Kings and Celtics trade idea - Mclemore/WCS to Celtics

[BudweiserCeltic]

April Fools! :p

[mef730]

Unless the Curry that the OP is referencing is Stephen, I'll pass.

Mike

[pearljammer10]

God this is terrible.

I'd use that as my starting package for Cousins.... There is nothing that we'd get in return that is better than we'd be giving out. I wouldn't trade the Nets first for WCS and Mclemore straight up let alone an extra first and all that other talent.

[max215]

Haha, no thanks. What evidence is there to indicate that Danny ever wanted WCS in the first place?

[Tr1boy]

why would the Kings give up Mclemore and  WCS for nothing?

These are the same kind of reaction I remember seeing for Harrison Barnes trade idea a few seasons ago.

Mclemore is playing in a broken system.  He is not a guy that can carry a club , if he was, the Kings would not trade him

But I feel in a stable environment, he will become a very good player

AB is AB.  He has been decent for the past several seasons. He is going to have his downs soon enough. He is a solid 2 guard but undersized.   

Sullinger wants a big payday and I doubt Danny will give him the money he wants.

So either wait for a miracle (perfect trade scenario, where a Harrison Barnes is available) or take a chance on a super athlete  that CBS can mold into a top notch player

[Eddie20]

why would the Kings give up Mclemore and  WCS for nothing?

These are the same kind of reaction I remember seeing for Harrison Barnes trade idea a few seasons ago.

Mclemore is playing in a broken system.  He is not a guy that can carry a club , if he was, the Kings would not trade him

But I feel in a stable environment, he will become a very good player

AB is AB.  He has been decent for the past several seasons. He is going to have his downs soon enough. He is a solid 2 guard but undersized.   

Sullinger wants a big payday and I doubt Danny will give him the money he wants.

So either wait for a miracle (perfect trade scenario, where a Harrison Barnes is available) or take a chance on a super athlete  that CBS can mold into a top notch player

You keep comparing McLemore and Barnes and I'm not sure why. Barnes has great size/strength for a 3 and during the Warriors small ball/closing time lineups plays the 4. McLemore is a 6-5/195 shooting guard.

People fall in love with McLemore because he has a smooth looking shot, good athleticism, and nice size for a 2 guard. In other words, he's the prototypical 2 guard on paper. However, that's on paper. The truth is that he has low basketball IQ, poor ball handling (both handles and passing), bad shot selection, moves poorly without the ball, isn't a great finisher at the rim despite his athleticism, isn't a good defender, and doesn't a good feel for the game.

Bradley is only 2 years older than McLemore and is 2 times the player. Plus, he's locked up on a team friendly deal.

[Tr1boy]

why would the Kings give up Mclemore and  WCS for nothing?

These are the same kind of reaction I remember seeing for Harrison Barnes trade idea a few seasons ago.

Mclemore is playing in a broken system.  He is not a guy that can carry a club , if he was, the Kings would not trade him

But I feel in a stable environment, he will become a very good player

AB is AB.  He has been decent for the past several seasons. He is going to have his downs soon enough. He is a solid 2 guard but undersized.   

Sullinger wants a big payday and I doubt Danny will give him the money he wants.

So either wait for a miracle (perfect trade scenario, where a Harrison Barnes is available) or take a chance on a super athlete  that CBS can mold into a top notch player

You keep comparing McLemore and Barnes and I'm not sure why. Barnes has great size/strength for a 3 and during the Warriors small ball/closing time lineups plays the 4. McLemore is a 6-5/195 shooting guard.

People fall in love with McLemore because he has a smooth looking shot, good athleticism, and nice size for a 2 guard. In other words, he's the prototypical 2 guard on paper. However, that's on paper. The truth is that he has low basketball IQ, poor ball handling (both handles and passing), bad shot selection, moves poorly without the ball, isn't a great finisher at the rim despite his athleticism, isn't a good defender, and doesn't a good feel for the game.

Bradley is only 2 years older than McLemore and is 2 times the player. Plus, he's locked up on a team friendly deal.

You think AB had high BBIQ from the start? Or was even a competent player?  He has developed into a solid player today. But he will always be an undersized SG .

Mclemore is not 195 pounds.  RJ Hunter is 195. Mclemore is alot beefier than that.  He is 6'5 but so is Jimmy Butler who plays SF half the time for the Bulls.   

Mclemore has been known for his strong defensive play from college ball.  Playing for the Kings his defense has suffered. 

With having Marcus Smart, Rozier, Hunter AB is expandable. IT is definitely more valuable because of his ability to create offense. 

[Birdman]

That's a ton to give up for a couple guys who project as nice role players, but not much more than that.

agree

[Eddie20]

why would the Kings give up Mclemore and  WCS for nothing?

These are the same kind of reaction I remember seeing for Harrison Barnes trade idea a few seasons ago.

Mclemore is playing in a broken system.  He is not a guy that can carry a club , if he was, the Kings would not trade him

But I feel in a stable environment, he will become a very good player

AB is AB.  He has been decent for the past several seasons. He is going to have his downs soon enough. He is a solid 2 guard but undersized.   

Sullinger wants a big payday and I doubt Danny will give him the money he wants.

So either wait for a miracle (perfect trade scenario, where a Harrison Barnes is available) or take a chance on a super athlete  that CBS can mold into a top notch player

You keep comparing McLemore and Barnes and I'm not sure why. Barnes has great size/strength for a 3 and during the Warriors small ball/closing time lineups plays the 4. McLemore is a 6-5/195 shooting guard.

People fall in love with McLemore because he has a smooth looking shot, good athleticism, and nice size for a 2 guard. In other words, he's the prototypical 2 guard on paper. However, that's on paper. The truth is that he has low basketball IQ, poor ball handling (both handles and passing), bad shot selection, moves poorly without the ball, isn't a great finisher at the rim despite his athleticism, isn't a good defender, and doesn't a good feel for the game.

Bradley is only 2 years older than McLemore and is 2 times the player. Plus, he's locked up on a team friendly deal.

1. You think AB had high BBIQ from the start? Or was even a competent player?  He has developed into a solid player today. But he will always be an undersized SG .

2. Mclemore is not 195 pounds.  RJ Hunter is 195. Mclemore is alot beefier than that.  He is 6'5 but so is Jimmy Butler who plays SF half the time for the Bulls.   

3. Mclemore has been known for his strong defensive play from college ball.  Playing for the Kings his defense has suffered. 

4. With having Marcus Smart, Rozier, Hunter AB is expandable. IT is definitely more valuable because of his ability to create offense.

1. Never said that, but Bradley has developed. McLemore has not improved one iota and this is his 3rd season.

2. McLemore is listed as 195. If you have access to anything tangible other than what you believe then please share. Comparing him to Butler is pretty laughable. But to be accurate, Butler is listed at 6-7/220.

3. McLemore played 1 season in college and that was in the 12-13 season. Don't remember his defense then, but to say that he was known for strong D off of 30 college games is weak.

4. So your plan is to trade a better player (with the Nets pick to boot) for McLemore, and then pray/hope/throw a coin into a wishing well that he becomes as good as Bradley. Do you see the problem with that?

[Evantime34]

why would the Kings give up Mclemore and  WCS for nothing?

These are the same kind of reaction I remember seeing for Harrison Barnes trade idea a few seasons ago.

Mclemore is playing in a broken system.  He is not a guy that can carry a club , if he was, the Kings would not trade him

But I feel in a stable environment, he will become a very good player

AB is AB.  He has been decent for the past several seasons. He is going to have his downs soon enough. He is a solid 2 guard but undersized.   

Sullinger wants a big payday and I doubt Danny will give him the money he wants.

So either wait for a miracle (perfect trade scenario, where a Harrison Barnes is available) or take a chance on a super athlete  that CBS can mold into a top notch player

You keep comparing McLemore and Barnes and I'm not sure why. Barnes has great size/strength for a 3 and during the Warriors small ball/closing time lineups plays the 4. McLemore is a 6-5/195 shooting guard.

People fall in love with McLemore because he has a smooth looking shot, good athleticism, and nice size for a 2 guard. In other words, he's the prototypical 2 guard on paper. However, that's on paper. The truth is that he has low basketball IQ, poor ball handling (both handles and passing), bad shot selection, moves poorly without the ball, isn't a great finisher at the rim despite his athleticism, isn't a good defender, and doesn't a good feel for the game.

Bradley is only 2 years older than McLemore and is 2 times the player. Plus, he's locked up on a team friendly deal.

You think AB had high BBIQ from the start? Or was even a competent player?  He has developed into a solid player today. But he will always be an undersized SG .

Mclemore is not 195 pounds.  RJ Hunter is 195. Mclemore is alot beefier than that.  He is 6'5 but so is Jimmy Butler who plays SF half the time for the Bulls.   

Mclemore has been known for his strong defensive play from college ball.  Playing for the Kings his defense has suffered. 

With having Marcus Smart, Rozier, Hunter AB is expandable. IT is definitely more valuable because of his ability to create offense.

Bradley isn't expendable. Rozier isn't ready to make him expendable. Smart is having trouble staying healthy so we need Bradley.

Bradley's trade value is probably at an all time high. If you want to sell high on Bradley, I'm fine with that, but that package for WCS and McLeMore isn't selling high.

[Donoghus]

This trade would be awful for the Celtics & set back the rebuild quite some time due to the massive overpay here and what the Celtics would be getting in return.   

Hedging way too much on the potential of a 3rd year NBA player that really hasn't shown he's anywhere close to making the leap necessary to warrant the overpay.

[CelticSince83]

For a guy who sat out an entire season, but was able to practice with the team, he sure is a horrible ball handler (McLemore).  So enticing because he is a prototypical 2 guard.  Just doesn't have the feel for the game to go with it. 

I also would hesitate to draft anyone who has played for Bill Self.  Playing in a weave and ignoring one on one skills for a year or two isn't the best primer for the pros. 

[ssspence]

As Ben Affleck would say: get this they yah head!

The Kings are not trading any player they have who went to UK.

[colincb]

why would the Kings give up Mclemore and  WCS for nothing?

These are the same kind of reaction I remember seeing for Harrison Barnes trade idea a few seasons ago.

Mclemore is playing in a broken system.  He is not a guy that can carry a club , if he was, the Kings would not trade him

But I feel in a stable environment, he will become a very good player

AB is AB.  He has been decent for the past several seasons. He is going to have his downs soon enough. He is a solid 2 guard but undersized.   

Sullinger wants a big payday and I doubt Danny will give him the money he wants.

So either wait for a miracle (perfect trade scenario, where a Harrison Barnes is available) or take a chance on a super athlete  that CBS can mold into a top notch player

You keep comparing McLemore and Barnes and I'm not sure why. Barnes has great size/strength for a 3 and during the Warriors small ball/closing time lineups plays the 4. McLemore is a 6-5/195 shooting guard.

People fall in love with McLemore because he has a smooth looking shot, good athleticism, and nice size for a 2 guard. In other words, he's the prototypical 2 guard on paper. However, that's on paper. The truth is that he has low basketball IQ, poor ball handling (both handles and passing), bad shot selection, moves poorly without the ball, isn't a great finisher at the rim despite his athleticism, isn't a good defender, and doesn't a good feel for the game.

Bradley is only 2 years older than McLemore and is 2 times the player. Plus, he's locked up on a team friendly deal.

You think AB had high BBIQ from the start? Or was even a competent player?  He has developed into a solid player today. But he will always be an undersized SG .

Mclemore is not 195 pounds.  RJ Hunter is 195. Mclemore is alot beefier than that.  He is 6'5 but so is Jimmy Butler who plays SF half the time for the Bulls.   

Mclemore has been known for his strong defensive play from college ball.  Playing for the Kings his defense has suffered. 

With having Marcus Smart, Rozier, Hunter AB is expandable. IT is definitely more valuable because of his ability to create offense.

McLemore’s 6’3 without shoes according to Jeff Goodman’s conversation with him. 189 pounds per DraftExpress pre-draft video, 195 now per BB-reference. I was slightly heavier at his age at the same height and no one would ever consider me beefy.

Defensively, Draft Express said of him pre-draft:

- Should be much better defender than he is at this stage
- Allows far too much penetration considering his physical tool
- Too upright on defense, doesn’t always pressure the ball
- Loses his man off the ball – has trouble staying locked in

With SAC he has a defensive rating of 110 and a Defensive Block +/- of -2.7, 10th worst and 9th worst, respectively on a SAC team that is 26th in defensive rating per BB-reference. BM’s poorer on defense than his team.

His biggest problem, however, is that he has a poor handle and cannot create his own shot and turns the ball over a lot. He is a standstill shooter when not in transition and despite a decent TS%, he’s got a low PER. He’s below average on assists and rebounds too.

[Geo123]

Glad you're not our GM....