Maybe we can pay Sully

[Hemingway]

Like a lot of you here I kind of want to trade him before we have to give him big money. But if we can't trade him by the deadline and we can't get enough talent in FA for the money we have, maybe we should pay him big money on a short term. Something like Amir's deal. Over pay on a 1 year deal with a team option for another year. Expiring contracts have become less important and will keep going that way with the cap jumps but we can't let him walk for nothing. We also can't go backwards at this point.

Do you think he would agree t something like this? We said no to Faulks offer of giving him current max money aready so he will be a RFA. But, if we have nothing else worhtwhile to spend it on, maybe it is a good deal short term. thoughts?

[Monkhouse]

It would be an interesting thought.

I don't see it happening, though.

Taking a contract that Amir Johnson did was for visible reasons, most likely to match other players contract, or to see whether or not Amir still had some gas left in the tank to contribute. Amir was coming off a good season, but he had been injured time and time again, plus many miles on his legs, so a lot of skepticism about his contract originally.

[ssspence]

No. He'd likely take the QO and become a UFA in 2017.

I believe Sully is as likely to be traded as any player on the roster.

[spikelovetheCelts]

No. He'd likely take the QO and become a UFA in 2017.

I believe Sully is as likely to be traded as any player on the roster.

This is what will happen with his agent. The only way it will be different is if Sully tells Faulk to take it.
But I think DA will make a three year almost Max to start out.

[Monkhouse]

No. He'd likely take the QO and become a UFA in 2017.

I believe Sully is as likely to be traded as any player on the roster.

This is what will happen with his agent. The only way it will be different is if Sully tells Faulk to take it.
But I think DA will make a three year almost Max to start out.

Ehh....

DA is notorious for always starting off with the lowest and reasonable contract first.

Difference between most GM's though, is Ainge never ever negotiates a contract where the agent is severely p---ed at such a low ball offer, that they immediately take offense and tell their player to just take the Q/O.

[dreamgreen]

No. He'd likely take the QO and become a UFA in 2017.

I believe Sully is as likely to be traded as any player on the roster.

This is what will happen with his agent. The only way it will be different is if Sully tells Faulk to take it.
But I think DA will make a three year almost Max to start out.

DA will be roasted if he gives that fat Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. near max! A guy in his 4th year that is averaging 10/9 and has shown to me and many others this is what he is. I mean do really think Sully has upside? I'd say better chance of down side with injuries and eating his way out of the league. He will have to show a lot more to get anywhere near max.

[Celtics4ever]

I think he will want more than we will offer.   Ainge knows he is a middling player, he is not top ten in any category, NBA wide.  As a  C,  he does better.  He is ninth among centers at REBR, and we all know he is a great rebounder, but his shooting is 43th,  15th in PER and EWA.  17th in Scoring.  So he is a good rebounder but so so at a lot of the other areas.  32 in blocks.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c

Trouble is he is too slow to play PF and a little short for C.  Hence, the out of position comments that will invariably come, are not merited.  I would offer him a reasonable contract, if he did not bite then try to work out a sign and trade so we get something out of him providing he is still here after the trade deadline.

[hwangjini_1]

I think he will want more than we will offer.   Ainge knows he is a middling player, he is not top ten in any category, NBA wide.  As a  C,  he does better.  He is ninth among centers at REBR, and we all know he is a great rebounder, but his shooting is 43th,  15th in PER and EWA.  17th in Scoring.  So he is a good rebounder but so so at a lot of the other areas.  32 in blocks.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c

Trouble is he is too slow to play PF and a little short for C.  Hence, the out of position comments that will invariably come, are not merited.  I would offer him a reasonable contract, if he did not bite then try to work out a sign and trade so we get something out of him providing he is still here after the trade deadline.

this is probably correct. but another important factor is how much more money, if any, OTHER teams are willing to offer him. the celtics may offer less than he wants. but if it is more or close to other offers, the celtics may keep him.

i am too lazy to see the salary of comparable players. is there anyone out there who is industrious and wants a tp? 

[dreamgreen]

I think he will want more than we will offer.   Ainge knows he is a middling player, he is not top ten in any category, NBA wide.  As a  C,  he does better.  He is ninth among centers at REBR, and we all know he is a great rebounder, but his shooting is 43th,  15th in PER and EWA.  17th in Scoring.  So he is a good rebounder but so so at a lot of the other areas.  32 in blocks.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/position/c

Trouble is he is too slow to play PF and a little short for C.  Hence, the out of position comments that will invariably come, are not merited.  I would offer him a reasonable contract, if he did not bite then try to work out a sign and trade so we get something out of him providing he is still here after the trade deadline.

this is probably correct. but another important factor is how much more money, if any, OTHER teams are willing to offer him. the celtics may offer less than he wants. but if it is more or close to other offers, the celtics may keep him.

i am too lazy to see the salary of comparable players. is there anyone out there who is industrious and wants a tp? 

I agree if he is still here they will offer him the qualifying offer and see what the market is for him. The lower it is the more likely he stays IMO.

[BitterJim]

No. He'd likely take the QO and become a UFA in 2017.

I believe Sully is as likely to be traded as any player on the roster.

I doubt he'd take the QO, some other team would offer him a better deal (3-4 years, good money), and he could just sign the offer sheet to for us to either match or let him go

[Granath]

I have a very sneaky suspicion that Sully will be dealt at the trade deadline. Danny is the MASTER of selling high and Sully has played very well thus far.

On the offensive side, averaging 11 points, 9 boards and (don't discount this) 2.5 assists in just 25 minutes a night, Sully is lighting up the box score. That's 15/13/4 per 36 and those are strong numbers. Roughly 1/3rd of his rebounds are offensive and teams love that sort of stuff.

Sully has played outstanding defense this year by almost any metric. He's not a shot blocker, but his defensive rating, defensive +/- and defensive win shares are all very high. In short, he looks very solid in the middle.

Furthermore, any team that trades for him still will have the RFA right of first refusal next offseason. So a team that really wants him has an opportunity to get him now and then easily keep him next year. After all, it's not like RFAs move a whole lot (look at this past year - NONE of the top RFAs moved teams) because teams don't like tying up their cap space during the FA frenzy.

All that adds up to Sullinger's value being pretty high right now. That's when Danny tends to make his moves if he doesn't think Sully is a long-term key cog on this team. If he and Brad did think that, I think Sully would be getting more minutes.

Of course, this all depends on a number of factors. It's possible that the Cs are doing well enough that Danny doesn't want to rock the boat. There has to be a compatible trading partner and that may not happen. But all things being equal, I think it's Sully who gets shopped and moved at the deadline. Could it be for Lopez? Markiff Morris (though the way Morris is playing this year....ugh)? Perhaps even part of a deal for Cousins? Dieng? With Danny, who the heck knows?

[MBunge]

With the rising cap and contracts no longer than 5 years, Ainge can pay to keep Sully and any other player on the roster.  I think he'll do what he can to hang onto Sully, short of giving him a max deal.

Mike

[Smitty77]

I have a very sneaky suspicion that Sully will be dealt at the trade deadline. Danny is the MASTER of selling high and Sully has played very well thus far.

On the offensive side, averaging 11 points, 9 boards and (don't discount this) 2.5 assists in just 25 minutes a night, Sully is lighting up the box score. That's 15/13/4 per 36 and those are strong numbers. Roughly 1/3rd of his rebounds are offensive and teams love that sort of stuff.

Sully has played outstanding defense this year by almost any metric. He's not a shot blocker, but his defensive rating, defensive +/- and defensive win shares are all very high. In short, he looks very solid in the middle.

Furthermore, any team that trades for him still will have the RFA right of first refusal next offseason. So a team that really wants him has an opportunity to get him now and then easily keep him next year. After all, it's not like RFAs move a whole lot (look at this past year - NONE of the top RFAs moved teams) because teams don't like tying up their cap space during the FA frenzy.

All that adds up to Sullinger's value being pretty high right now. That's when Danny tends to make his moves if he doesn't think Sully is a long-term key cog on this team. If he and Brad did think that, I think Sully would be getting more minutes.

Of course, this all depends on a number of factors. It's possible that the Cs are doing well enough that Danny doesn't want to rock the boat. There has to be a compatible trading partner and that may not happen. But all things being equal, I think it's Sully who gets shopped and moved at the deadline. Could it be for Lopez? Markiff Morris (though the way Morris is playing this year....ugh)? Perhaps even part of a deal for Cousins? Dieng? With Danny, who the heck knows?

Sully is truly under-appreciated for what he is doing this year!!  I think his minutes should increase as he has sadly played himself into SHAPE!!  He is the 4th rated center according to ESPN's real plus minus and is 18th in defensive RPM, which in my humble opinion is amazing given his utter lack of leaping ability and virtual lack of shot blocking.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM/position/9

Smitty77

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Sully is somewhere between Mo Speights and Paul Milsap. I would give him the average for his play (9-12 million).

He just can't create his own shot like Milsap, but he is an offensively skilled player, kinda' like Mo Speights. He is basically Speights spotup shooting and post play with Milsap's rebounding, steals, and passing.

All in an 6'9'' 280 pound frame that could put on 30 pounds if he had extra money to spend on junk food.

[Ogaju]

Like a lot of you here I kind of want to trade him before we have to give him big money. But if we can't trade him by the deadline and we can't get enough talent in FA for the money we have, maybe we should pay him big money on a short term. Something like Amir's deal. Over pay on a 1 year deal with a team option for another year. Expiring contracts have become less important and will keep going that way with the cap jumps but we can't let him walk for nothing. We also can't go backwards at this point.

Do you think he would agree t something like this? We said no to Faulks offer of giving him current max money aready so he will be a RFA. But, if we have nothing else worhtwhile to spend it on, maybe it is a good deal short term. thoughts?

No, he wont.