Over reactions after 2 games

[LarBrd33]

I'm not surprised to see negative threads. Happens every year.  Also, we were spoiled by playing garbage teams over the past month ... Exclusively played New York, Brooklyn, Philly and euros.   Toronto was our first challenge and we struggled. 

Our team is one that lacks stars. We will only be as good as our effort and execution allows.  If guys aren't making shots, it's going to be tough. 

No surprises here.  You don't get to 40-45 wins by winning every game.   

Also, the team probably has to adjust after playing lackluster teams for weeks.  I expect the team will improve as the season goes on... Brad relies on advanced analytics to figure out his lineups and plays... that requires lots of data.  Data requires time.

[max215]

I'm not surprised to see negative threads. Happens every year.  Also, we were spoiled by playing garbage teams over the past month ... Exclusively played New York, Brooklyn, Philly and euros.   Toronto was our first challenge and we struggled. 

Our team is one that lacks stars. We will only be as good as our effort and execution allows.  If guys aren't making shots, it's going to be tough. 

No surprises here.  You don't get to 40-45 wins by winning every game.   

Also, the team probably has to adjust after playing lackluster teams for weeks.  I expect the team will improve as the season goes on... Brad relies on advanced analytics to figure out his lineups and plays... that requires lots of data.  Data requires time.

Well put.

[max215]

My main (over)reaction is that we need a star. When the shots aren't falling for the role players (like last night) we need that one guy who can be trusted to put up points.

[mctyson]

I was surprised to not find many negative threads after last nights game. So I'm creating this thread for anyone to post their over reactions to what we've seen so far from the Celtics.

There really isn't a reason to be too negative about last night's game.  They played sloppy and poorly against a good team and they got beat handily.  That happens in the NBA and it will happen again to the Celtics.

They couldn't make open shots and Toronto made seemingly made everything.  That happens at all levels of basketball.

On to the next one.

[KeepRondo]

I like this thread idea of posting overreactions. My 9 overeactions right now is

1. The defense is way overrated. AB, Crowder and AJ are not as good as some think. Their defense is just like their offense, streaky. All three would be on the trade block for me.

2. IT is still a streaky undersized bench guy that only plays one way. If you have him lead the team for 24+ minutes a game C's will never see Smart grow into a great PG. Also though IT can score he gives up way too much on defense. Time to trade him to let Smart and Rozier take over.

3. Turner streaky bench player that controls the ball too much. Plays like he is avoiding certain teammates. TOs and bad D happen way too often for this guy to be playing more than 15 min a game. Time to trade him for a second rounder.

4. AJ and Sully are the best bigs we have? This can't be right?

5. Lee has returned to last regular season form. It is as if he is 38 and only has his legs and skills on certain days. And more often than not he won't have it. You don't start him ever!

6. Mickey needs more PT. He can do better than Lee and has more fight than Zeller or KO.

7. Hunter is better than AB. Celtics did a good job developing a bad PG into a decent undersized SG but it's over. AB is what he is. Time for Hunter to get more minutes.

8. Team has no star at all, will be exactly .500 and a 8 seed. Let's just tank it now while there is a shot at getting multiple high picks. No point on another 1st round sweep.

9. BS is overrated as a player development coach. How have the players grown under BS? I see no improvement in skill from any player on this roster. Sure he can design excellent plays and get guys to buy in slightly but no one is actually getting better. BS needs a better staff at the very least.

I agree on some of these points. Turner has to be one of our more inconsistent players. There are games when he's one of our top 3 players and others when his turnovers and forced play end up hurting us. Also agree that Amir is one of our best bigs. Not giving him 30 minutes is confusing. I also like Olynyk over Lee.

Update - forgot about your mention of RJ getting AB's minutes. Hopefully this is the biggest over reaction because I'm pulling for AB but I think AB has been pretty bad so far.

[KeepRondo]

I was surprised to not find many negative threads after last nights game. So I'm creating this thread for anyone to post their over reactions to what we've seen so far from the Celtics.

There really isn't a reason to be too negative about last night's game.  They played sloppy and poorly against a good team and they got beat handily.  That happens in the NBA and it will happen again to the Celtics.

They couldn't make open shots and Toronto made seemingly made everything.  That happens at all levels of basketball.

On to the next one.

I think even after 2 games, there is reason to worry. Stevens has too many players to keep happy. Some games it will be ok and others like last night, there will be no flow. The best rhythm the team had was the unit at the end of the second quarter. The team never found that rhythm in the second with all the players rotating in and out.

Updated this reply.

[KeepRondo]

Zeller and Lee deserve to be at the back of the big rotation not starting.

If Smart can't create better then another ball handler needs to start next to him.

Stevens won't get a good rotation going until a trade is made

I guess Lee is in the first unit to help as a playmaker because you're right, that backcourt including Crowder at small forward is not getting it done. AB, Smart and Crowder are not the best playmakers but the next guy after IT4 is probably Turner. Do we really want Turner in over Crowder?

[SHAQATTACK]

I like this thread idea of posting overreactions. My 9 overeactions right now is

1. The defense is way overrated. AB, Crowder and AJ are not as good as some think. Their defense is just like their offense, streaky. All three would be on the trade block for me.

2. IT is still a streaky undersized bench guy that only plays one way. If you have him lead the team for 24+ minutes a game C's will never see Smart grow into a great PG. Also though IT can score he gives up way too much on defense. Time to trade him to let Smart and Rozier take over.

3. Turner streaky bench player that controls the ball too much. Plays like he is avoiding certain teammates. TOs and bad D happen way too often for this guy to be playing more than 15 min a game. Time to trade him for a second rounder.

4. AJ and Sully are the best bigs we have? This can't be right?

5. Lee has returned to last regular season form. It is as if he is 38 and only has his legs and skills on certain days. And more often than not he won't have it. You don't start him ever!

6. Mickey needs more PT. He can do better than Lee and has more fight than Zeller or KO.

7. Hunter is better than AB. Celtics did a good job developing a bad PG into a decent undersized SG but it's over. AB is what he is. Time for Hunter to get more minutes.

8. Team has no star at all, will be exactly .500 and a 8 seed. Let's just tank it now while there is a shot at getting multiple high picks. No point on another 1st round sweep.

9. BS is overrated as a player development coach. How have the players grown under BS? I see no improvement in skill from any player on this roster. Sure he can design excellent plays and get guys to buy in slightly but no one is actually getting better. BS needs a better staff at the very least.

I agree on some of these points. Turner has to be one of our more inconsistent players. There are games when he's one of our top 3 players and others when his turnovers and forced play end up hurting us. Also agree that Amir is one of our best bigs. Not giving him 30 minutes is confusing. I also like Olynyk over Lee.

Update - forgot about your mention of RJ getting AB's minutes. Hopefully this is the biggest over reaction because I'm pulling for AB but I think AB has been pretty bad so far.

Agree......shooting is Averys main job now.  He has to knock his jumpers down with more consistency than he is doing right now .  He's play n good D again .    But we don't have a scorer on the floor when IT is on the bench .   Turner is awful .  Smarts hand is messed up. 

We need to get Hunter up to snuff  ASAP .    He is used to pressure and seems cool and collected on the floor . 

Putting off his developement for the likes,of,a,scrub like Turner is very unwise.

[KeepRondo]

Stevens has to get a little more trust in some guys in the rotation, it seemed like we played the wrong guys for too long last night. I know we were searching for some offense, but KO has 11 points in like 16 minutes, he shoulda been in there with Amir and Thomas earlier in the 3rd when they started to pull away. Turner should've never got 28 minutes last night. If his game isn't flowing he needs to take a seat because he can cripple your offense when he's off .

I'm starting to buy into the idea that Amir needs to start even if Thomas doesn't.

All in all though, we had a cold shooting night and Toronto made some really tough buckets. There's some things that need fixing, especially finding some offense from the 1st unit, but we shouldn't over react much. Still looks like a 45-47 win team to me. We gotta start highlighting someone a little on offense with the 1st unit. Run a few plays for Smart or Crowder and try to get them rolling off the jump. And please god screw Turner to the bench if he's that off. I woulda liked to see Rozier or Hunter trying out there instead of ET when he's as bad as last night.

I pretty much agree with most of this. There was a point that Olynyk bricked a couple of threes, probably cause he was sitting so long, then found his rhythm. Shortly after putting up some points, he got pulled because it was someone else's turn to come in.

[KeepRondo]

I'm not surprised to see negative threads. Happens every year.  Also, we were spoiled by playing garbage teams over the past month ... Exclusively played New York, Brooklyn, Philly and euros.   Toronto was our first challenge and we struggled. 

Our team is one that lacks stars. We will only be as good as our effort and execution allows.  If guys aren't making shots, it's going to be tough. 

No surprises here.  You don't get to 40-45 wins by winning every game.   

Also, the team probably has to adjust after playing lackluster teams for weeks.  I expect the team will improve as the season goes on... Brad relies on advanced analytics to figure out his lineups and plays... that requires lots of data.  Data requires time.

Hopefully that's the objective and the players know. Otherwise I don't see how Stevens can keep this many players happy, and also keep Ainge happy. I'm sure Ainge will want to see his rookies out there also.

This is going to be a tough season for Stevens with so many decisions to make on players who are not separated by much in terms of skill.

[KeepRondo]

I like this thread idea of posting overreactions. My 9 overeactions right now is

1. The defense is way overrated. AB, Crowder and AJ are not as good as some think. Their defense is just like their offense, streaky. All three would be on the trade block for me.

2. IT is still a streaky undersized bench guy that only plays one way. If you have him lead the team for 24+ minutes a game C's will never see Smart grow into a great PG. Also though IT can score he gives up way too much on defense. Time to trade him to let Smart and Rozier take over.

3. Turner streaky bench player that controls the ball too much. Plays like he is avoiding certain teammates. TOs and bad D happen way too often for this guy to be playing more than 15 min a game. Time to trade him for a second rounder.

4. AJ and Sully are the best bigs we have? This can't be right?

5. Lee has returned to last regular season form. It is as if he is 38 and only has his legs and skills on certain days. And more often than not he won't have it. You don't start him ever!

6. Mickey needs more PT. He can do better than Lee and has more fight than Zeller or KO.

7. Hunter is better than AB. Celtics did a good job developing a bad PG into a decent undersized SG but it's over. AB is what he is. Time for Hunter to get more minutes.

8. Team has no star at all, will be exactly .500 and a 8 seed. Let's just tank it now while there is a shot at getting multiple high picks. No point on another 1st round sweep.

9. BS is overrated as a player development coach. How have the players grown under BS? I see no improvement in skill from any player on this roster. Sure he can design excellent plays and get guys to buy in slightly but no one is actually getting better. BS needs a better staff at the very least.

I agree on some of these points. Turner has to be one of our more inconsistent players. There are games when he's one of our top 3 players and others when his turnovers and forced play end up hurting us. Also agree that Amir is one of our best bigs. Not giving him 30 minutes is confusing. I also like Olynyk over Lee.

Update - forgot about your mention of RJ getting AB's minutes. Hopefully this is the biggest over reaction because I'm pulling for AB but I think AB has been pretty bad so far.

Agree......shooting is Averys main job now.  He has to knock his jumpers down with more consistency than he is doing right now .  He's play n good D again .    But we don't have a scorer on the floor when IT is on the bench .   Turner is awful .  Smarts hand is messed up. 

We need to get Hunter up to snuff  ASAP .    He is used to pressure and seems cool and collected on the floor . 

Putting off his developement for the likes,of,a,scrub like Turner is very unwise.

Good point on AB's defense. He does seem to be more locked in this year and has been pretty solid on defense.

I was also wondering about Smarts hand. I guess for now he gets a pass for poor shooting.

[Csfan1984]

I do think my 6-9 were pretty solid overreactions. Best overreactions I could come up with. They are clearly pushing it.

[mctyson]

I was surprised to not find many negative threads after last nights game. So I'm creating this thread for anyone to post their over reactions to what we've seen so far from the Celtics.

There really isn't a reason to be too negative about last night's game.  They played sloppy and poorly against a good team and they got beat handily.  That happens in the NBA and it will happen again to the Celtics.

They couldn't make open shots and Toronto made seemingly made everything.  That happens at all levels of basketball.

On to the next one.

I think even after 2 games, there is reason to worry. Stevens has too many players to keep happy. Some games it will be ok and others like last night, there will be no flow. The best rhythm the team had was the unit at the end of the second quarter. The team never found that rhythm in the second with all the players rotating in and out.

Updated this reply.

The disaster in the 3rd quarter had nothing to do with rotations or flow.  Had everything to do with sloppy passing, the Cs missing shots, and Toronto making them.  That simple.

[KeepRondo]

I was surprised to not find many negative threads after last nights game. So I'm creating this thread for anyone to post their over reactions to what we've seen so far from the Celtics.

There really isn't a reason to be too negative about last night's game.  They played sloppy and poorly against a good team and they got beat handily.  That happens in the NBA and it will happen again to the Celtics.

They couldn't make open shots and Toronto made seemingly made everything.  That happens at all levels of basketball.

On to the next one.

I think even after 2 games, there is reason to worry. Stevens has too many players to keep happy. Some games it will be ok and others like last night, there will be no flow. The best rhythm the team had was the unit at the end of the second quarter. The team never found that rhythm in the second with all the players rotating in and out.

Updated this reply.

The disaster in the 3rd quarter had nothing to do with rotations or flow.  Had everything to do with sloppy passing, the Cs missing shots, and Toronto making them.  That simple.

I disagree. None of the front court players played over 20 minutes. Amir played well for one rotation and Olynyk had one decent stretch but both players would had benefitted with more minutes. It's hard to maintain good play when you aren't playing long stretches.

[GetLucky]

When LarBrd is the voice of reason against pessimism, it should tell you that something isn't right. (sarcasm)