Give Sully a 4 year 32 million deal?

[BudweiserCeltic]

I honestly don't know what he's going to get, but from what I've seen in this thread is more of the usual CelticsBlog forum assessment... a complete underestimation of the free-agent market price and player worth more so in a year that all teams will be spending like crazy.

[fairweatherfan]

The thing is, restricted free agents often don't get the deals they are looking to get.  I think someone probably takes a chance on him with 10mil/year but he does have some red flags that will undoubtedly scare some teams away.  Between his injury history and his conditioning and weight issues, he might not get the offer his production would suggest he deserves.

This usually is because the RFA's team makes it clear they will match the offers.  Teams don't want their caps tied up in an offer sheet when they don't expect to get the guy anyway. 

But I suspect we will make it fairly clear we won't match high $ offers, which may make them more likely (though we might try to engineer a S+T).  Plus more cap space = not as punitive to have some of it trapped in an offer sheet for a few days.  So this may be less likely this offseason than past years.

[Donoghus]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

[TheTruthFot18]

just look at Kantars and Thompson's contacts. Hes prolly gonna get 17m+

I don't see DA trying to Keep Up With The Joneses by overpaying for a backup PF/C who specializes in rebounding and post moves but can't block.

That said the way Sully is playing makes me want him back. We all know the AB contract wasn't popular at the time but is it really considered an overpay now? And Sully will likely get a current cap similar deal. If he gets around 10/year that'd be the same as AB's 8/year under the old cap. Maybe better.

[Tr1boy]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

[Donoghus]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though. 

[Tr1boy]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though.

He is not worth as much as people think he is. And losing him is not the end of the world. Bottom line

[Donoghus]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though.

He is not worth as much as people think he is. And losing him is not the end of the world. Bottom line

"Bottom line"?  Why?  Because you say so?  Have you seen the new salary structure and contracts in the NBA?  There is no way in heck that Sullinger would accept a 4 year $32 million contract with some of the contracts being given to his peers.  It's not necessarily about what "people think", its what the market dictates and you can bet his agent knows that.   

People can argue all day about whether or not they want Sully on the Celtics next year, that's a fair debate.  But thinking that Sully would accept that offer is bananas.

[clover]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

I don't get that rationale. If a player has given his all for the team through his first contract (putting aside for the moment whether Sully has done that), shouldn't the team likewise pay a little more for that? Then, by my accounting, the two obligations cancel out--and you end up with the player getting a fair market price.

[Evantime34]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though.

He is not worth as much as people think he is. And losing him is not the end of the world. Bottom line

I bet you all my tommy points that he gets a higher annual average value than $8 MM if he stays healthy the entire year.

There is a pretty good chance that he is worth as much as all the other people think, and more than you think, rather than you being the only one that is right and everyone else being wrong.

That being said, completely agree that losing him is not the end of the world, which is why I think we should deal him at the deadline before we are the ones giving him a big contract.

[Tr1boy]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

I don't get that rationale. If a player has given his all for the team through his first contract (putting aside for the moment whether Sully has done that), shouldn't the team likewise pay a little more for that? Then, by my accounting, the two obligations cancel out--and you end up with the player getting a fair market price.

Has sully given his all from the start?

Now that his contract year is coming up and Danny hounding him to get into better shape, he finally has come in this season in decent shape.

[Celtics18]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though.

He is not worth as much as people think he is. And losing him is not the end of the world. Bottom line

I bet you all my tommy points that he gets a higher annual average value than $8 MM if he stays healthy the entire year.

There is a pretty good chance that he is worth as much as all the other people think, and more than you think, rather than you being the only one that is right and everyone else being wrong.

That being said, completely agree that losing him is not the end of the world, which is why I think we should deal him at the deadline before we are the ones giving him a big contract.

If we trade him this season, does the team trading for him get his restricted free agency rights?

[Tr1boy]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though.

He is not worth as much as people think he is. And losing him is not the end of the world. Bottom line

I bet you all my tommy points that he gets a higher annual average value than $8 MM if he stays healthy the entire year.

There is a pretty good chance that he is worth as much as all the other people think, and more than you think, rather than you being the only one that is right and everyone else being wrong.

That being said, completely agree that losing him is not the end of the world, which is why I think we should deal him at the deadline before we are the ones giving him a big contract.

If we trade him this season, does the team trading for him get his restricted free agency rights?

Yes

[BudweiserCeltic]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though.

He is not worth as much as people think he is. And losing him is not the end of the world. Bottom line

I bet you all my tommy points that he gets a higher annual average value than $8 MM if he stays healthy the entire year.

There is a pretty good chance that he is worth as much as all the other people think, and more than you think, rather than you being the only one that is right and everyone else being wrong.

That being said, completely agree that losing him is not the end of the world, which is why I think we should deal him at the deadline before we are the ones giving him a big contract.

If we trade him this season, does the team trading for him get his restricted free agency rights?

Yes.

[fairweatherfan]

No, he would never take it.  It's a lowball offer.

He would take that offer in a heartbeat last season.

You can't get greedy now after your coach and gm helps you become the player you are today.     In return a player should take a little discount

This team does not break without sully. But rather keep the guy if possible

4 year 40-44 million sounds good. If another team wants to offer more , then see ya later imo

You can project your feelings upon an athlete all you want.  It's a fruitless endeavor, though.

He is not worth as much as people think he is. And losing him is not the end of the world. Bottom line

I agree with the second part, but what a player is "worth" and what he actually gets are often very different things, and usually the second number is a lot higher.  People didn't think Avery Bradley was "worth" $8 mill a year, but that's what he got, and now that seems a lot more reasonable.  People didn't think Tristan Thompson was "worth" $16+ million per, but that's what he's getting.

The market for big men in particular is pretty skewed towards higher salaries than fans expect, because there are so few of them compared to guards and wings.  Sully's going to get paid in all likelihood, and based on recent deals and the cap skyrocketing, it'll be considerably more than $8 million per.