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Offline Tr1boy

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I don't get it. The Mavs bigger backcourt played ISO on IT with less than 4 mins to go.  When a double game to help out, the pgs hit the open man to perfection. And this happened repeatedly

This is an error that shouldn't have occurred.  It pretty much happened repeatedly. 

CBS got outcoached tonight. Can't win them all, but I wish he would played the subbing in Smart for D purpose and IT for the offensive end. 


Re: Why didn't CBS substitute in Smart for IT late in the game for D reasons?
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2015, 11:28:21 PM »

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IT got killed but we needed his offense so somebody was gonna be mismatched on him anyway wether Smart was in or not he probably thought he wasn't playing well
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The way the C's are built, they need IT on the floor nearly all the time, especially down the stretch. He's the only guy on the team who can reliably create a shot or at least make things happen. Unfortunately, he's also an overmatched defender most of the time. Carlisle gameplanned for this and ran the offense pretty much through anyone who IT was guarding.


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Re: Why didn't CBS substitute in Smart for IT late in the game for D reasons?
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2015, 08:46:46 AM »

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He did on at least a couple of possessions late in the game. 
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Re: Why didn't CBS substitute in Smart for IT late in the game for D reasons?
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he did substitute Smart when IT was getting picked on throughout the game.  The problem, as I mentioned in the game thread, is that this game shows why the C's need a starting-quality PG --> none of the guards on their roster can consistently do all of the following:
- facilitate the offense
- provide a scoring threat
- provide solid D

I like Smart but he's too inconsistent on offense.  IT is a defensive liability.  Neither is a great facilitator on offense. 

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he did substitute Smart when IT was getting picked on throughout the game.  The problem, as I mentioned in the game thread, is that this game shows why the C's need a starting-quality PG --> none of the guards on their roster can consistently do all of the following:
- facilitate the offense
- provide a scoring threat
- provide solid D

I like Smart but he's too inconsistent on offense.  IT is a defensive liability.  Neither is a great facilitator on offense.

True. That is why CBS has to piece and match right now

Smart has been inefficient since college. And I wonder if he will ever become efficient and consistent.  Or unfortunately he needs to take 12-13 shots a game regardless of efficiency to get his offensive game going

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he did substitute Smart when IT was getting picked on throughout the game.  The problem, as I mentioned in the game thread, is that this game shows why the C's need a starting-quality PG --> none of the guards on their roster can consistently do all of the following:
- facilitate the offense
- provide a scoring threat
- provide solid D

I like Smart but he's too inconsistent on offense.  IT is a defensive liability.  Neither is a great facilitator on offense.

True. That is why CBS has to piece and match right now

Smart has been inefficient since college. And I wonder if he will ever become efficient and consistent.  Or unfortunately he needs to take 12-13 shots a game regardless of efficiency to get his offensive game going

He needs to improve his shot selection. He's too in love with the 3 like Walker used to be. Smart should live inside the arc and supplement his game with 3's when need be.

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he did substitute Smart when IT was getting picked on throughout the game.  The problem, as I mentioned in the game thread, is that this game shows why the C's need a starting-quality PG --> none of the guards on their roster can consistently do all of the following:
- facilitate the offense
- provide a scoring threat
- provide solid D

I like Smart but he's too inconsistent on offense.  IT is a defensive liability.  Neither is a great facilitator on offense.

I think Smart could be a good starting PG if surrounded by the right guys.

He's handling the ball a lot better this season and doesn't turn it over often. Makes some really good plays with the ball, and has hit clutch shots at the end of games.

What the issue is maybe out side of Sully right now, no one else is a legit starter. IT is better off the bench and with him at PG it takes the ball out of Smarts hands and he's limited on the offense.

 If AB starts its a bit better, but lack the size that they could expose with a bigger SG, and AB has been better off the bench than starting the last couple of games.

Crowder is a nice player, but not a starter. He's an energy off the bench big D SF/PF that can light it up from time to time.

Sully has been playing like a starter, hopefully if he stays and gets a fat contract, he doesn't get fat as well.

Amir is like Crowder, off the bench energy D PF/C that can get you buckets off of offesnive rebounds. But we really could use a center that can hit a mid range jumper so that if some one drives they have some one close to the hoop they can kick it out to.

I think an upgrade at the 2 or 3 that can take on a bulk of the scoring would make Smart a much better player.

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he did substitute Smart when IT was getting picked on throughout the game.  The problem, as I mentioned in the game thread, is that this game shows why the C's need a starting-quality PG --> none of the guards on their roster can consistently do all of the following:
- facilitate the offense
- provide a scoring threat
- provide solid D

I like Smart but he's too inconsistent on offense.  IT is a defensive liability.  Neither is a great facilitator on offense.

True. That is why CBS has to piece and match right now

Smart has been inefficient since college. And I wonder if he will ever become efficient and consistent.  Or unfortunately he needs to take 12-13 shots a game regardless of efficiency to get his offensive game going

He needs to improve his shot selection. He's too in love with the 3 like Walker used to be. Smart should live inside the arc and supplement his game with 3's when need be.

Problem is he struggles to score in the paint as well.

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Crowder is a legit starter. How many teams start 5 guys that are clearly better than him?

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I don't get it. The Mavs bigger backcourt played ISO on IT with less than 4 mins to go.  When a double game to help out, the pgs hit the open man to perfection. And this happened repeatedly

This is an error that shouldn't have occurred.  It pretty much happened repeatedly. 

CBS got outcoached tonight. Can't win them all, but I wish he would played the subbing in Smart for D purpose and IT for the offensive end.
Because when you're playing from behind, you can't actually get back into the game without scoring. And no-one on this team can be counted to score with regularity other than Thomas.
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I don't get it. The Mavs bigger backcourt played ISO on IT with less than 4 mins to go.  When a double game to help out, the pgs hit the open man to perfection. And this happened repeatedly

This is an error that shouldn't have occurred.  It pretty much happened repeatedly. 

CBS got outcoached tonight. Can't win them all, but I wish he would played the subbing in Smart for D purpose and IT for the offensive end.
Because when you're playing from behind, you can't actually get back into the game without scoring. And no-one on this team can be counted to score with regularity other than Thomas.
that's the conundrum facing Stevens and the C's that Dallas/Carlisle exposed for everyone to see.  These days with almost every team having a really good PG, I anticipate this occurring more often down the stretch of close games --> opposing PGs posting up IT on offense where he has no hope of interfering with a shot over him or a pass to an open man due to IT requiring double-team assistance.

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I don't get it. The Mavs bigger backcourt played ISO on IT with less than 4 mins to go.  When a double game to help out, the pgs hit the open man to perfection. And this happened repeatedly

This is an error that shouldn't have occurred.  It pretty much happened repeatedly. 

CBS got outcoached tonight. Can't win them all, but I wish he would played the subbing in Smart for D purpose and IT for the offensive end.
Because when you're playing from behind, you can't actually get back into the game without scoring. And no-one on this team can be counted to score with regularity other than Thomas.

I dont think you understand  the details of my point.

Sub in and sub out game could of been performed repeatedly after each whistle

Defense SB also the first priority

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I dont think you understand  the details of my point.

Sub in and sub out game could of been performed repeatedly after each whistle

Defense SB also the first priority
I understand offense-defense substitutions. It's hard to make them with 4 minutes left, because there aren't enough whistles and you're bound to get stuck with your defensive lineup when you absolutely need a basket. Remember, to sub you need (a) timeout, (b) foul, (c) out-of-bounds call.
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Once a guy gives up three baskets you make the switch or double his man.