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Big Enough??
« on: November 21, 2015, 09:09:51 PM »

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There has been a bunch of talk lately of the Celtics going after big guys.  Am I the only one who thinks the Celtics bigs are good enough and that they should not spend assets on bringing in another one, even if he is really good?  I think their biggest weakness is small forward.  I think they need an All Star caliber small forward (think young Paul Pierce) to be the go to guy. I think it would put them over the top and make them legit contenders, not just in the East but for another Banner.  I am not saying that the bigs couldn't be upgraded or that they are the best in the league or anything.  I just think they are no longer a weakness of the team. 

I would much rather they spent the assets, including a big (preferably not named Olynyk) to get a big time small forward.  Now, obviously some of the top guys in this draft are supposed to be small forwards so maybe it's just a waiting game. 

Personally I would be calling Larry Bird and giving him Godfather offers everyday for Paul George. 

Re: Big Enough??
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 09:13:51 PM »

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We have a bazillion picks and we can't draft them all, wouldn't hurt to use them, but I do hesitate on the outgoing players and who we use them on.
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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 09:27:44 PM »

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Not sold on PG
Yes i think he is a all-star level player but don't seem to be a superstar
He never can lead his team to pass LBJ, and he can't even owe the old PP
if you are going to clean the farm you should go after KD/Davis/DMC level player

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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2015, 09:36:59 PM »

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Not sold on PG
Yes i think he is a all-star level player but don't seem to be a superstar
He never can lead his team to pass LBJ, and he can't even owe the old PP
if you are going to clean the farm you should go after KD/Davis/DMC level player

Really? George is a top 5 player in the league

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2015, 09:55:50 PM »

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Not sold on PG
Yes i think he is a all-star level player but don't seem to be a superstar
He never can lead his team to pass LBJ, and he can't even owe the old PP
if you are going to clean the farm you should go after KD/Davis/DMC level player

To be fair, a lot of teams couldn't pass LBJ. Dude's been in the Finals for how many years now? Meanwhile, DMC can't even get in the playoffs.

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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2015, 10:00:08 PM »

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Not sold on PG
Yes i think he is a all-star level player but don't seem to be a superstar
He never can lead his team to pass LBJ, and he can't even owe the old PP
if you are going to clean the farm you should go after KD/Davis/DMC level player

Really? George is a top 5 player in the league
Yeah i have watched the Pacer game which he beat us but still don't feel that way

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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2015, 10:00:59 PM »

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There has been a bunch of talk lately of the Celtics going after big guys.  Am I the only one who thinks the Celtics bigs are good enough and that they should not spend assets on bringing in another one, even if he is really good?  I think their biggest weakness is small forward.  I think they need an All Star caliber small forward (think young Paul Pierce) to be the go to guy. I think it would put them over the top and make them legit contenders, not just in the East but for another Banner.  I am not saying that the bigs couldn't be upgraded or that they are the best in the league or anything.  I just think they are no longer a weakness of the team. 

I would much rather they spent the assets, including a big (preferably not named Olynyk) to get a big time small forward.  Now, obviously some of the top guys in this draft are supposed to be small forwards so maybe it's just a waiting game. 

Personally I would be calling Larry Bird and giving him Godfather offers everyday for Paul George.

I agree with you that we don't need any more bigs. If we could get Kevin Love here and send out some big bodies that would be great- but there aren't many elite 3 point shooting bigs that would fit our system.

Unfortunately we just don't have enough to get PG from the Pacers.
They have a top 5-8 player who is 3 years away from his prime. Why would they give him up?
They wouldn't give him up for Marcus Smart+all our Brooklyn picks because it's unlikely they'd even get one player as good as PG out of all those picks.

If PG was 29 or 30 then they'd probably consider, but at age 25 he's just not going anywhere.
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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2015, 10:03:01 PM »

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Not sold on PG
Yes i think he is a all-star level player but don't seem to be a superstar
He never can lead his team to pass LBJ, and he can't even owe the old PP
if you are going to clean the farm you should go after KD/Davis/DMC level player

To be fair, a lot of teams couldn't pass LBJ. Dude's been in the Finals for how many years now? Meanwhile, DMC can't even get in the playoffs.
LBJ beat the Pacer 2 or 3 time in the playoff?
consider both team's members, if PG is a top-5 superstar player i will expect they at least win once

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2015, 10:05:23 PM »

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There has been a bunch of talk lately of the Celtics going after big guys.  Am I the only one who thinks the Celtics bigs are good enough and that they should not spend assets on bringing in another one, even if he is really good?  I think their biggest weakness is small forward.  I think they need an All Star caliber small forward (think young Paul Pierce) to be the go to guy. I think it would put them over the top and make them legit contenders, not just in the East but for another Banner.  I am not saying that the bigs couldn't be upgraded or that they are the best in the league or anything.  I just think they are no longer a weakness of the team. 

I would much rather they spent the assets, including a big (preferably not named Olynyk) to get a big time small forward.  Now, obviously some of the top guys in this draft are supposed to be small forwards so maybe it's just a waiting game. 

Personally I would be calling Larry Bird and giving him Godfather offers everyday for Paul George.

I agree with you that we don't need any more bigs. If we could get Kevin Love here and send out some big bodies that would be great- but there aren't many elite 3 point shooting bigs that would fit our system.

Unfortunately we just don't have enough to get PG from the Pacers.
They have a top 5-8 player who is 3 years away from his prime. Why would they give him up?
They wouldn't give him up for Marcus Smart+all our Brooklyn picks because it's unlikely they'd even get one player as good as PG out of all those picks.

If PG was 29 or 30 then they'd probably consider, but at age 25 he's just not going anywhere.

Yeah I agree with you completely.  I can't imagine why they would trade him and was shocked when he came up on that list of guys who could be traded this season.  It still wouldn't stop me from trying.   :D

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2015, 10:32:30 PM »

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There has been a bunch of talk lately of the Celtics going after big guys.  Am I the only one who thinks the Celtics bigs are good enough and that they should not spend assets on bringing in another one, even if he is really good?  I think their biggest weakness is small forward.  I think they need an All Star caliber small forward (think young Paul Pierce) to be the go to guy. I think it would put them over the top and make them legit contenders, not just in the East but for another Banner.  I am not saying that the bigs couldn't be upgraded or that they are the best in the league or anything.  I just think they are no longer a weakness of the team. 

I would much rather they spent the assets, including a big (preferably not named Olynyk) to get a big time small forward.  Now, obviously some of the top guys in this draft are supposed to be small forwards so maybe it's just a waiting game. 

Personally I would be calling Larry Bird and giving him Godfather offers everyday for Paul George.

I agree with you that we don't need any more bigs. If we could get Kevin Love here and send out some big bodies that would be great- but there aren't many elite 3 point shooting bigs that would fit our system.

Unfortunately we just don't have enough to get PG from the Pacers.
They have a top 5-8 player who is 3 years away from his prime. Why would they give him up?
They wouldn't give him up for Marcus Smart+all our Brooklyn picks because it's unlikely they'd even get one player as good as PG out of all those picks.

If PG was 29 or 30 then they'd probably consider, but at age 25 he's just not going anywhere.

Yeah I agree with you completely.  I can't imagine why they would trade him and was shocked when he came up on that list of guys who could be traded this season.  It still wouldn't stop me from trying.   :D

It would take a covert operation to spike Larry Bird's drink to get him to agree :)
He would be an amazing pick up though, he looks better than he was pre injury. Just keeps getting better and better.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2015, 11:33:02 PM »

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Yeah. Not sold on Paul George bro? Compared to what? Evan Turner. Im sold in the fact he's a lot better than what we have.

 That would be a dream get fit this team.

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2015, 11:34:10 PM »

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So glad this isn't an Off Topic thread.

Yay Paul George. Sell the farm. Collect the rings.
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« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2015, 12:21:26 AM »

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I have to disagree with the OP. First let me say that we just need a star period, position doesn't matter as much as getting one. That said, if I could get an equal talent at any position I think the 3 would be the last one I would take. The OP thinks it is our weakest spot, I think it may be our strongest spot. Crowder is already very good on D and is showing to not be a liability on O. He will only get better too.

So, if I am Ainge I think my first goal is to bring in a star 4 or 5 or a big 3 that can play the 4 a la PP the last few years. Our D is what is making us win. We've got something very special with our 1 2 and 3 right now.

But as I already said, I'd take a star at any spot because they are so hard to get. 

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« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 12:22:38 AM »

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So glad this isn't an Off Topic thread.


lol

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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 12:34:01 AM »

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Not sold on PG
Yes i think he is a all-star level player but don't seem to be a superstar
He never can lead his team to pass LBJ, and he can't even owe the old PP
if you are going to clean the farm you should go after KD/Davis/DMC level player

To be fair, a lot of teams couldn't pass LBJ. Dude's been in the Finals for how many years now? Meanwhile, DMC can't even get in the playoffs.
LBJ beat the Pacer 2 or 3 time in the playoff?
consider both team's members, if PG is a top-5 superstar player i will expect they at least win once

considering the Heat team vs the Pacers team? Well, Wade and Bosh are multiple all-stars and are still killing it. Meanwhile, Lance Stephenson and Roy Hibbert are battling for minutes with their new teams.

Penalizing PG for not making it past that vaunted Heat team is like saying you would've passed on KG because he couldn't get out of the West when he was in Minny. I mean, he should've at least beat Duncan's Spurs or Shaq/Kobe's Lakers at least once, right? ::)

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