Who would you rather have for the next 10 years Brad or DMC

[KGs Knee]

Read my initial quote, I said "individual success". Coaches and players are not evaluated by the same measures entirely.

Stevens is a below. 500 coach, that is a fact (.401 winning per). By most measures that of not good. But obviously there are mitigating factors (i.e. the team he was charged with coaching). The playoffs is a feather in his cap, but that is about the only success he has achieved by coaching standards.

Cousins 1 All-Star appearance is at least equivalent in terms "success". Players are not primarily judged by wins and losses, as coaches are. His stats are a measure of individual success, so they are absolutely relevant to the discussion. DMC is widely considered the top center in the game and a top 10-15 player in the game.   That is a star.

But you know what, I want BOTH.

[MBunge]

Read my initial quote, I said "individual success". Coaches and players are not evaluated by the same measures entirely.

Stevens is a below. 500 coach, that is a fact (.401 winning per). By most measures that of not good. But obviously there are mitigating factors (i.e. the team he was charged with coaching). The playoffs is a feather in his cap, but that is about the only success he has achieved by coaching standards.

Cousins 1 All-Star appearance is at least equivalent in terms "success".

No, it's not.

Was Tracy McGrady more "successful" as a basketball player than Dennis Johnson?  By your standards, he was.

This isn't baseball or football where you can legitimately be the best player in the world and your team still sucks.  There are only 10 players on the basketball court and if you're as talented as Cousins, that's supposed to make a difference in winning and losing.  Kevin Garnett dragged a lot of bad Minnesota teams into the playoffs.

Cousins is an amazing talent who could be an MVP if he would play defense and stop being a headcase.  He could also go down as another Derrick Coleman.  Regardless, "success" is about the last label that should be applied to him.

Mike

[Hemingway]

Read my initial quote, I said "individual success". Coaches and players are not evaluated by the same measures entirely.

Stevens is a below. 500 coach, that is a fact (.401 winning per). By most measures that of not good. But obviously there are mitigating factors (i.e. the team he was charged with coaching). The playoffs is a feather in his cap, but that is about the only success he has achieved by coaching standards.

Cousins 1 All-Star appearance is at least equivalent in terms "success".

No, it's not.

Was Tracy McGrady more "successful" as a basketball player than Dennis Johnson?  By your standards, he was.

This isn't baseball or football where you can legitimately be the best player in the world and your team still sucks.  There are only 10 players on the basketball court and if you're as talented as Cousins, that's supposed to make a difference in winning and losing.  Kevin Garnett dragged a lot of bad Minnesota teams into the playoffs.

Cousins is an amazing talent who could be an MVP if he would play defense and stop being a headcase.  He could also go down as another Derrick Coleman.  Regardless, "success" is about the last label that should be applied to him.

Mike

That's a good point. Idk how good DMC realy is or how good he could be on a good team.  think we are a good team. But the premise of the OP's question is flawed. Why does it have to be one or the other?

[KGs Knee]

Read my initial quote, I said "individual success". Coaches and players are not evaluated by the same measures entirely.

Stevens is a below. 500 coach, that is a fact (.401 winning per). By most measures that of not good. But obviously there are mitigating factors (i.e. the team he was charged with coaching). The playoffs is a feather in his cap, but that is about the only success he has achieved by coaching standards.

Cousins 1 All-Star appearance is at least equivalent in terms "success".

No, it's not.

Was Tracy McGrady more "successful" as a basketball player than Dennis Johnson?  By your standards, he was.

This isn't baseball or football where you can legitimately be the best player in the world and your team still sucks.  There are only 10 players on the basketball court and if you're as talented as Cousins, that's supposed to make a difference in winning and losing.  Kevin Garnett dragged a lot of bad Minnesota teams into the playoffs.

Cousins is an amazing talent who could be an MVP if he would play defense and stop being a headcase.  He could also go down as another Derrick Coleman.  Regardless, "success" is about the last label that should be applied to him.

Mike

Clearly we'll have to agree to disagree then.

I think you're pretty much wrong on all fronts here.