Over reactions after 2 games

[KeepRondo]

I was surprised to not find many negative threads after last nights game. So I'm creating this thread for anyone to post their over reactions to what we've seen so far from the Celtics.

I'll start it out that we have too many Bigs sharing minutes. I look at the box score and can't believe Amir lead the bigs in minutes with only 19 minutes. The only positive about this, is that he lead the team in minutes, but this guy should be getting 30 or more. The bigger problem I have with the front court rotations is lack of rhythm due to minute restrictions. There was a part of the game that Zeller came in for 2-3 minutes. Why even put him in other then it was his turn. My hope is that Stevens will settle on which 4 bigs to use, with two primary bigs getting the bulk of the minutes, and not this who's turn is it now stuff.

My other over reaction is Smart shooting under 30 percent after two games. To his credit, he has taken a few mid range jumpers off the bounce that were in better rhythm then last year. He also had a couple threes that were in and out.

[Vermont Green]

If you thought that the Celtics were going to win 52 games as was discussed in another thread, then you need to overreact.  If you thought that the Celtics were more in the sub-40 range and fighting with Indiana, Detroit, Milwaukee, Washington, etc. for the one last playoff spot (as I did) then nothing so far surprises you.

This is what the Celtics are this year.  They will get hot along the way and win a stretch of game, getting everyone excited, then lose a stretch (rinse, repeat).

The play of Lee, Turner, Zeller, Crowder, Bradley and Thomas has not surprised me at all.  These guys are what they are.  I am a little disappointed with Smart and Sullinger, I had hope to see more development.  The rest have not shown enough to know anything yet.

[KeepRondo]

If you thought that the Celtics were going to win 52 games as was discussed in another thread, then you need to overreact.  If you thought that the Celtics were more in the sub-40 range and fighting with Indiana, Detroit, Milwaukee, Washington, etc. for the one last playoff spot (as I did) then nothing so far surprises you.

This is what the Celtics are this year.  They will get hot along the way and win a stretch of game, getting everyone excited, then lose a stretch (rinse, repeat).

The play of Lee, Turner, Zeller, Crowder, Bradley and Thomas has not surprised me at all.  These guys are what they are.  I am a little disappointed with Smart and Sullinger, I had hope to see more development.  The rest have not shown enough to know anything yet.

I should had been clearer with my intentions. I feel any kind of criticism at this point, being 2 games in, is an over reaction. I still think we can win 50 games or come close. I don't think either of my criticisms cannot be fixed and most likely after 5-10 games will be.

[rollie mass]

 ithink the depth in early season is not as big a factor as later in season
-when players are coasting or getting back after early season injuries or just don't bother playing defence-
players now are jockying for minutes -the season is a grind that favors depth ,youth and defensive tenacity 

[Csfan1984]

I like this thread idea of posting overreactions. My 9 overeactions right now is

1. The defense is way overrated. AB, Crowder and AJ are not as good as some think. Their defense is just like their offense, streaky. All three would be on the trade block for me.

2. IT is still a streaky undersized bench guy that only plays one way. If you have him lead the team for 24+ minutes a game C's will never see Smart grow into a great PG. Also though IT can score he gives up way too much on defense. Time to trade him to let Smart and Rozier take over.

3. Turner streaky bench player that controls the ball too much. Plays like he is avoiding certain teammates. TOs and bad D happen way too often for this guy to be playing more than 15 min a game. Time to trade him for a second rounder.

4. AJ and Sully are the best bigs we have? This can't be right?

5. Lee has returned to last regular season form. It is as if he is 38 and only has his legs and skills on certain days. And more often than not he won't have it. You don't start him ever!

6. Mickey needs more PT. He can do better than Lee and has more fight than Zeller or KO.

7. Hunter is better than AB. Celtics did a good job developing a bad PG into a decent undersized SG but it's over. AB is what he is. Time for Hunter to get more minutes.

8. Team has no star at all, will be exactly .500 and a 8 seed. Let's just tank it now while there is a shot at getting multiple high picks. No point on another 1st round sweep.

9. BS is overrated as a player development coach. How have the players grown under BS? I see no improvement in skill from any player on this roster. Sure he can design excellent plays and get guys to buy in slightly but no one is actually getting better. BS needs a better staff at the very least.

[Evantime34]

Zeller and Lee deserve to be at the back of the big rotation not starting.

If Smart can't create better then another ball handler needs to start next to him.

Stevens won't get a good rotation going until a trade is made

[Chris22]

Zeller and Lee deserve to be at the back of the big rotation not starting.

If Smart can't create better then another ball handler needs to start next to him.

Stevens won't get a good rotation going until a trade is made

I think this is close to the truth. Clearly Johnson should be starting.

[Snakehead]

Zeller and Lee deserve to be at the back of the big rotation not starting.

If Smart can't create better then another ball handler needs to start next to him.

Stevens won't get a good rotation going until a trade is made

I agree with the first point.

On the second, I didn't see a ton of chances for Smart to run offense.  Some of that might have been his fault (shooting a three before he had the chance) but overall I felt like no one besides Isaiah and Turner (badly) were running pick and rolls or making plays.  Smart has made big strides there so far this year so I hope this was a one game of being off for him.

Stevens really frustrated me with Turner last night though.  I think he was of the mindset that Turner is the only guy besides IT that will really attack the paint but he was just playing so badly and couldn't even buy a shot, who cares how close to the rim it is.  And Turner: spare me the Allen Iverson dribbling routine when you aren't getting it done.  Can't stand him over dribbling like he is the man when he can't buy a basket.

[Kuberski33]

ithink the depth in early season is not as big a factor as later in season
-when players are coasting or getting back after early season injuries or just don't bother playing defence-
players now are jockying for minutes -the season is a grind that favors depth ,youth and defensive tenacity

You got it Rollie.  It's a marathon not a sprint and this team will get beat by any good team that shows up to play as the Raptors did last night.  They'll also win vs good teams when the opponents don't give their best effort or are banged up/tired/don't feel like playing etc.  Depth shows over the long haul.  Unfortunately it doesn't do you much good come playoff time.   

But regular season between their numbers and Brad's coaching they should win more than they lose.

[GreenFaith1819]

Over-reaction? IMO:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f28klp1qQGI

[SHAQATTACK]

Turner killing this team in so many ways .

He should sit at the end of the bench and wait for DA to trade him......although I don't see anybody dumb enough to want his scrubby rear.


Putting Turner in was the crack in the armor the raptors were waiting for .  ......stupid stupid move by Stevens .....five minutes of Turner was too much .......SMH ...but 25 ?  WT €$£

Stevens wanted to win.......then you ride the hot hand ......not Zeller and Turner ......holy smokes , was he even awake ........ Sully was carrying the team with fight and enthusiasm while .....the rest of the Celtics watch the Raptors rebound ,push the Celtics around.   

KO & Zeller =. 14 feet of soft rubbish

The coaching was as bad as I've seen in along while.

[SparzWizard]

Everyone would overreact if the Celtics lost to the 76ers on opening night

[Snakehead]

My thinking on Turner: I just don't see why he should get big minutes last night, especially since he wasn't even playing well.  It seemed like Stevens wanted him to play the attacking play maker role.  I don't think Smart brought that part of his game that I have seen developing last night, but I rather would have seen Stevens keep trying him at that role than make Turner play it, especially when he isn't even playing well.

I didn't recall seeing Smart really set up to run a pick and roll as often last night as he had been recently.

[BDeCosta26]

Stevens has to get a little more trust in some guys in the rotation, it seemed like we played the wrong guys for too long last night. I know we were searching for some offense, but KO has 11 points in like 16 minutes, he shoulda been in there with Amir and Thomas earlier in the 3rd when they started to pull away. Turner should've never got 28 minutes last night. If his game isn't flowing he needs to take a seat because he can cripple your offense when he's off .

I'm starting to buy into the idea that Amir needs to start even if Thomas doesn't.

All in all though, we had a cold shooting night and Toronto made some really tough buckets. There's some things that need fixing, especially finding some offense from the 1st unit, but we shouldn't over react much. Still looks like a 45-47 win team to me. We gotta start highlighting someone a little on offense with the 1st unit. Run a few plays for Smart or Crowder and try to get them rolling off the jump. And please god screw Turner to the bench if he's that off. I woulda liked to see Rozier or Hunter trying out there instead of ET when he's as bad as last night.

[jr_3421]

Zeller and Lee deserve to be at the back of the big rotation not starting.

If Smart can't create better then another ball handler needs to start next to him.

Stevens won't get a good rotation going until a trade is made

I think the problem with Smart is the same problem IT has when he starts. The lane is too clogged when Zeller is the game and Smart has trouble penetrating at this point in his career. I think if we started Amir and Sully, the lane would be less clogged for everyone and Jonas and Kelly could come off the bench with IT.