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Who's 1st rd picks would you rather have from 16-18?

Nets
15 (40.5%)
Sixers
16 (43.2%)
Nuggets
2 (5.4%)
Wolves
0 (0%)
Lakers
0 (0%)
Magic
0 (0%)
Knicks
0 (0%)
Hornets
2 (5.4%)
Blazers
0 (0%)
Mavericks
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Interesting Bill Simmons' thought
« on: October 24, 2015, 07:06:48 PM »

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On his most recent podcast he wondered if there was another team in the league that you'd rather have their 1st rd picks over the next 3 years than the Nets. Very interesting thought and given the state of their roster, their lack of first round draft picks, and their lack of young possibly improving talent it's hard to find another choice.


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Blazers, Nets, Knicks....they all look pretty attractive

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« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2015, 07:10:19 PM »

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all the other teams have somewhat of a young player or two to build around. The nets have a bunch of has been's and Lopez+Young. They are going to be stuck in perpetual loosing, and they are not going to attract free agents most likely (all teams will have cap space). I am thrilled to have the nets future. 

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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2015, 07:11:39 PM »

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Blazers, Nets, Knicks....they all look pretty attractive

At least with the Blazers they have Lillard and a very young roster than could develop over the next couple of seasons. With NY at least you have a giant piece in Melo that could either win you games or bring you a huge return in a trade. The Nets have zilch.

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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2015, 07:13:48 PM »

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all the other teams have somewhat of a young player or two to build around. The nets have a bunch of has been's and Lopez+Young. They are going to be stuck in perpetual loosing, and they are not going to attract free agents most likely (all teams will have cap space). I am thrilled to have the nets future.

Right. Plus, what the over/under of how many games Lopez misses the next 3 seasons out of a possible 246?

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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2015, 07:16:40 PM »

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Blazers, Nets, Knicks....they all look pretty attractive

Blazers- budding star and lots of young guys with potential

Knicks- Melo should be able to carry them for a few more years, and at that point, it's possible that Porzingis would be able to carry them

I think the Heat would be a nice candidate in a couple of years. The Mavs are another nice option. Indiana could be terrible if the Paul George experiment doesn't work out. While these are all worthy candidates, I think the Nets are definitely at the top of the list of terribleness though.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2015, 07:18:11 PM »

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all the other teams have somewhat of a young player or two to build around. The nets have a bunch of has been's and Lopez+Young. They are going to be stuck in perpetual loosing, and they are not going to attract free agents most likely (all teams will have cap space). I am thrilled to have the nets future.

Right. Plus, what the over/under of how many games Lopez misses the next 3 seasons out of a possible 246?

I'll put it at 123  :)
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2015, 07:20:37 PM »

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On his most recent podcast he wondered if there was another team in the league that you'd rather have their 1st rd picks over the next 3 years than the Nets. Very interesting thought and given the state of their roster, their lack of first round draft picks, and their lack of young possibly improving talent it's hard to find another choice.
Even though I keep setting my expectations at the Brooklyn pick ending up 12-17 this year, some of the hype is starting to sway me a bit. 

They won 38 games last year and finished the season on a 56 win pace... have made the playoffs 3 years in a row... but I think them winning roughly 35 games this year makes sense.    So even if they won 35 games this year... that puts their pick around 10th (based on the records last year).   Those picks should be plenty valuable.

I can make the case for pretty much every team on why they might improve over the next 3 years. 

Minny - Towns/Wiggins are legit.  They could click at any time.
Philly - Scoff as you will, but Noel and Okafor are legit... defensively, that team is better than people think.
Lakers - Can never count them out.  Randle/Russell, Los Angeles and cap space make them dangerous
Knicks - I think they can make the playoffs this year.  I'm a Melo apologist.
Magic - loaded with young talent... they could click at any time.
Kings - There's too much talent to dismiss them.

Some teams I'd bet against:   Hornets - One of the two worst-managed teams in the league.  Pistons - I like their young talent, but they have a bad track record and I think Drummond is a wild-card star to demand a new home.... and I guess Brooklyn.

We own picks from Dallas and Brooklyn.  I actually thought the Dallas pick had a better chance of bottoming out.  Brooklyn definitely isn't a bad team to own picks over the next 3 years.  One piece of caution - they have lots and lots of money and cap space will not be an issue for them heading forward.   They will not hesitate to spend money, because tanking isn't an option.   And healthy Brook Lopez is an all-star. 

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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2015, 07:30:19 PM »

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Sixers. The Hinkie plan works because it fails,

They have the talent and money to become decent if they wanted to.
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2015, 08:05:25 PM »

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On his most recent podcast he wondered if there was another team in the league that you'd rather have their 1st rd picks over the next 3 years than the Nets. Very interesting thought and given the state of their roster, their lack of first round draft picks, and their lack of young possibly improving talent it's hard to find another choice.
Philly - Scoff as you will, but Noel and Okafor are legit... defensively, that team is better than people think.

I agreed with many of what you said, but I wanted to touch on this part. It's not that both players aren't good, but they don't compliment each other at all.

Offensively...Okafor is a traditional big that operates in the low post, has limited range, and struggles at the line. Noel is a new age big, similar to Chandler, Jordan, etc., that sets screens around the perimeter and dives to the basket off screens. He, however, has a nonexistent offensive game, has less range, no back to the basket game, and also struggles at the line.

Defensively...Okafor stuggles at guarding on the perimeter and would get killed covering stretch 4's. So then Noel is forced to cover the stretch 4's, which takes away from his biggest strength, defending the rim.
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2015, 08:21:32 PM »

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On his most recent podcast he wondered if there was another team in the league that you'd rather have their 1st rd picks over the next 3 years than the Nets. Very interesting thought and given the state of their roster, their lack of first round draft picks, and their lack of young possibly improving talent it's hard to find another choice.
Philly - Scoff as you will, but Noel and Okafor are legit... defensively, that team is better than people think.

I agreed with many of what you said, but I wanted to touch on this part. It's not that both players aren't good, but they don't compliment each other at all.

Offensively...Okafor is a traditional big that operates in the low post, has limited range, and struggles at the line. Noel is a new age big, similar to Chandler, Jordan, etc., that sets screens around the perimeter and dives to the basket off screens. He, however, has a nonexistent offensive game, has less range, no back to the basket game, and also struggles at the line.

Defensively...Okafor stuggles at guarding on the perimeter and would get killed covering stretch 4's. So then Noel is forced to cover the stretch 4's, which takes away from his biggest strength, defending the rim.
Noel and Okafor are definite talents, but I'm amazed at what a wasteland the rest of the roster is - particularly the guard rotation.  Only other guys who appear to be competent NBA players anytime soon are Covington and Stauskas (which I'm basing on potential, not performance).  Talent accumulation or not, this team still looks years away from being close to competitive.

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Dallas would be on my list. Deron is washed up, Dirk is 37, and Chandler Parsons looks like he's going to cap out as a good 3rd option. They'll probably fight for the 8th spot this season but the next two years aren't going to be good.

Sacramento. Obviously they've got a ton of talent but this would be a bet on the terrible management of that franchise ensuring that they stay awful and out of control.

But the team that combines lack of talent with bad management the best is probably the Nets. So that's good.
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2015, 08:32:48 PM »

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On his most recent podcast he wondered if there was another team in the league that you'd rather have their 1st rd picks over the next 3 years than the Nets. Very interesting thought and given the state of their roster, their lack of first round draft picks, and their lack of young possibly improving talent it's hard to find another choice.
Philly - Scoff as you will, but Noel and Okafor are legit... defensively, that team is better than people think.

I agreed with many of what you said, but I wanted to touch on this part. It's not that both players aren't good, but they don't compliment each other at all.

Offensively...Okafor is a traditional big that operates in the low post, has limited range, and struggles at the line. Noel is a new age big, similar to Chandler, Jordan, etc., that sets screens around the perimeter and dives to the basket off screens. He, however, has a nonexistent offensive game, has less range, no back to the basket game, and also struggles at the line.

Defensively...Okafor stuggles at guarding on the perimeter and would get killed covering stretch 4's. So then Noel is forced to cover the stretch 4's, which takes away from his biggest strength, defending the rim.

I agree that Nerlens and Okafor don't fit well together, but both are very valuable pieces though. That's sort of the point: if Philly wanted to move one, they could be a somewhat respectable squad pretty quickly.
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