Cousins is a dog

[GreenWarrior]

I didn't see the whole game and I've only seen him play a handful of games(if that) and I can honestly say this guy is not worth the numbers he puts up. he's derrick coleman 2.0.

[Roy H.]

I'm not going to base my opinions on Cousins after his actions in one game in Mexico City... If this guy is available, you do what you can to get him. Period.

I told myself to start a thread on this subject *before* last night's game, i.e., no matter if Cousins had a good or bad game, one game means nothing.  You've got to consider his body o work (which has been tremendous).  It seems that many, many Celtics fans base their opinion of Cousins on the games he plays against the Celtics, and ignore all other evidence.

This game is not an outlier.

It was an outlier in terms of his production.  If Cousins came out and dominated like he has most of the season, it would have shut up a lot of the wrong-minded forum posters. However, he did not put up his normal 25 points and 11 rebounds, so it gives critics fuel.

And yes, he complains about the refs. So do most superstars. Griffin, Durant, Westbrook.  Those guys are near the top of the league in technical fouls every season. Lebron is a whiner. Paul Pierce was a whiner. It is part of today's NBA culture.

[Roy H.]

I didn't see the whole game and I've only seen him play a handful of games(if that) and I can honestly say this guy is not worth the numbers he puts up. he's derrick coleman 2.0.

You are making your assessment based on fewer than a handful of games?

I appreciate the honesty. I do think that it calls into question the validity of your assessment, however.

[Roy H.]

I'm not going to base my opinions on Cousins after his actions in one game in Mexico City... If this guy is available, you do what you can to get him. Period.

I told myself to start a thread on this subject *before* last night's game, i.e., no matter if Cousins had a good or bad game, one game means nothing.  You've got to consider his body o work (which has been tremendous).  It seems that many, many Celtics fans base their opinion of Cousins on the games he plays against the Celtics, and ignore all other evidence.

Roy do you trade the Nets pick for Cousins if it lands in the top 3?

I would trade at least two Brooklyn picks for him,with only top-1 protection on them.

[CsBanner18]

I'd still trade for him ANYDAY

[jpotter33]

Beggars can't be choosers, and since we're DYING for pure talent on this team, we're basically forced to consider a trade no matter what.

Though I still would trade for DMC, I absolutely HATE his body language. He regularly shows frustration through his body language, and does seem to pout much more than the average NBA player. I worry about his ability to be a leader on our team, but I still think his talent is worth the gamble.

[tarheelsxxiii]

I'm not going to base my opinions on Cousins after his actions in one game in Mexico City... If this guy is available, you do what you can to get him. Period.

I told myself to start a thread on this subject *before* last night's game, i.e., no matter if Cousins had a good or bad game, one game means nothing.  You've got to consider his body o work (which has been tremendous).  It seems that many, many Celtics fans base their opinion of Cousins on the games he plays against the Celtics, and ignore all other evidence.

Roy do you trade the Nets pick for Cousins if it lands in the top 3?

I would trade at least two Brooklyn picks for him,with only top-1 protection on them.

Convinced that Cousins can be the best player on a championship team?

[SHAQATTACK]

No...He is on a DOG of a team.

Not that the players are so bad .....but the whole organization is a mess that is supposed to work together as ONE .    .....lots of Chiefs and too few Indians.

I doubt the players really like Karl and I doubt he cares for them......sure he'd rather build his OWN tem from players that fit his plans.

Owners are the biggest problem.   Then they hire idiots and yes men . The owners are not experts I. Basketball . They should stay out of the way and let smart men make descions.

Basically King has been a TURRible waste of the education of Cousins .

He has really had to grow the hard way with this dis functional  organization

He needs a structured program , with focus on a daily basis .

I'm shocked he is not worse off than he is .

He needs to leave for the sake of his career

[Monkhouse]

I don't even think people understand how much the Sacramento Kings suck.

No...He is on a DOG of a team.

Not that the players are so bad .....but the whole organization is a mess that is supposed to work together as ONE .    .....lots of Chiefs and too few Indians.

I doubt the players really like Karl and I doubt he cares for them......sure he'd rather build his OWN tem from players that fit his plans.

Owners are the biggest problem.   Then they hire idiots and yes men . The owners are not experts I. Basketball . They should stay out of the way and let smart men make descions.

Basically King has been a TURRible waste of the education of Cousins .

He has really had to grow the hard way with this dis functional  organization

He needs a structured program , with focus on a daily basis .

I'm shocked he is not worse off than he is .

He needs to leave for the sake of his career

Yup.

How can you have such a talented player like Cousins and not even make the playoffs?

I'm sorry, but people blame DMC...

You really think a player of DMC's caliber wouldn't be put to good use by Ainge? Come on..

[tarheelsxxiii]

Beggars can't be choosers, and since we're DYING for pure talent on this team, we're basically forced to consider a trade no matter what.

I imagine this accounts for a significant portion of the variability in opinions about Cousins. I tend to agree that he would be worth a BKN pick or two (ouch), but only if there is a second-move for another all-star in the works. Highly doubt that a move would be made by Ainge without that, just as I don't think the Wiggins-Love trade happens without an unspoken agreement for Love to resign with CLE, and the same could be said for KG headed to Boston after the Allen trade. 

A trade for Cousins probably doesn't happen anytime soon. Kings have made it clear they covet him. Also, a trade of that magnitude is probably made with a much bigger plan in place. A good GM wouldn't completely fleece their roster for Cousins, or any one, without a follow-up move for a #2 (unless he's already there). We would be no different, and arguably in worse shape actually, than NO with A. Davis & co.

[Monkhouse]

Beggars can't be choosers, and since we're DYING for pure talent on this team, we're basically forced to consider a trade no matter what.

I imagine this accounts for a significant portion of the variability in opinions about Cousins. I tend to agree that he would be worth a BKN pick or two (ouch), but only if there is a second-move for another all-star in the works. Highly doubt that a move would be made by Ainge without that, just as I don't think the Wiggins-Love trade happens without an unspoken agreement for Love to resign with CLE, and the same could be said for KG headed to Boston after the Allen trade. 

A trade for Cousins probably doesn't happen anytime soon. Kings have made it clear they covet him. Also, a trade of that magnitude is probably made with a much bigger plan in place. A good GM wouldn't completely fleece their roster for Cousins, or any one, without a follow-up move for a #2 (unless he's already there). We would be no different, and arguably in worse shape actually, than NO with A. Davis & co.

I would argue that our team as is is better than the Pelicans.

It depends on what we're trading and I agree, we would need that 2nd go to scorer.

My pipe dream would be a Smart, Durant, and Cousins team.

Realistically if Melo doesn't see a future with the Knicks, or decides he actually wants to win, then maybe Melo, Cousins, and Smart/AB can be a good enough contender to win in the East.

[FreddieJ]

The Kings aren't trading him anyway, and Cousins wants to make it work in Sacramento. Whether or not the Celtics would trade the 2016 Nets pick for Cousins is literally as pertinent as whether or not they would trade it for Russell or Griffin

[tarheelsxxiii]

Beggars can't be choosers, and since we're DYING for pure talent on this team, we're basically forced to consider a trade no matter what.

I imagine this accounts for a significant portion of the variability in opinions about Cousins. I tend to agree that he would be worth a BKN pick or two (ouch), but only if there is a second-move for another all-star in the works. Highly doubt that a move would be made by Ainge without that, just as I don't think the Wiggins-Love trade happens without an unspoken agreement for Love to resign with CLE, and the same could be said for KG headed to Boston after the Allen trade. 

A trade for Cousins probably doesn't happen anytime soon. Kings have made it clear they covet him. Also, a trade of that magnitude is probably made with a much bigger plan in place. A good GM wouldn't completely fleece their roster for Cousins, or any one, without a follow-up move for a #2 (unless he's already there). We would be no different, and arguably in worse shape actually, than NO with A. Davis & co.

I would argue that our team as is is better than the Pelicans.

It depends on what we're trading and I agree, we would need that 2nd go to scorer.

My pipe dream would be a Smart, Durant, and Cousins team.

Realistically if Melo doesn't see a future with the Knicks, or decides he actually wants to win, then maybe Melo, Cousins, and Smart/AB can be a good enough contender to win in the East.

I agree that it's debatable, with Gordon and RyNo as FAs this year, and Evans and Holiday after next season. When healthy, though, Gordon and Holiday are solid, and RyNo (great year this season) and Evans are no slouches. Their future is really up in the air.

I do think the cost for Cousins would be high, though, which drew the comparison. We would be asked for a lot, and an initial counter would probably include Smart. For NO's sake, hopefully they can maintain part of that core... no one is over 27 ... to continue building with AD and their 1st this year.

Maybe a trio of Melo, Cousins, and Smart could contend in the East. Interesting thought. CLE is pretty well established but injury-riddled for the foreseeable future. The window would be small with all the wear on Melo's tires, obviously. Having two core pieces for a long-term run would definitely be ideal though. Success may hinge in part on Smart's offensive development too... but I agree the three seem to complement each other well.

[crimson_stallion]

Surprised there isn't a thread on this already after last nights game . He literally complains after every play , gives  dirty look to the ref and then casually mopes back to the defensive end often times letting his man beat him down the court.

It's just mind boggling how people think he would be a franchise player . He has no leadership aspects to his game . When he gets it going on offense it is a 1 man show . I don't see him making teammates better .

No way in hell am I trading the nets pick this year for him, forget about multiple nets .

Yeah, that doesn't sound AT ALL like things Lebron James would do...

The funny thing is, all of what you just said ultimately means absolutely nothing.  It doesn't matter that Cousins complains about plays.  It doesn't matter that he stares down officials.  It doesn't matter.  It doesn't matter if he sometimes gets beat on D. 

You know why?

Because he makes his team better.  Much, much, much better.  Like, day and night better.

There is a reason why Demarcus Cousins has been one of the NBA leaders in Real Plus Minus.

There is a reason why the Kings are 1-7 when Cousins is out, and 6-6 when he plays.  That's the difference between being 76ers bad versus being a playoff team.  I can't imagine you would find more than maybe 5 or 6 guys in the past three years who have impacted their teams wins that much.

So at the end of the day you can say all you want, but Cousins is no different to Lebron James.  Lebron is a whiner, Lebron constantly takes plays off on D, Lebron has at least 5 uncalled travels/fouls per game, and he's generally an arrogant putz.

BUT if you had a chance to get him on your team you're never going to say no, because at the end of the day he's going to win you games. 

If you took our current team and added Cousins, we would become an INSTANT contender,and would almost certainly be a top 3 (probably top 2) seed in the East.  We would have a legit shot at competing for a title.  If the downside of that is having a guy who whinges a bit, then so be it.

[Big333223]

Because he makes his team better.  Much, much, much better.  Like, day and night better.

I'd cool it with the "much, much, much better" since they've never sniffed the playoffs or won even 30 games with Cousins, now in his 6th year. Yes, the teams around him haven't been good either so he's not entirely to blame, but it makes it hard to argue that he makes those team better at all if he's never won 30 games.