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Is not trading the right move?

Yes, if no star is available.
Yes, because this team still needs to figure things out.
Yes, because we want to stay flexible this offseason.
No, make a move as we are close to being a ECF contender.
No, we have to many assets and expirings. To do nothing hurts.

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Is not trading the right move?
« on: December 14, 2015, 06:42:01 PM »

Offline Csfan1984

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To trade or not to trade? A lot of the roster still seems to be growing and roles change on a nightly basis. Does this mean we should trade people or does this mean we don't really know what we have just yet? I'm kind on in the middle and think if you get a star then pull the trigger but lateral moves don't really interest me at all. Keeping salary flexibility and picks for ammo sounds great to me. Yet we have a few guys expiring. Should we consolidate those players for a guy that isn't a star but would be a core player? I think it's an interesting topic for a poll as sometimes as we know the best trade is the one that doesn't happen. How do you feel on if C's don't make a trade this year?

Re: Is not trading the right move?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2015, 07:18:05 PM »

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The Celtics have 9 rookie scale deals, and too many picks. I think a larger deal will likely happen in summer (not this season), but at some point Ainge is going to have to make a consolidation deal.

Problem is: other GMs know this, and the longer he waits, the more it's going to hurt Ainge's leverage.
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Re: Is not trading the right move?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2015, 07:28:01 PM »

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If there were a move (or series of moves) to make the C's a contender right away of course you pull the trigger.  But if not, then why not stay the course and see what the draft and free agency bring.  I think that if you add a star to the roster as it's currently constituted, the C's would be a contender.  Of course, attaining that star would cost you some of the currently constituted roster.  Therefore, it's more complicated than just adding a star player.  So maybe not trading is the correct way to go for now.

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« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2015, 07:44:23 PM »

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If there were a move (or series of moves) to make the C's a contender right away of course you pull the trigger.  But if not, then why not stay the course and see what the draft and free agency bring.  I think that if you add a star to the roster as it's currently constituted, the C's would be a contender.  Of course, attaining that star would cost you some of the currently constituted roster.  Therefore, it's more complicated than just adding a star player.  So maybe not trading is the correct way to go for now.
TP Neurotic Guy.  I really don't see any of our team losing value this year.  They are playing well, as a team...let them show what they can do.  They have been at least holding their own with the big dogs (double OT with Warriors).  Give them this year...we may be molding our own next super star.  We have plenty of good draft picks to use for trade bait after this nba season and by then will know more about who we should keep or cut loose..  Changing personnel drastically during the season seldom gives a team time to really acclimate to each others game as far as being ready for unusual passes or patterns when they develop during a game situation and sometimes (Perkins) really hurts team chemistry and trust.
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Re: Is not trading the right move?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2015, 07:49:29 PM »

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We got 3 first round picks and 5 second tound picks (assuming we get the Dallas pick and the Minnesota pick becomes 2 second round picks) coming in the 2016 draft. We got quality players like JJ and Zeller getting less then 5 min. a game or not playing at all. The rookies are not getting a lot of time as well. While I think we should not do a trade just to trade, I would like to see a 3 for 1 or 2 for 1 happen even if it is not for a star.

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« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2015, 07:55:11 PM »

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I would only trade if getting a talent upgrade.  I am not worried about someone like Zeller walk away as a free agent while getting nothing in return,  if it happens, it happens.
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« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2015, 08:13:21 PM »

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need another option:
Only make a move if there's a clear opportunity to improve the team -- don't make a move just to make a move

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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2015, 09:02:02 PM »

Offline Csfan1984

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need another option:
Only make a move if there's a clear opportunity to improve the team -- don't make a move just to make a move
This is a good one but I'm limited in amount of options. Also we have seen DA do moves to retain assets as in trade an expiring player for a T.E. and just a T.E. It didn't improve the team at all but extended a salary trade chip per say.

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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2015, 09:03:28 PM »

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Obviously we'll have to trade some picks eventually, but otherwise, we shouldn't make a trade just to make a trade.
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2015, 09:08:07 PM »

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I'd be happy getting a better SF than Crowder or an All-Star at any position.  I'd be hesitant to upgrade the PF position in case we get a top pick from Brooklyn, as Simmons and Skal are both going to be PFs.  I would ideally like to trade for someone like Gallinari for a combination of players from the Young/Turner/Rozier/Dallas Pick/Minny Pick/Our Pick/Zeller/Jerebko group.  We need to clear them out and if we could get an upgrade out of it in the process, that would be amazing.

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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2015, 09:16:08 PM »

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I'd be happy getting a better SF than Crowder or an All-Star at any position.
  Be careful here, some deluded souls think he is an all-star.  I know it is absurd but there are those with that sentiment.

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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2015, 09:17:48 PM »

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I think staying put with most of our guys our great assets seems to be the move.

I'm open to trading:
Lee
Zeller
Jerebko
Any pick that isnt Brooklyn's

Then again, wait to see what is offered. If you can get a superstar, jump at it. If you can get a guy who is about to break out, jump on it. Talent upgrades are always the way to go.

But like I stated earlier, we have a very good young core with great team chemistry. I dont necessarily wanna break that up.

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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2015, 09:20:08 PM »

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I'd be happy getting a better SF than Crowder or an All-Star at any position.
  Be careful here, some deluded souls think he is an all-star.  I know it is absurd but there are those with that sentiment.

I don't think he's anywhere near an All-Star, but I do think it will quite difficult to find someone better than him.
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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2015, 09:22:17 PM »

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Didn't vote for anything, because nothing really fits.  Nothing has changed.  One should never make a move just to make one.  If Danny should upgrade the roster, he should.  If not, he shouldn't.

Simple as that. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2015, 09:24:26 PM »

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I'd be happy getting a better SF than Crowder or an All-Star at any position.
  Be careful here, some deluded souls think he is an all-star.  I know it is absurd but there are those with that sentiment.

Well, they can't take Tommy Points away, so I'm not worried  ;D

Anyways, he's a good piece, but Durant, George, LeBron, Melo, Kawhi, Hayward, Gallinari, Greek Freak, CJ Miles, Will Barton, Igoudala, and Harrison Barnes are all playing better right now without debate.  Then there's guys like Chandler Parsons and DeMarre Carroll who are injured/slumping but will probably be better than him by the end of the season.  Then there are guys like Winslow who will probably be better in a couple of years than Crowder will be. 

I mean he's really good as a back up, but CBS knows how to use him to his maximum potential.  He could also use someone like Danilo to his potential, too - but with the added bonus that he's better at basketball than Crowder.