Would you trade Amir Johnson+ Jerebko for Nene and Kelly Oubre?

[chambers]

Amir is a great defensive presence and Jerebko is a nice 8th/9th guy off the bench.
Nene is cooked and pretty useless, but we'd get back Kelly Oubre who is a nice young wing prospect to add to our young core.

Why for Wizards?
They need interior depth and Amir can play the 4 or 5 in their new small ball. Jerebko provides more bench help and also fits their recent transition to small ball.

Why for us?
We get a very nice young prospect for two essentially expiring contracts.  It also gives Jordan Mickey some time on the court. Yes we can keep Amir and Jerebko if we pick up the 2nd year on their deals but I can't see us getting much better a return (other than the ability to match salary easier in a big trade).

We still have Lee to pick up Amir's minutes and this also give Mickey some NBA time asap.

So what do you prefer?
Keeping Amir as our defensive anchor in the middle because it will help our young guys having him on the court/in the locker room?

Or moving Amir and getting back a nice SF prospect locked up for essentially another 3 years, and giving Jordan Mickey some meaningful NBA minutes?

[TheSundanceKid]

I prefer keeping them. I think they were signed with eyes towards a bigger trade. Their value really starts to show at the trade deadline, but even more so on draft night. That second year non-guaranteed is better than an expiring because it means we can trade them on draft night.
Whilst Oubre is a good prospect he only makes sense if we are going to take a step back this year which I don;t think we will.

[ssspence]

Do we really need a second Kelly Oubre trade thread today?

[MikeJelly]

Im definitely for this. I'd be bummed parting with Jerebko but we know he isnt a building block for this team. Oubre could be.

I'm not at all enamored with Johnson. I don't like him nearly as much as you guys do. I don't see him as that hardnose player that everyone else does. So I'd be fine letting him go.

Nene is washed up and would essentially join Zeller on the bench, thus making our rotations a bit tighter. The fact he's expiring is just icing on the cake.

Anyone know if salaries work?

[Vermont Green]

Amir is a puzzle.  Seems he should be better.  I wonder if he has been dealing with a minor injury or something like that.  He has been trending some improvement the last few games.  Let's hope it continues.

[chambers]

Im definitely for this. I'd be bummed parting with Jerebko but we know he isnt a building block for this team. Oubre could be.

I'm not at all enamored with Johnson. I don't like him nearly as much as you guys do. I don't see him as that hardnose player that everyone else does. So I'd be fine letting him go.

Nene is washed up and would essentially join Zeller on the bench, thus making our rotations a bit tighter. The fact he's expiring is just icing on the cake.

Anyone know if salaries work?

Nene 13 million and Amir 12 million. Jerebko 5 million. Does $17 million for $13 million work? I might have to involve another player from each team which starts to make it tricky.

[chambers]

Amir is a puzzle.  Seems he should be better.  I wonder if he has been dealing with a minor injury or something like that.  He has been trending some improvement the last few games.  Let's hope it continues.

His ankles are made of glass. He's been on the decline for a while but he's still a tough SOB on D and a major upgrade over anything we've had in the last 4 years as far as defensive toughness/talent goes in our big man rotation.

[tazzmaniac]

Im definitely for this. I'd be bummed parting with Jerebko but we know he isnt a building block for this team. Oubre could be.

I'm not at all enamored with Johnson. I don't like him nearly as much as you guys do. I don't see him as that hardnose player that everyone else does. So I'd be fine letting him go.

Nene is washed up and would essentially join Zeller on the bench, thus making our rotations a bit tighter. The fact he's expiring is just icing on the cake.

Anyone know if salaries work?

Nene 13 million and Amir 12 million. Jerebko 5 million. Does $17 million for $13 million work? I might have to involve another player from each team which starts to make it tricky.

You're not including Oubre's 1.9mil.  So it is really 17mil for 14.9mil.  It looks like Washington can take on the additional 2.1mil and just barely stay under the tax line.  So the trade should work. 

[slamtheking]

Oubre looked like a decent prospect in the draft if we had a shot at him at 16 but I haven't seen anything from him this season that would motivate this trade.  Amir and Jonas both have that non-guaranteed year next year so if they're going to be used in a trade, it should be for a much bigger fish than Oubre

[TheSundanceKid]

Oubre looked like a decent prospect in the draft if we had a shot at him at 16 but I haven't seen anything from him this season that would motivate this trade.  Amir and Jonas both have that non-guaranteed year next year so if they're going to be used in a trade, it should be for a much bigger fish than Oubre

Exactly, I think this is what people are missing. Fans may not be happy with how they are performing at the moment, but they were signed to be trade assets at the deadline or draft night for a big fish. No need to waste their contracts on Oubre.

[saltlover]

No.  I like my idea better.  Nene really has little to offer this team, and that's a ton to pay for Oubre.  He's a fine prospect, but he's not helping the team this year.  The chances are much higher that Amir and JJ will.  This team, while maddenly inconsistent, still has a good record and an even better point differential.  They've been playing well overall on the whole, and trading two rotation players for one D-leaguer and one often-injured fringe rotation player is the wrong type of move.

[chambers]

No.  I like my idea better.  Nene really has little to offer this team, and that's a ton to pay for Oubre.  He's a fine prospect, but he's not helping the team this year.  The chances are much higher that Amir and JJ will.  This team, while maddenly inconsistent, still has a good record and an even better point differential.  They've been playing well overall on the whole, and trading two rotation players for one D-leaguer and one often-injured fringe rotation player is the wrong type of move.

Dunno if it's fair to call Oubre a D Leaguer when he's averaged 7.5 minutes a game and only played 11 games in his career. He was the #15 pick and had he stayed in school, would probably be higher this year.

Amir and JJ are nice role players and the team has a good thing going- I can understand why people don't want to mess with that for a rookie. Fair enough.

I essentially want people to look at my trade as an Amir for Oubre trade.

I think your idea is solid, but we'd have to give up a lot more than expiring Zeller and the 31st pick. Zeller just isn't good enough to give up Oubre's potential for. (in my opinion).

[PhoSita]

Maintain future flexibility and pick up a high ceiling prospect?  Absolutely. 

[saltlover]

No.  I like my idea better.  Nene really has little to offer this team, and that's a ton to pay for Oubre.  He's a fine prospect, but he's not helping the team this year.  The chances are much higher that Amir and JJ will.  This team, while maddenly inconsistent, still has a good record and an even better point differential.  They've been playing well overall on the whole, and trading two rotation players for one D-leaguer and one often-injured fringe rotation player is the wrong type of move.

Dunno if it's fair to call Oubre a D Leaguer when he's averaged 7.5 minutes a game and only played 11 games in his career. He was the #15 pick and had he stayed in school, would probably be higher this year.

Amir and JJ are nice role players and the team has a good thing going- I can understand why people don't want to mess with that for a rookie. Fair enough.

I essentially want people to look at my trade as an Amir for Oubre trade.

I think your idea is solid, but we'd have to give up a lot more than expiring Zeller and the 31st pick. Zeller just isn't good enough to give up Oubre's potential for. (in my opinion).

I think it's perfectly fair to call Oubre a D-leaguer.  If Washington had a D-league affiliate, for sure that's where he'd be.  We're talking about a 19 year-old who's shooting 34% from the floor and has more fouls than made baskets.  He is clearly not NBA ready.

In terms of Amir for Oubre, it's a poor idea because that's not what Amir is to be used for.  He's to a) provide quality on-court production this year as the team hopes to build on the second half of last season, which will both help develop some of the young guys on this team as well as make it a more attaractive free agent destination next summer.  And b) to be the potentially traded on draft night with a pick or picks, potentially also along with Jerebko, for a max contract player.  On draft night, those two can bring back $22 million in salary without making the other team take on any salary in 2016.  And c) if such a trade doesn't present itself but he's performed reasonably well, he'll be a Celtic in 2016.

Oubre and Nene don't offer any of that.  And Oubre is nice, but there will be a Kelly Oubre next year too.  There always is.  You don't trade Amir for that.  You trade Zeller for that, or you move on.

[fairweatherfan]

Yeah, I think trying to pick up Oubre would be a solid forward-looking move, but not for this.  I might do Lee + Zeller, though (haven't checked salaries, just talking value-wise).