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If you don't feel bad for James Young after this...
« on: November 02, 2015, 02:13:16 PM »

Offline Mlewis1392

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I was just on YouTube watching some Celtics interviews from the past couple days and happen to come across this video. I'm a big James Young fan that thought we got a steal when we drafted him but obviously it has been nothing but disappointment and far from expectations. Now if you're gonna tell me after seeing his body language and sour puss face the whole time that he's just as disappointed. I said to myself this guy doesn't wanna be in Boston anymore lol. I feel bad for Young and would love to see him get a shot but I don't think he's cracking into this rotation anytime soon but I hope I'm wrong. http://youtu.be/SQa3VhKCGec

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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2015, 02:15:25 PM »

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I mean, he's a rookie drafted to a team that hasn't given him a realistic shot at earning playing time.  That's got to be really frustrating for a guy who's been told all his life how talented his is and how he's destined for stardom.

It has to feel at least a little bit like getting drafted to the Celtics has doomed him.  Still, the minutes are there to be earned for a wing shooter with some size and athleticism.  He just needs to keep working.
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2015, 02:19:17 PM »

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I mean, he's a rookie drafted to a team that hasn't given him a realistic shot at earning playing time.  That's got to be really frustrating for a guy who's been told all his life how talented his is and how he's destined for stardom.

It has to feel at least a little bit like getting drafted to the Celtics has doomed him.  Still, the minutes are there to be earned for a wing shooter with some size and athleticism.  He just needs to keep working.

Agree to a point... I mean, who'd have excellent body language after being drilled about lack of playing? No need to read more into it based on that.

I disagree about a team that hasn't given him a realistic shot at earning playing time. He's HAD a lot of opportunities... he played quite a bit last year with the main team as it was AND he sucked, so he blew that. But he was a rookie, understandable.

Since then he's shown nothing... Summer League and Preseason, he was clearly the weakest among all our young players, to say nothing of our vets, so fair chance he's been given, and he's been found wanting.

But he's young, I'm in no hurry for him to make it. But, "realistic" chance he's been given, and more than he deserves.

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2015, 05:35:54 PM »

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I mean, he's a rookie drafted to a team that hasn't given him a realistic shot at earning playing time.  That's got to be really frustrating for a guy who's been told all his life how talented his is and how he's destined for stardom.

It has to feel at least a little bit like getting drafted to the Celtics has doomed him.  Still, the minutes are there to be earned for a wing shooter with some size and athleticism.  He just needs to keep working.

Brad Stevens sees this kid everyday in practice. Playing time is earned. And unfortunately, you have to play defense. He reminds me a lot of Gerald Green- talented but needs time and maturity.
Calipari does a great job of hiding individuals weaknesses. He has to.
I bought James Young looked good in a few of the pre-season games. Improving.
He shouldn't fret. With the way the Celtics are playing, Stevens will cycle through all of his roster.
Young should be back from the Red Claws, and be able to have his turn before the first Nor'Easter
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2015, 05:43:03 PM »

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I mean, he's a rookie drafted to a team that hasn't given him a realistic shot at earning playing time.
You seem to be under the false impression that you earn playing time by playing. In reality, hasn't been cut yet, so he's had every chance to convince the Celtics brass he needs to be in the lineup. The fact he hasn't managed this (on a roster that's chock full of average NBA players and rookies) isn't complimentary of his current abilities.

If he doesn't want to be here, good riddance. I hear China is great this time of the year.
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2015, 06:02:22 PM »

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I was feeling sorry for Young for a while, such high upside, effortless 3 point shot, and was encouraged by the coaching staff saying he improved his defense.

Then I saw this video and it was the nail in the coffin of my already deflated opinion of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=De3CAjg2MBA

It's media day every other word out of everyone's mouth is about teamwork and brotherhood and how they cant wait for the season to start and here comes James Young asking everyone who the best dancer on the team was(half of them say Marcus). You could tell they must have gone out a few nights before and he was still thinking of nae naeing instead of the impending season. Square peg, round hole.

Seems like a player who things have always come easy for and cares more about the NBA lifestyle than playing like a champion. Could be the reason why such a talented player fell to 16. I've always viewed him as a taller, thinner, less athletic, JR Smith and still feel like that comparison is rock solid.

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« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2015, 06:17:38 PM »

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I don't see too much problem with that video myself ..

I see James trying harder , he has changed his body a lot ....and better confidence on court.



But on a serious issue that has already began the demise of the Lakers young # 2  D Russell

He parties late and dates a Kardashian ....ugh .......already caught up in the Hollywood night life.

His brain is not on his career .....he is posting not so great stats for an EXPECTED star .....not bringing his A game. ...playing like a #2 pick of point guard would .  Very ho hum attitude .....not sitting well with fans already

Fan are already complaining in forums about his lack of effort and aggressiveness and lack of attitude on the court. ......that usually strong ambitious types like Westbrook , Wall and Smart play with every night on the court.  Point guards are usually high motor .....driven to win....Nash and CP3
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« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2015, 06:56:01 PM »

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I don't care about the video.  If James young was trying out for the team vs Chris babb, don't take into account draft etc.  could he outplay babb for that spot??
So far no

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« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2015, 07:01:20 PM »

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I mean, he's a rookie drafted to a team that hasn't given him a realistic shot at earning playing time

What do you base this statement on?  Does James Young not practice with the Celtics?  Does he not get a chance to make a statement for play there?  Why do you think he is not getting into the games?

Anyone who watched him last season, when he did get his shots, knows that those shots never fell.  Further, he is not going to play the wing position in the NBA until he can defend it - arguably the toughest position to defend in the league.

I want to give the kid a chance, and he is still basically a rookie in my eyes, but to say what you said is utterly false.

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« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2015, 07:12:21 PM »

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I'm sorry if this sounds mean, but I don't feel sorry for him in the slightest.

A few years prior Avery Bradley had just come off a terrible (and injury prone) rookie year, where he looked offensively horrendous.  He was sent to Maine since he just was not ready for the NBA. We had an All-Star and future Hall of Famer go down (Ray) to injury, and Bradley by default got a starting spot.  He worked/played so hard and was so effective that he permanently stole that starting job away from a perennial All-Star.  Bradley was never nearly as talented as Ray - he earned that starting role simply by working harder than everybody else on the floor, every night. 

I still remember the story of Jameer Nelson apparently complaining to Bradley and asking him why he has to be so aggressive on defense, and Bradley apparently replying with something like "this is the only way I can stay on the court". 

To this day, that is still one of the most inspirational stories I have heard.  It it perfectly illustrates why Bradley has been a long-term starter for the Cetlics, while Young cannot get on the court.
 
Bradley knew that he would never get given free minutes on a playoff bound Celtics team that featured three future hall of famers, and a coach notorious for not playing prospects.  When he got his opportunity to play some minutes, he knew that the only hope he had of keeping those minutes was to simply work harder than everybody else on the court - and he did exactly that.  He's been a starter for the Boston Celtics since that day.

Since then we have had guys like Jared Sullinger, Kelly Olynyk, Marcus Smart, Luigi Datome, Jonas Jerebko and Jae Crowder come through Boston - and every one of those guys came to Boston as an unknown, and found ways to prove to the coach that are worthy of consistent playing time. 

Young also came in as an unknown entity, but he's been here for over a year now and has yet to convince Brad Stevens that he deserves a consistent role.  Even the new rookies who have come in (Rozier, Hunter, Mickey) have seen playing time this year, yet Young has not. 

That's only a reflection of the fact that James Young either isn't talented enough, or just doesn't want it badly enough.  Perhaps both.  He's letting rookies outwork him for playing time, and that's on him and nobody else. 

The fact that he goes around looking like he's sobbing about it all only gives you MORE reason to not want to play him. 

This isn't high school or college - this is pro basketball.  This is a man's game. If you are frustrated because you aren't getting playing time, then force your hand.  Go out there and work so hard that the Coach has no choice but to notice you.  Don't sit around sulking and getting depressed, and hoping somebody will feel sorry for you and throw you a life line.  If that's how you want to go about things then it's a perfect approach for earning yourself a nice long career - in the D League.
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« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2015, 07:26:28 PM »

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I see James trying harder , he has changed his body a lot ....and better confidence on court.

Everbody keeps saying this, but I can't see it.

Least year he looked way too skinny.  This year he still looks way too skinny.  From where I'm standing James Young's "body transformation" looks about as convincing as Jared Sullinger's one.

By that I mean that when I look at him, he pretty much looks exactly the same.

He's playing harder and with a bit more passion, i will give him that (fair is fair).  But that's really about the only positive thing I can say about him so far.

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« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2015, 07:50:47 PM »

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I could see if us going real young if this team does not develop soon.  I think they have until Dec.

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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2015, 07:52:42 PM »

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I see James trying harder , he has changed his body a lot ....and better confidence on court.

Everbody keeps saying this, but I can't see it.

Least year he looked way too skinny.  This year he still looks way too skinny.  From where I'm standing James Young's "body transformation" looks about as convincing as Jared Sullinger's one.

By that I mean that when I look at him, he pretty much looks exactly the same.

He's playing harder and with a bit more passion, i will give him that (fair is fair).  But that's really about the only positive thing I can say about him so far.

Think I remember seeing a picture of him this summer where he looked noticeably bigger but that could have been taken right after a lifting session. I agree that he looks the same as he ever did.

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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 09:46:01 PM »

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James Young is a bust.
Like many other underclassmen before him and many future underclassmen ahead of him, these players leave school to early. It's a fact.

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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2015, 11:40:33 PM »

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James Young is a bust.
Like many other underclassmen before him and many future underclassmen ahead of him, these players leave school to early. It's a fact.
well, we are it once more. young is younger than anyone else on the team, including hunter, rozier, and mickey.

why the rush to declare a final and complete judgement on young? the celtics knew he was a project when they drafted him. let him play out his rookie contract and develop. then make a judgement.

this particular horse has been beaten ad nauseam. let it go.
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