official 2016 top ten draft order thread

[wiley]

I think Chad Ford's current top 10 is very close.

Ford:
1.Simmons
2.Ingram
3.Bender
4.Skal
5.Brown
6.Ellenson
7.Poeltl
8.Murray
9.Dunn
10.Korkmaz

I would just put Murray and Dunn in some order at 7 and 8, Korkmaz at 9 and Poeltl at 10. 

Skal safer but Bender too much potential.  Ellenson currently underrated by most draft boards imo.  Ingram the clear second and actually would fit some teams better than Simmons (if he keeps shooting the 3 well).  I think the Celtics and Pelicans would love to add Ingram, and might trade Simmons for Ingram plus whatever else they can get.  LA might also go for Ingram.  Philly and Minny should go for Simmons (of course any team thrilled with Simmons if it works out that way).  Poeltl will lose some of his allure closer to the draft.  He might get knocked out of the top 10 by Diallo, Jones or a scorer.

Just found it interesting that I agreed with Ford's top 6. 

[Evantime34]

It's imperative we get in the top 5 with the Brooklyn pick.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I have to say I'm pretty down on Bender and the way things are going, he reminds me of the way people hyped Dante Exum.  Euros are undervalued as a whole, which is a pretty big market inefficiency, but I feel like it's because people value all the leagues the same.  However, the Spanish, Italian, Greek, French and German leagues are way different than the Israeli and Australian leagues. 

If someone is 17 years old and playing 15 mpg in the Spanish league, it means very good scouts vetted them and a very good coach has been developing them.  Then, they beat out some of the best basketball players in the world for minutes and are competing against professional, grown men every night.  If someone is playing in the Australian league at 17, it means that they are tall.

Bender is in the Israeli league, which is better than the Australian league, but not by much.  Here is a misleading headlined article from December 7th that says, "Dragan Bender Shines in Maccabi Victory"

http://upsidemotor.com/2015/12/07/euroleague-week-8-dragan-bender-shines-maccabi-nba-draft/

But then you read the actual article and the big deal is that he actually played 17 whole minutes. So here are his real stats: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

He's averaging 1.22 FGM in 11 minutes a game. 

Here are Porzingis' stats from the Spanish League last year: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kristaps-Porzingis/Summary/32861?skip_search=porzingis#International

He was averaging 4 FGM in 21.7 mpg, while averaging about 5 rpg on top of that.  This was done in a league that is better than the NCAAM, while the Israeli league that Bender plays in is pretty much abject garbage.  Maccabi is the only decent Israeli team in the Euroleague, but they're still pretty bad.

So I just don't see how Bender's size is going to make up for the fact that he totally stinks right now.  His wingspan is average anyways and he doesn't really seem to have much feel for the game at all.  I don't know why you wouldn't draft Poeltl or Jaylen Brown over him at the very least.

[hwangjini_1]

It's imperative we get in the top 5 with the Brooklyn pick.

so you are suggesting someone from cb run over lopez's foot? 

[Evantime34]

It's imperative we get in the top 5 with the Brooklyn pick.

so you are suggesting someone from cb run over lopez's foot? 

Oh course not, I would never advocate for an injury...

Now if someone wanted to pull a Celtics pride and kidnap him I wouldn't argue.

I think Brooklyn is probably the 3rd worst team in the NBA because the Pelicans should improve once everyone is 100%. In terms of skill they are probably closer to a late lottery team than the Sixers or Lakers but I think they are the worst of the next tier after Philly and LA.

[Evantime34]

I have to say I'm pretty down on Bender and the way things are going, he reminds me of the way people hyped Dante Exum.  Euros are undervalued as a whole, which is a pretty big market inefficiency, but I feel like it's because people value all the leagues the same.  However, the Spanish, Italian, Greek, French and German leagues are way different than the Israeli and Australian leagues. 

If someone is 17 years old and playing 15 mpg in the Spanish league, it means very good scouts vetted them and a very good coach has been developing them.  Then, they beat out some of the best basketball players in the world for minutes and are competing against professional, grown men every night.  If someone is playing in the Australian league at 17, it means that they are tall.

Bender is in the Israeli league, which is better than the Australian league, but not by much.  Here is a misleading headlined article from December 7th that says, "Dragan Bender Shines in Maccabi Victory"

http://upsidemotor.com/2015/12/07/euroleague-week-8-dragan-bender-shines-maccabi-nba-draft/

But then you read the actual article and the big deal is that he actually played 17 whole minutes. So here are his real stats: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

He's averaging 1.22 FGM in 11 minutes a game. 

Here are Porzingis' stats from the Spanish League last year: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kristaps-Porzingis/Summary/32861?skip_search=porzingis#International

He was averaging 4 FGM in 21.7 mpg, while averaging about 5 rpg on top of that.  This was done in a league that is better than the NCAAM, while the Israeli league that Bender plays in is pretty much abject garbage.  Maccabi is the only decent Israeli team in the Euroleague, but they're still pretty bad.

So I just don't see how Bender's size is going to make up for the fact that he totally stinks right now.  His wingspan is average anyways and he doesn't really seem to have much feel for the game at all.  I don't know why you wouldn't draft Poeltl or Jaylen Brown over him at the very least.

Now I'm hardly an expert on the Israeli league, but they are usually competitive in the euro league which to me indicates that they are one of the best teams in the world (non NBA division). Isn't the euroleague like the champions league for basketball?

In his draftexpress video I thought he looked to be a good passer which to me indicates a good feel for the game not a bad one.

The reason I like him is because he's really tall and a fluid athlete, much more fluid than Porzingis.

[max215]

I'm starting to get really worried by Skal. Hopefully he's just a bit rusty after missing his Senior year, but I'm definitely concerned by his lack of production. On the other hand, Brandon Ingram is starting to look really intriguing.

[Who]

I'm starting to get really worried by Skal. Hopefully he's just a bit rusty after missing his Senior year, but I'm definitely concerned by his lack of production. On the other hand, Brandon Ingram is starting to look really intriguing.

Why did he miss his senior year? Bad injury?

[max215]

I'm starting to get really worried by Skal. Hopefully he's just a bit rusty after missing his Senior year, but I'm definitely concerned by his lack of production. On the other hand, Brandon Ingram is starting to look really intriguing.

Why did he miss his senior year? Bad injury?

http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2014/09/12/tssaa-rules-five-star-center-skal-labissiere-ineligible/

Looks like he actually wound up playing a bit for some other school, but I'm not positive on the particulars.

[saltlover]

I'm starting to get really worried by Skal. Hopefully he's just a bit rusty after missing his Senior year, but I'm definitely concerned by his lack of production. On the other hand, Brandon Ingram is starting to look really intriguing.

Why did he miss his senior year? Bad injury?

No.  His "guardian" transferred him to a different high school.  The Memphis high school league ruled him ineligible.  So then his guardian literally tried to create a "high school" that played under one school (the one he just created out of thin air) and took classes from the school he had transferred Skal to.  Said team would be outside the Memphis high school league.  This occurred in late October and November, and predictably they did not succeed, given that they tried to start a brand new school two months into the school year, and that said school existed solely so that Skal could play.

His "guardian" is a total con-artist, and is a legitimate reason to worry about Skal's NBA future in my mind. 

[max215]

I'm starting to get really worried by Skal. Hopefully he's just a bit rusty after missing his Senior year, but I'm definitely concerned by his lack of production. On the other hand, Brandon Ingram is starting to look really intriguing.

Why did he miss his senior year? Bad injury?

No.  His "guardian" transferred him to a different high school.  The Memphis high school league ruled him ineligible.  So then his guardian literally tried to create a "high school" that played under one school (the one he just created out of thin air) and took classes from the school he had transferred Skal to.  Said team would be outside the Memphis high school league.  This occurred in late October and November, and predictably they did not succeed, given that they tried to start a brand new school two months into the school year, and that said school existed solely so that Skal could play.

His "guardian" is a total con-artist, and is a legitimate reason to worry about Skal's NBA future in my mind.

TP.

[tazzmaniac]

I have to say I'm pretty down on Bender and the way things are going, he reminds me of the way people hyped Dante Exum.  Euros are undervalued as a whole, which is a pretty big market inefficiency, but I feel like it's because people value all the leagues the same.  However, the Spanish, Italian, Greek, French and German leagues are way different than the Israeli and Australian leagues. 

If someone is 17 years old and playing 15 mpg in the Spanish league, it means very good scouts vetted them and a very good coach has been developing them.  Then, they beat out some of the best basketball players in the world for minutes and are competing against professional, grown men every night.  If someone is playing in the Australian league at 17, it means that they are tall.

Bender is in the Israeli league, which is better than the Australian league, but not by much.  Here is a misleading headlined article from December 7th that says, "Dragan Bender Shines in Maccabi Victory"

http://upsidemotor.com/2015/12/07/euroleague-week-8-dragan-bender-shines-maccabi-nba-draft/

But then you read the actual article and the big deal is that he actually played 17 whole minutes. So here are his real stats: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

He's averaging 1.22 FGM in 11 minutes a game. 

Here are Porzingis' stats from the Spanish League last year: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kristaps-Porzingis/Summary/32861?skip_search=porzingis#International

He was averaging 4 FGM in 21.7 mpg, while averaging about 5 rpg on top of that.  This was done in a league that is better than the NCAAM, while the Israeli league that Bender plays in is pretty much abject garbage.  Maccabi is the only decent Israeli team in the Euroleague, but they're still pretty bad.

So I just don't see how Bender's size is going to make up for the fact that he totally stinks right now.  His wingspan is average anyways and he doesn't really seem to have much feel for the game at all.  I don't know why you wouldn't draft Poeltl or Jaylen Brown over him at the very least.

Do you know anything about Bender's contract?  I thought I read somewhere that he had signed a 4 or 5 year contract with a buyout.  I'm thinking there is a good chance Bender won't enter this draft or if he does he'll wait to come over for three years until the rookie contract is up. 

[konkmv]

Simmons ingramm or brown i will be happy, no skai no bender. Thank you

[KeepRondo]

I have to say I'm pretty down on Bender and the way things are going, he reminds me of the way people hyped Dante Exum.  Euros are undervalued as a whole, which is a pretty big market inefficiency, but I feel like it's because people value all the leagues the same.  However, the Spanish, Italian, Greek, French and German leagues are way different than the Israeli and Australian leagues. 

If someone is 17 years old and playing 15 mpg in the Spanish league, it means very good scouts vetted them and a very good coach has been developing them.  Then, they beat out some of the best basketball players in the world for minutes and are competing against professional, grown men every night.  If someone is playing in the Australian league at 17, it means that they are tall.

Bender is in the Israeli league, which is better than the Australian league, but not by much.  Here is a misleading headlined article from December 7th that says, "Dragan Bender Shines in Maccabi Victory"

http://upsidemotor.com/2015/12/07/euroleague-week-8-dragan-bender-shines-maccabi-nba-draft/

But then you read the actual article and the big deal is that he actually played 17 whole minutes. So here are his real stats: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Dragan-Bender/Summary/41582

He's averaging 1.22 FGM in 11 minutes a game. 

Here are Porzingis' stats from the Spanish League last year: http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Kristaps-Porzingis/Summary/32861?skip_search=porzingis#International

He was averaging 4 FGM in 21.7 mpg, while averaging about 5 rpg on top of that.  This was done in a league that is better than the NCAAM, while the Israeli league that Bender plays in is pretty much abject garbage.  Maccabi is the only decent Israeli team in the Euroleague, but they're still pretty bad.

So I just don't see how Bender's size is going to make up for the fact that he totally stinks right now.  His wingspan is average anyways and he doesn't really seem to have much feel for the game at all.  I don't know why you wouldn't draft Poeltl or Jaylen Brown over him at the very least.

Exum easily outplayed Smart in that summer league game. Dude looked ready to turn the corner before getting injured.

Exum may end up being pretty good.

[Snakehead]

Exum easily outplayed Smart in that summer league game. Dude looked ready to turn the corner before getting injured.

Exum may end up being pretty good.

Do not agree with that.

Smart was great he just missed some jumpers.

Exum looked pretty good for a stretch in that game but he can fade out of games and then he ended up getting hurt.

He does still have potential but I have seen no consistency.  Smart isn't always consistent on offense but his defense is elite.