alone doesn't make enough to match Lawson and Jones).  Doesn't make sense since Brookyln still misses the playoffs.
3) Houston wants to keep themselves in the game for Durant.  Taking on $12 million in salary next year (Young) doesn't help that goal.

And Jones is getting traded to HOU in the M. Morris deal.

[celticsclay]

A few things. I know this is speculation, but you wonder what impact Ty Lawson's drinking has had on his longevity in the league. Ty Lawson has had alcohol related run-ins with the law for a looong time. He actually has 4 DUI's in his life.

He was charged with drinking and driving while at UNC
He was charged with a seprate incident in Missouri several years later (date of not arrest was not given)
He then had one in Denver last January and over the summer in LA
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-nuggets-ty-lawson-arrest-20150714-story.html

It is actually a little mind-blowing this guy doesn't have to serve serious jail time after this many incidents. I think he may slip through the cracks to some degree because each state has different rules and he has DUI's in 4 different states (whereas if he got 4 all in arizona it would be very different). But back to basketball, if someone is getting 4 DUI's over a 6-7 years period it is not like they were just drinking 4 times. The overwelming majority of DUI's do not get caught, so to get 4 of them seems he is either the unluckiest person in the world or just driving wasted all the time. I'll also throw it out there that Vin Bakers numbers fell dramatically after his age 28 season.
I would not be surprised if Lawson is just done being anything more than a bench player. 

[Tr1boy]

And he can stay there. Has turned into a garbage player

[snively]

Possible destinations:

Brooklyn = good buy low opportunity for talent starved team
Utah = need a PG to complete core
Milwaukee = a swap for MCW?
Indiana = form a three guard backcourt of Lawson, Hill and Monta. Deadly small ball backcourt.

No way for Nets to match salaries unless they trade Young, which would just create another void.  Jack is owed money next year, so Houston wouldn't be interested, and Nets would need to send another $6 mil over unless they want to wind up in the tax to still miss the playoffs.

I wonder if Houston would do:

Ty Lawson + Terrence Jones for Thaddeus Young + maybe Shane Larkin (depending on his injury status).

Brooklyn get T.Jones to replace Thad Young. An upgrade at PG. Houston gets a more consistent option at PF who is comfortable starting or coming off the bench as a 6th man (once Motiejunas returns).

Hard to see Brooklyn giving up Thad for a guy struggling as bad as Lawson. They spent the offseason selling fans on him as a part of their core. Billy King loves him. I'd think their offer would be Jack (only owed $500k next year) and Karasev, but that would probably put them over the luxury tax.

I think it will be very difficult for Brooklyn to make trades this season. They don't want to add salary next year, they are right up against the tax threshold this year and don't want to pay, they only have one mid-sized, movable deal with Jack, and they don't have any picks as sweeteners (not even second rounders!).

[Who]

Possible destinations:

Brooklyn = good buy low opportunity for talent starved team
Utah = need a PG to complete core
Milwaukee = a swap for MCW?
Indiana = form a three guard backcourt of Lawson, Hill and Monta. Deadly small ball backcourt.

No way for Nets to match salaries unless they trade Young, which would just create another void.  Jack is owed money next year, so Houston wouldn't be interested, and Nets would need to send another $6 mil over unless they want to wind up in the tax to still miss the playoffs.

I wonder if Houston would do:

Ty Lawson + Terrence Jones for Thaddeus Young + maybe Shane Larkin (depending on his injury status).

Brooklyn get T.Jones to replace Thad Young. An upgrade at PG. Houston gets a more consistent option at PF who is comfortable starting or coming off the bench as a 6th man (once Motiejunas returns).

Hard to see Brooklyn giving up Thad for a guy struggling as bad as Lawson. They spent the offseason selling fans on him as a part of their core. Billy King loves him. I'd think their offer would be Jack (only owed $500k next year) and Karasev, but that would probably put them over the luxury tax.

I think it will be very difficult for Brooklyn to make trades this season. They don't want to add salary next year, they are right up against the tax threshold this year and don't want to pay, they only have one mid-sized, movable deal with Jack, and they don't have any picks as sweeteners (not even second rounders!).

I would trade Thaddeus Young for Terrence Jones. Getting Ty Lawson is a bonus.

I think T.Young is only a little better than T.Jones. T.Jones is younger and has more upside. I don't think it will be long until T.Jones surpasses T.Young. Better for Brooklyn's rebuild.

I think Houston are making a big mistake trying to move Terrence Jones. Good player.

[Who]

A few things. I know this is speculation, but you wonder what impact Ty Lawson's drinking has had on his longevity in the league. Ty Lawson has had alcohol related run-ins with the law for a looong time. He actually has 4 DUI's in his life.

He was charged with drinking and driving while at UNC
He was charged with a seprate incident in Missouri several years later (date of not arrest was not given)
He then had one in Denver last January and over the summer in LA
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-nuggets-ty-lawson-arrest-20150714-story.html

It is actually a little mind-blowing this guy doesn't have to serve serious jail time after this many incidents. I think he may slip through the cracks to some degree because each state has different rules and he has DUI's in 4 different states (whereas if he got 4 all in arizona it would be very different). But back to basketball, if someone is getting 4 DUI's over a 6-7 years period it is not like they were just drinking 4 times. The overwelming majority of DUI's do not get caught, so to get 4 of them seems he is either the unluckiest person in the world or just driving wasted all the time. I'll also throw it out there that Vin Bakers numbers fell dramatically after his age 28 season.
I would not be surprised if Lawson is just done being anything more than a bench player.

Worrying that Lawson didn't take advantage of this 2nd chance in Houston. Playing for a team that could have been a legitimate title contender too. Just threw it away.

I can't help but think of Vin Baker too.

It will be very interesting to see how low Ty Lawson's trade value has fallen to now. It's hard to see Houston getting anything of good value for Lawson. I think a good bench player is about as much as they can expect. Maybe a late first and cap makeweight.

[snively]

Possible destinations:

Brooklyn = good buy low opportunity for talent starved team
Utah = need a PG to complete core
Milwaukee = a swap for MCW?
Indiana = form a three guard backcourt of Lawson, Hill and Monta. Deadly small ball backcourt.

No way for Nets to match salaries unless they trade Young, which would just create another void.  Jack is owed money next year, so Houston wouldn't be interested, and Nets would need to send another $6 mil over unless they want to wind up in the tax to still miss the playoffs.

I wonder if Houston would do:

Ty Lawson + Terrence Jones for Thaddeus Young + maybe Shane Larkin (depending on his injury status).

Brooklyn get T.Jones to replace Thad Young. An upgrade at PG. Houston gets a more consistent option at PF who is comfortable starting or coming off the bench as a 6th man (once Motiejunas returns).

Hard to see Brooklyn giving up Thad for a guy struggling as bad as Lawson. They spent the offseason selling fans on him as a part of their core. Billy King loves him. I'd think their offer would be Jack (only owed $500k next year) and Karasev, but that would probably put them over the luxury tax.

I think it will be very difficult for Brooklyn to make trades this season. They don't want to add salary next year, they are right up against the tax threshold this year and don't want to pay, they only have one mid-sized, movable deal with Jack, and they don't have any picks as sweeteners (not even second rounders!).

I would trade Thaddeus Young for Terrence Jones. Getting Ty Lawson is a bonus.

I think T.Young is only a little better than T.Jones. T.Jones is younger and has more upside. I don't think it will be long until T.Jones surpasses T.Young. Better for Brooklyn's rebuild.

I think Houston are making a big mistake trying to move Terrence Jones. Good player.

Hmmm. With Jones' RFA cap hold instead of Young's $12 mil, Brooklyn would also have more FA money to spend.

[Big333223]

A few things. I know this is speculation, but you wonder what impact Ty Lawson's drinking has had on his longevity in the league. Ty Lawson has had alcohol related run-ins with the law for a looong time. He actually has 4 DUI's in his life.

He was charged with drinking and driving while at UNC
He was charged with a seprate incident in Missouri several years later (date of not arrest was not given)
He then had one in Denver last January and over the summer in LA
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-nuggets-ty-lawson-arrest-20150714-story.html

It is actually a little mind-blowing this guy doesn't have to serve serious jail time after this many incidents. I think he may slip through the cracks to some degree because each state has different rules and he has DUI's in 4 different states (whereas if he got 4 all in arizona it would be very different). But back to basketball, if someone is getting 4 DUI's over a 6-7 years period it is not like they were just drinking 4 times. The overwelming majority of DUI's do not get caught, so to get 4 of them seems he is either the unluckiest person in the world or just driving wasted all the time. I'll also throw it out there that Vin Bakers numbers fell dramatically after his age 28 season.
I would not be surprised if Lawson is just done being anything more than a bench player.

Worrying that Lawson didn't take advantage of this 2nd chance in Houston. Playing for a team that could have been a legitimate title contender too. Just threw it away.

I can't help but think of Vin Baker too.

It will be very interesting to see how low Ty Lawson's trade value has fallen to now. It's hard to see Houston getting anything of good value for Lawson. I think a good bench player is about as much as they can expect. Maybe a late first and cap makeweight.

I feel like it has to be related. If he really had a problem and is trying to quit, that has a huge impact on your mind and body that would make it difficult to continue playing a professional sport at a high level.

I thought Lawson had a good chance to be Houston's bench leader and contribute in a big way as their second ballhandler. I wouldn't be surprised, though, if he rebounded next season somewhere else if he gets his sobriety under control and can focus on ball.