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Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2015, 08:19:35 PM »

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If you want the best from Smart and want him to develop into his potential then you have to give him the sole pg spot and let him run the team. He should not be defending anyone else(besides rotations) then the opposing teams pg.

This strategy will help develop Smart and possibly even make us better in some regards. But it also means trading IT and Evan Turner, and maybe AB. Depending on who we get back or if we try and get a young center from a team like the Pacers or Knicks....Myles Turner or Kristaps. Those teams could get desperate like many have said, but instead of trading their Superstar maybe it would be easier to get their young big guy.

Also we would prob tank. Giving us potentially 2 top picks, with others. I'd say we go from there....Well thats what I have been saying.

Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2015, 08:33:46 PM »

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I'd go with

IT            / Rozier
Smart      / AB         / Hunter
Crowder   / Turner
KO          / Sully      / Lee
Amir       / Zeller     / Mickey

Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2015, 08:54:25 PM »

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Lee needs to play the Gerald Wallace role on this team.
Play the young guys.

Yes
it won't be Mickey, triboy.  it'd be Sully, KO and Zeller.

Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #18 on: November 01, 2015, 08:55:08 PM »

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Or how about we actually let the guys play some more games (so we have a half decent sample size) before running around making rotation changes.

Seriously guys...

We have only played three regular season games so far.

- We beat Philly by almost 20 points, despite the fact that we could not make a basket
- We got very convincingly beaten by Toronto (every team has bad games)
- We had a narrow and hard fought loss against a Spurs team that's seen as one of the top 3 or 4 favorites to win a title this year

Lets give the team a few games before we start making hasty decisions, yes?
you're saying not to overreact but in the same post admit there's a problem with the offense. it's not overreacting if you're trying to fix something before it's too late.

in the 1st 3 games the common denominator has been lack of offense. particularly with the starters. like I pointed out 3 of the starters are basically the same player - all defense with minimal offense. common sense would say there needs to be a change between the 3.

I said we struggled offensively, I didn't say we had a 'problem' on offense, or that anything needs to change. 

Game 1 against the 76ers we were getting great looks all night long - looks that our guys almost always make.  Bradley, Zeller and Lee were missing wide open midrange jumpers.  Thomas was missing layups and wide open threes.  We weren't missing those shots because of defensive pressure - we were getting wide open shots, and they just weren't going in.  I put that down to early season rust. 

Game 2 was more of the same.  We got plenty of good looks, we just missed them. But that wasn't even out issue against the Raptors.  The issue was that we put them at the line far too many times, and we were giving up too many second chance points on offensive boards - that was the case all night, regardless of who we had on the court (second unit, or starters).  Sure our bench was a bit stronger offensively on the night, but even with the bench in there we were still giving them too many second chances and too many free throws.

Game 3 I only saw the final quarter so I can't comment on the rest of the game - but in the third quarter we were the better team, and if we played like that the whole game we'd have had a win.  In fact we might have had a win if somebody didn't decide to put Sully in the game to match up against LaMarcus Alridge - a horrible decision that cost us something like 4-6 consecutive (and easy) easy baskets, and one which may have cost us the game. 

In fact our top two scorers today were Smart and Bradley (both starters) and Zeller couldn't have had much to do with the loss since he only played 6 minutes.

I'm not saying our starters are an amazing offense group, i'm just saying that they are better offensive players then their production thus far suggests, and we should give them at least 5 or 6 games together before making any hasty / dramatic changes.

Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2015, 08:56:36 PM »

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If you want the best from Smart and want him to develop into his potential then you have to give him the sole pg spot and let him run the team. He should not be defending anyone else(besides rotations) then the opposing teams pg.

This strategy will help develop Smart and possibly even make us better in some regards. But it also means trading IT and Evan Turner, and maybe AB. Depending on who we get back or if we try and get a young center from a team like the Pacers or Knicks....Myles Turner or Kristaps. Those teams could get desperate like many have said, but instead of trading their Superstar maybe it would be easier to get their young big guy.

Also we would prob tank. Giving us potentially 2 top picks, with others. I'd say we go from there....Well thats what I have been saying.
tanking is not an option.  just let it go.  let it go.


Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2015, 09:29:15 PM »

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I'd go with

IT            / Rozier
Smart      / AB         / Hunter
Crowder   / Turner
KO          / Sully      / Lee
Amir       / Zeller     / Mickey
I like that Rozier can actually spark our offense and get to the rim. Throw the kid in the fire what do we got to lose
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Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2015, 10:49:02 PM »

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I know we are all Celtic fans but we gotta be honest.  This team is filled with a bunch of misfits, scrappy role players. Nothing more. I personally don't like anyone on the team. Maybe Thomas and Johnson.  None of these guys will probably be here when we are a contender again. I understand that and therefore won't get to high or low on the team. I understand the OP points tho. We have a bunch of redundant players and rotations.
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Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2015, 10:56:01 PM »

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Let's look on the bright side.  If we lose a ton of games we make it to the lottery and get that player(s) we all want.  So, stop complaining.   :)

Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2015, 11:39:41 PM »

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I know we are all Celtic fans but we gotta be honest.  This team is filled with a bunch of misfits, scrappy role players. Nothing more. I personally don't like anyone on the team. Maybe Thomas and Johnson.  None of these guys will probably be here when we are a contender again. I understand that and therefore won't get to high or low on the team. I understand the OP points tho. We have a bunch of redundant players and rotations.


No reason to refer to our players as misfits. They are all sacrificing ego's to become a team that over achieves. Young prospects.. I respect this squad for who they represent more than their individual talents. these role players might be the perfect destination for 2 stars to come to together. Then our players become "Ideal"
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Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2015, 11:42:13 PM »

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is David Lee suddenly 6'-5" ...?

He's playing like it.
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Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2015, 11:45:41 PM »

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Too early to give up on Lee, but it's tough to keep him in the starting lineup when there's so little spacing in it.
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Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2015, 01:11:02 AM »

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I know we are all Celtic fans but we gotta be honest.  This team is filled with a bunch of misfits, scrappy role players. Nothing more. I personally don't like anyone on the team. Maybe Thomas and Johnson.  None of these guys will probably be here when we are a contender again. I understand that and therefore won't get to high or low on the team. I understand the OP points tho. We have a bunch of redundant players and rotations.


No reason to refer to our players as misfits. They are all sacrificing ego's to become a team that over achieves. Young prospects.. I respect this squad for who they represent more than their individual talents. these role players might be the perfect destination for 2 stars to come to together. Then our players become "Ideal"

I don't think any Star player is looking at our roster and think that our role players are "Ideal". Stars don't want to play with a bunch of role players. Stars want to play with Stars. I agree, this team could possibly over achieve again this year. Yet they could quite possibly under achieve with this roster. You can only overachieve so much without star players. I respect the team too. Yet, I am also objective. None of our pieces fit well together. This year is another year of asset building. All of these guys can be easily replaced.
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Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2015, 02:39:24 AM »

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I started thinking about possible combinations when I began reading this thread. I soon recalled though that with this squad you can only achieve so much improvement moving the pieces around, maybe only as much as you get letting players get experience playing with the same combinations. No doubt CBS can tinker but I think he will stick mostly with what he has (unless someone is injured or loses form in a drastic way) and change combinations when he has more pieces to play with (and obviously not some of the pieces he is working with now).

I can see Lee losing his starting spot maybe but I doubt that at this stage. Too hard to predict who might be packaged for a trade down the road.

Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2015, 02:46:54 AM »

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I'd like to see Jerebko (PF) and Amir (C) starting for Celtics. I think they are the two best defensive bigs on the Celtics team. I also think they will open up the offense some more and provide a much better transition game. Keep Crowder in lineup for now. Bring Turner back at 10-12 game mark if offense continues to struggle.

Re: Smart, Crowder and Bradley are redundant and Lee is just horrible
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2015, 06:22:20 AM »

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Game 1 against the 76ers we were getting great looks all night long - looks that our guys almost always make.  Bradley, Zeller and Lee were missing wide open midrange jumpers.  Thomas was missing layups and wide open threes.  We weren't missing those shots because of defensive pressure - we were getting wide open shots, and they just weren't going in.  I put that down to early season rust. 

Game 2 was more of the same.  We got plenty of good looks, we just missed them. But that wasn't even out issue against the Raptors.  The issue was that we put them at the line far too many times, and we were giving up too many second chance points on offensive boards - that was the case all night, regardless of who we had on the court (second unit, or starters).  Sure our bench was a bit stronger offensively on the night, but even with the bench in there we were still giving them too many second chances and too many free throws.

I really do not think our looks were as great as they were last year.   I think teams have adjusted to CBS's offense.  This happens all the time in sports.   We have missed some bunnies too.   But I think CBS will adjust.  It is harder to scheme with our last of one on one players too.