Are sixers under a show cause order

[Ogaju]

With all that is going on with the sixers and the obvious and glaring disrepute they have brought to the NBA to the point that their lottery pick dumps his jersey at the introduction presser and acts out of character in a number off the court incidents, is it far-fetched to assume that they brought in the much respected Jerry Coangelo on orders from the league office to shape up or get nailed.

[LarBrd33]

When the league was running the Hornets, they smartly prevented them from trading Chris Paul for a pu-pu platter of vets in Kevin Marin, Lamar Odom and Luis Scola.   Perhaps that move may have helped the Hornets tread water in a post Chris Paul world, but it would have also stuck them with 80 million in mediocre assets on the books and hurt their ability to sell the team to a new owner. 

So as acting owners of the team, they prevented their GM from making the trade... it was misreported as being "vetoed by the NBA".  Nonsense. 

Instead, they approved the Hornets trading Chris Paul for Eric Gordon, a top 10 pick and a couple other young assets.  Sure, it didn't work out all that hot (Gordon ended up perpetually injured and the top 10 pick net Austin Rivers), but the greatest benefit in the trade was that it allowed the Hornets to bottom out with their own pick by forcing a roster-tank situation... ultimately netting them Anthony Davis... a franchise player. 

The league knew what it was doing.  The draft is the best hope a team has of getting a superstar...  The rules are set up as they are... so tanking was the best course of action for the Hornets.

The league wouldn't step in and force Philly to trade away Okafor and Noel for vets like Jarrett Jack and Zaza Pachulia.   They aren't going to force them to trade away any of their 1st rounders this year...    They aren't going to force the team to abandon their chance of getting Ben Simmons.   Nah.  None of that.

It's not like they are going to force them to sign some available free agent vets like Stephon Marbury to help guide them this year...   there's nobody really out there.


What they could do is demand that the team makes a good-faith effort of competing next year.  Which means they'll likely sign some vets and make some offers for free agents.  They have something like 60 mil in cap space this summer.   But really, I imagine Philly was probably going to do that anyways.   

[konkmv]

They could make them draft and trade for need and not for best talent..hinkie was able with okafor noel embiid on board would easily draft skai or bender.... do not think it is going to happen...  one of those guys above will be traded.. and they will give some max short term offers for vets..two year deals to jeff green jamal crawford amir johnson could make them much better... the one player that would make them way better especially the youngsters is rondo... but but...

[LarBrd33]

I was going to make a joke about offering up Brooklyn's unprotected 1st for Philly's unprotected 1st... the league could step in and force it to happen to take away Philly's incentive to tank.   But I'm not sure I'd actually want to own Philly's 1st if they had no incentive to tank.  They still have a pretty good collection of assets that could be flipped for capable vets at any time.

[Celtics18]

Man, I hope the Sixers don't get the number one pick. 

[SHAQATTACK]

You play the best ball you can provide hold your head high and build .

Running the team into,the ground year after year for WHOLE seasons is just wrong .

I hope they are forced to sell the team to another city.

[slamtheking]

When the league was running the Hornets, they smartly prevented them from trading Chris Paul for a pu-pu platter of vets in Kevin Marin, Lamar Odom and Luis Scola.   Perhaps that move may have helped the Hornets tread water in a post Chris Paul world, but it would have also stuck them with 80 million in mediocre assets on the books and hurt their ability to sell the team to a new owner. 

So as acting owners of the team, they prevented their GM from making the trade... it was misreported as being "vetoed by the NBA".  Nonsense. 

Instead, they approved the Hornets trading Chris Paul for Eric Gordon, a top 10 pick and a couple other young assets.  Sure, it didn't work out all that hot (Gordon ended up perpetually injured and the top 10 pick net Austin Rivers), but the greatest benefit in the trade was that it allowed the Hornets to bottom out with their own pick by forcing a roster-tank situation... ultimately netting them Anthony Davis... a franchise player. 

The league knew what it was doing.  The draft is the best hope a team has of getting a superstar...  The rules are set up as they are... so tanking was the best course of action for the Hornets.

The league wouldn't step in and force Philly to trade away Okafor and Noel for vets like Jarrett Jack and Zaza Pachulia.   They aren't going to force them to trade away any of their 1st rounders this year...    They aren't going to force the team to abandon their chance of getting Ben Simmons.   Nah.  None of that.

It's not like they are going to force them to sign some available free agent vets like Stephon Marbury to help guide them this year...   there's nobody really out there.


What they could do is demand that the team makes a good-faith effort of competing next year.  Which means they'll likely sign some vets and make some offers for free agents.  They have something like 60 mil in cap space this summer.   But really, I imagine Philly was probably going to do that anyways.   

just keep grasping at those straws to try to justify that dumpster fire Lar.  No one's buying it.

[slamtheking]

You play the best ball you can provide hold your head high and build .

Running the team into,the ground year after year for WHOLE seasons is just wrong .

I hope they are forced to sell the team to another city.

I don't think the city should lose the franchise but I wouldn't be against ownership being forced to sell and management being replaced.  the constant effort to be as bad as possible is a disgrace to the league and the game.  There's no excuse for trotting out a roster loaded with D-leaguers when they could be adding vets with something left in the tank to show their prospects how to play and play to win.

their tanking hasn't worked for them and it's readily apparent.  if any of the teams ahead of them in the 2013 draft hadn't been afraid of Noel's knee, Philly would be even worse than they currently are -- if that's even imaginable.
2013 draft as a refresher:
1 Cle - Anthony Bennett --> solid case for worst #1 pick ever
2 Orl - Victor Oladipo --> The one player taken before Noel who's arguably at least as talented so far
3 Wash - Otto Porter --> looking pretty underwhelming
4 Char - Cody Zeller --> wishes he was as good as Tyler
5 Phx - Alex Len --> looking like a career backup but not a horrible pick.  Not as good as Noel

--> picture a smarter draft where Bennett was passed over and landed with the Sixers.  How disastrous would their tankathon plan look?  pretty bad.

[Moranis]

LarBird is right.  There is a reason 11 owners voted to keep the lottery system as is.  One of the most vocal supporters was the Thunder, who as a small market believe their only real chance at competing is through the draft.  After all the entire core of that team was drafted by the Thunder and the two best players were top 5 picks. 

It is convenient to bring this stuff up after the Sixers got blown out, but before the Spurs game they were actually pretty competitive as the last 7 losses were all single digits and many were within 5 points, plus the 12 point victory over the Lakers.  The Spurs game was embarrassing on so many levels, but it appears to be a recent aberration.  They also have a number of winnable games over their next 15 or so games (including Brooklyn in the next game).  Wroten will back soon which should help the backcourt a great deal.  There is no need to throw the baby out with the bath water just because the Sixers aren't very good.  I mean it isn't like they are throwing games.  Sure they aren't very good, but so what.  A lot of teams aren't very good.  As an owner would you rather be the Lakers or the Sixers.  The Nets or the Sixers.  The Nuggets or the Sixers.  etc. 

[Moranis]

You play the best ball you can provide hold your head high and build .

Running the team into,the ground year after year for WHOLE seasons is just wrong .

I hope they are forced to sell the team to another city.

I don't think the city should lose the franchise but I wouldn't be against ownership being forced to sell and management being replaced.  the constant effort to be as bad as possible is a disgrace to the league and the game.  There's no excuse for trotting out a roster loaded with D-leaguers when they could be adding vets with something left in the tank to show their prospects how to play and play to win.

their tanking hasn't worked for them and it's readily apparent.  if any of the teams ahead of them in the 2013 draft hadn't been afraid of Noel's knee, Philly would be even worse than they currently are -- if that's even imaginable.
2013 draft as a refresher:
1 Cle - Anthony Bennett --> solid case for worst #1 pick ever
2 Orl - Victor Oladipo --> The one player taken before Noel who's arguably at least as talented so far
3 Wash - Otto Porter --> looking pretty underwhelming
4 Char - Cody Zeller --> wishes he was as good as Tyler
5 Phx - Alex Len --> looking like a career backup but not a horrible pick.  Not as good as Noel

--> picture a smarter draft where Bennett was passed over and landed with the Sixers.  How disastrous would their tankathon plan look?  pretty bad.

Um.  The Sixers didn't own the 6th pick.  They only traded Holiday for it (and the future 1st which turned into Saric and another 1st) when Noel was available.

[BDeCosta26]

LarBird is right.  There is a reason 11 owners voted to keep the lottery system as is.  One of the most vocal supporters was the Thunder, who as a small market believe their only real chance at competing is through the draft.  After all the entire core of that team was drafted by the Thunder and the two best players were top 5 picks. 

It is convenient to bring this stuff up after the Sixers got blown out, but before the Spurs game they were actually pretty competitive as the last 7 losses were all single digits and many were within 5 points, plus the 12 point victory over the Lakers.  The Spurs game was embarrassing on so many levels, but it appears to be a recent aberration.  They also have a number of winnable games over their next 15 or so games (including Brooklyn in the next game).  Wroten will back soon which should help the backcourt a great deal.  There is no need to throw the baby out with the bath water just because the Sixers aren't very good.  I mean it isn't like they are throwing games.  Sure they aren't very good, but so what.  A lot of teams aren't very good.  As an owner would you rather be the Lakers or the Sixers.  The Nets or the Sixers.  The Nuggets or the Sixers.  etc.

Sure, I'd probably rather have the Sixers situation then the Nuggets or Nets. Not so sure about LA. But I'd sure hope I'd want to take them. They've been signing bad players, trading decent ones, drafting guys who won't make immediate impacts and losing on purpose to gain high draft picks for like 3 straight years. After all that purposeful suckery I would be flabbergasted if they didn't have at least a few good assets. You've recently had the   6th, 11th, 3rd, 10th and 3rd pick again, plus a stack of early 2nds in  the past 3 years and they have a 1 win team to show for it. It's not a question about whether Hinkie's plan has accumulated assets. Indeed it has. It would be really ridiculous if it hadn't. But the truth is the "plan" it itself is failing, because you can't just actively avoid building a real cohesive NBA team when you have three years to start with. Bad teams get high draft picks, and when you start a rebuild process you generally get a few. But you at least try to get major piece or two with those picks, you trade guys for picks you develop or young prospects. You start building a team around a system and culture you think can win basketball games with the right talent in the long run. Hinkie avoided that, and has consistently traded away young guys who weren't blue chips that could help them win too many games for future assets that would allow the team to continue to lose, he drafted guys (Noel, Embiid, Saric) who wouldn't be playing for at least their first year to keep them as bad as possible, he screwed NO over in the Holiday trade, he's continually avoiding spending any money at all on young FA or their own guys and have signed up a team of d-leaguers that don't even fit together to play next to their one or two healthy blue chips. They don't have any system really, they don't have any culture, they don't have a team. They have a couple good prospects, a bunch of straight scrubs, and some future picks and none of the pieces fit next to each other. It doesn't look like their building toward anything. Okafor and Noel aren't gonna fit together long term. TJ McConnell doesn't belong in the league. Neither do most of their guys.

Hinkie has basically ignored everything that goes into building a successful franchise except the blue chip talent. He's done well at gathering assets and has a few prospects with pretty good value, but he's ignored the importance of building a team and a culture. Other teams and agents hate him. The league thinks they're a joke and no decent player would ever go there willingly right now. Someone may turn that pile of assets into a team, but Hinkie's plan is failing right now because he failed to realize the importance of building toward something. You can like his pile of assets he's accumulated. I do. But there's no excuse for why they're still so bad after all this time, with no legit end in sight.

[slamtheking]

You play the best ball you can provide hold your head high and build .

Running the team into,the ground year after year for WHOLE seasons is just wrong .

I hope they are forced to sell the team to another city.

I don't think the city should lose the franchise but I wouldn't be against ownership being forced to sell and management being replaced.  the constant effort to be as bad as possible is a disgrace to the league and the game.  There's no excuse for trotting out a roster loaded with D-leaguers when they could be adding vets with something left in the tank to show their prospects how to play and play to win.

their tanking hasn't worked for them and it's readily apparent.  if any of the teams ahead of them in the 2013 draft hadn't been afraid of Noel's knee, Philly would be even worse than they currently are -- if that's even imaginable.
2013 draft as a refresher:
1 Cle - Anthony Bennett --> solid case for worst #1 pick ever
2 Orl - Victor Oladipo --> The one player taken before Noel who's arguably at least as talented so far
3 Wash - Otto Porter --> looking pretty underwhelming
4 Char - Cody Zeller --> wishes he was as good as Tyler
5 Phx - Alex Len --> looking like a career backup but not a horrible pick.  Not as good as Noel

--> picture a smarter draft where Bennett was passed over and landed with the Sixers.  How disastrous would their tankathon plan look?  pretty bad.

Um.  The Sixers didn't own the 6th pick.  They only traded Holiday for it (and the future 1st which turned into Saric and another 1st) when Noel was available.

but they used it to get Noel and jettison a very solid (though with a hidden injury) PG in Holiday.  They were likely moving Holiday based on their knowledge of his health and took advantage to get Noel.  I suspect they would have made a trade for any pick they could have gotten in the lottery.

[Moranis]

You play the best ball you can provide hold your head high and build .

Running the team into,the ground year after year for WHOLE seasons is just wrong .

I hope they are forced to sell the team to another city.

I don't think the city should lose the franchise but I wouldn't be against ownership being forced to sell and management being replaced.  the constant effort to be as bad as possible is a disgrace to the league and the game.  There's no excuse for trotting out a roster loaded with D-leaguers when they could be adding vets with something left in the tank to show their prospects how to play and play to win.

their tanking hasn't worked for them and it's readily apparent.  if any of the teams ahead of them in the 2013 draft hadn't been afraid of Noel's knee, Philly would be even worse than they currently are -- if that's even imaginable.
2013 draft as a refresher:
1 Cle - Anthony Bennett --> solid case for worst #1 pick ever
2 Orl - Victor Oladipo --> The one player taken before Noel who's arguably at least as talented so far
3 Wash - Otto Porter --> looking pretty underwhelming
4 Char - Cody Zeller --> wishes he was as good as Tyler
5 Phx - Alex Len --> looking like a career backup but not a horrible pick.  Not as good as Noel

--> picture a smarter draft where Bennett was passed over and landed with the Sixers.  How disastrous would their tankathon plan look?  pretty bad.

Um.  The Sixers didn't own the 6th pick.  They only traded Holiday for it (and the future 1st which turned into Saric and another 1st) when Noel was available.

but they used it to get Noel and jettison a very solid (though with a hidden injury) PG in Holiday.  They were likely moving Holiday based on their knowledge of his health and took advantage to get Noel.  I suspect they would have made a trade for any pick they could have gotten in the lottery.

That doesn't match any article on it at the time.  The trade wasn't finalized until after New Orleans had selected Noel.  The Sixers wanted Noel, they weren't just dumping Holiday.

[Ogaju]

so it appears from Zillers article on SBNation today that the NBA did step in to 'appoint' a caretaker for the Sixers. What a shameful organization the sixers.

[BornReady]

When the league was running the Hornets, they smartly prevented them from trading Chris Paul for a pu-pu platter of vets in Kevin Marin, Lamar Odom and Luis Scola.   Perhaps that move may have helped the Hornets tread water in a post Chris Paul world, but it would have also stuck them with 80 million in mediocre assets on the books and hurt their ability to sell the team to a new owner. 

So as acting owners of the team, they prevented their GM from making the trade... it was misreported as being "vetoed by the NBA".  Nonsense. 

Instead, they approved the Hornets trading Chris Paul for Eric Gordon, a top 10 pick and a couple other young assets.  Sure, it didn't work out all that hot (Gordon ended up perpetually injured and the top 10 pick net Austin Rivers), but the greatest benefit in the trade was that it allowed the Hornets to bottom out with their own pick by forcing a roster-tank situation... ultimately netting them Anthony Davis... a franchise player. 

The league knew what it was doing.  The draft is the best hope a team has of getting a superstar...  The rules are set up as they are... so tanking was the best course of action for the Hornets.

The league wouldn't step in and force Philly to trade away Okafor and Noel for vets like Jarrett Jack and Zaza Pachulia.   They aren't going to force them to trade away any of their 1st rounders this year...    They aren't going to force the team to abandon their chance of getting Ben Simmons.   Nah.  None of that.

It's not like they are going to force them to sign some available free agent vets like Stephon Marbury to help guide them this year...   there's nobody really out there.


What they could do is demand that the team makes a good-faith effort of competing next year.  Which means they'll likely sign some vets and make some offers for free agents.  They have something like 60 mil in cap space this summer.   But really, I imagine Philly was probably going to do that anyways.

how would the nba ensure that philly puts in the effort of becoming more competitive?

The difference between philly and OKC example/ every other rebuilding team
is that philly is outright tanking to get their franchise talent over several seasons

it can be seen by them trading away KJ McDaniels last season = he was playing well, looked like a steal in the draft and made their team better
philly just trades him to rockets for canaan + 2nd rounder so that they could tank more 

i think the NBA should regulate this tanking effort as it is just terrible to watch for fans as well as the players playing on their team

and we dont know whether they will end up with a superstar core they want
we saw with embiid being injured has extended their losing for another  season 


i think philly next year bring in saric
try to get a couple vets (probably only desperate vets)
try trade embiid when he is healthy
And  really depends on who they draft = they could have the 3rd pick and could select another frontcourt player like labisserie or bender if the top wings are already taken