the Nets trade, part deux

[loco_91]

The rationale:
If the Nets owned their own draft pick, they'd be tanking right now. They don't, so they aren't-- but why don't we give them an incentive to tank? We can afford to make a slightly bad deal for their good players, and then we might well get Ben Simmons.

The trade:

David Lee
James Young
Terry Rozier
Evan Turner
Perry Jones
Our own '16 1st
Our '18 1st if any of the Nets picks are top 3

for

Brook Lopez (3 years, $20m)
Thad Young (4 years, $11m)

I believe the money just works out. It would have to wait until December 14, as Lopez and Thad can't be dealt before then.

Each team's perspective

For the Nets, they kill two birds with one stone. First, they save money. This is a major priority, both because Prokhorov is trying to sell the team and because they are a NY team that could plausibly become a free agent destination at some point down the road. Second, they get prospects and draft picks, which they sorely sorely lack. Guys like Young and PJIII are more valuable to them than to us, as they can afford to give them PT.

For the C's, we dramatically increase our odds at a top-3 pick this year. The Nets lose two of their best three players (arguably, their best two); and if you think that DLee or ET (much less Young, PJIII or Rozier) are going to help them, you're kidding yourself. I think the Nets would be the worst team in the league. Meanwhile, we significantly upgrade our two positions of need, giving us a stud center (at least when healthy) and a starting-caliber forward with value on both ends of the court. If you buy the narrative that the C's are going to be in the mix for the 2/3 seed in the East, then this trade could be our ticket to the ECF.

What do you guys think-- is this trade good for both teams? Would Billy King ever trade with Ainge again?

[Monkhouse]

Your name kind of states exactly how I feel about this trade...

First off you want to give up our pick, David Lee, an expiring/team option contract of 15 million, Rozier, and Young for Thaddeus Young, (who honestly hasn't proved anything except he can score on bad teams,) and Lopez who has been labeled injury prone like 2 years after he came into the league.

No thanks.

No.

No.

No.

Terrible trade for us, and it even gives the Nets incentive to just go ham and fire sale everyone not under 25.

[max215]

This is one of those unique trade ideas that hurts all parties involved.

[loco_91]

Your name kind of states exactly how I feel about this trade...

First off you want to give up our pick, David Lee, an expiring/team option contract of 15 million, Rozier, and Young for Thaddeus Young, (who honestly hasn't proved anything except he can score on bad teams,) and Lopez who has been labeled injury prone like 2 years after he came into the league.

No thanks.

No.

No.

No.

Terrible trade for us, and it even gives the Nets incentive to just go ham and fire sale everyone not under 25.

Lopez is injury prone indeed, but when healthy he's one of the best centers in the league. As to Thad, it isn't his fault he's always been on bad teams. But he's made an impact everywhere he's been, on both ends of the floor. He's a plus player for sure, just not a star like healthy Lopez.

And as to what we're giving up, think about it this way: say the trade causes the Bkn pick to go from #6 to #2. How much would you give to trade up from #6 to #2 in a top heavy draft?

[KeepRondo]

Your name kind of states exactly how I feel about this trade...

First off you want to give up our pick, David Lee, an expiring/team option contract of 15 million, Rozier, and Young for Thaddeus Young, (who honestly hasn't proved anything except he can score on bad teams,) and Lopez who has been labeled injury prone like 2 years after he came into the league.

No thanks.

No.

No.

No.

Terrible trade for us, and it even gives the Nets incentive to just go ham and fire sale everyone not under 25.

Lopez is injury prone indeed, but when healthy he's one of the best centers in the league. As to Thad, it isn't his fault he's always been on bad teams. But he's made an impact everywhere he's been, on both ends of the floor. He's a plus player for sure, just not a star like healthy Lopez.

And as to what we're giving up, think about it this way: say the trade causes the Bkn pick to go from #6 to #2. How much would you give to trade up from #6 to #2 in a top heavy draft?

Lopez is the kind of Center you want to avoid with the way NBA teams are stretching the court.

Lopez is too slow to guard stretch bigs or get drawn out on high picks.

[MJohnnyboy]

Sorry but the Nets aren't making any major trades with the Celtics involving their best players unless they get their picks back. They are stupid but not THAT stupid.

[Monkhouse]

Your name kind of states exactly how I feel about this trade...

First off you want to give up our pick, David Lee, an expiring/team option contract of 15 million, Rozier, and Young for Thaddeus Young, (who honestly hasn't proved anything except he can score on bad teams,) and Lopez who has been labeled injury prone like 2 years after he came into the league.

No thanks.

No.

No.

No.

Terrible trade for us, and it even gives the Nets incentive to just go ham and fire sale everyone not under 25.

Lopez is injury prone indeed, but when healthy he's one of the best centers in the league. As to Thad, it isn't his fault he's always been on bad teams. But he's made an impact everywhere he's been, on both ends of the floor. He's a plus player for sure, just not a star like healthy Lopez.

And as to what we're giving up, think about it this way: say the trade causes the Bkn pick to go from #6 to #2. How much would you give to trade up from #6 to #2 in a top heavy draft?

Which is like never....

Also for the last paragraph, depends... I would give up a lot of players even Smart if it meant, we could get a bonafide top 3 pick.

[crimson_stallion]

Your name kind of states exactly how I feel about this trade...

First off you want to give up our pick, David Lee, an expiring/team option contract of 15 million, Rozier, and Young for Thaddeus Young, (who honestly hasn't proved anything except he can score on bad teams,) and Lopez who has been labeled injury prone like 2 years after he came into the league.

No thanks.

No.

No.

No.

Terrible trade for us, and it even gives the Nets incentive to just go ham and fire sale everyone not under 25.

Lopez is injury prone indeed, but when healthy he's one of the best centers in the league. As to Thad, it isn't his fault he's always been on bad teams. But he's made an impact everywhere he's been, on both ends of the floor. He's a plus player for sure, just not a star like healthy Lopez.

And as to what we're giving up, think about it this way: say the trade causes the Bkn pick to go from #6 to #2. How much would you give to trade up from #6 to #2 in a top heavy draft?

I wouldn't do the specific trade listed for a number of reasons:

1) I think Young is about on par with Lee, Johnson and Sully - so he wouldn't really be an upgrade at PF

2) I think Rozier has the potential to become a better player than Thad Young ever has been (and ever will be) so I'm not willing to give up Rozier for a guy of Young's calibre 

3) Although Lee may well not even be on this roster after he season is done, I think he's presence on this team will indirectly impact our future in a big way.  I say this because I think Lee is going to add a significant number of wins to this team, and I think the Celtics position within the East is going to have a major impact on the team's appeal in the next free agency

4) I worry that Lee makes Brooklyn significantly better as a team, which hurts our pick this year.  I worry that giving the nets Rozier is giving them an olive branch (since nobody else on the team has any real upside) and puts our future Nets picks at risk.

So for all of the above reason, I wouldn't make that trade, or any trade that involves us getting Thad Young at PF.

BUT

We desperately need an upgrade over Crowder at the SF spot, and Thad Young would be a major upgrade over Crowder.  We also don't seem to know what to do with Sully, so trading him helps us.  I'd be happy to offer the Nets a deal of Crowder, Sully and James Young in return for Thaddeus Young. 

The salaries seem to match up, and this probably helps the Nets since they are so bad at every position (bar center) that this deal probably makes them better.  A starting lineup of Jack, Johnson, Crowder, Sully, Lopez looks much better than the rubbish they are putting out there right now...and given they have about ZERO upside on their roster, getting three <26 year old guys doesn't hurt. 

If they accept that deal, i'm happy.  It makes us much better.  If they don't accept it that's fine - Thaddeus Young really isn't that great, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over t.

[Monkhouse]

Your name kind of states exactly how I feel about this trade...

First off you want to give up our pick, David Lee, an expiring/team option contract of 15 million, Rozier, and Young for Thaddeus Young, (who honestly hasn't proved anything except he can score on bad teams,) and Lopez who has been labeled injury prone like 2 years after he came into the league.

No thanks.

No.

No.

No.

Terrible trade for us, and it even gives the Nets incentive to just go ham and fire sale everyone not under 25.

Lopez is injury prone indeed, but when healthy he's one of the best centers in the league. As to Thad, it isn't his fault he's always been on bad teams. But he's made an impact everywhere he's been, on both ends of the floor. He's a plus player for sure, just not a star like healthy Lopez.

And as to what we're giving up, think about it this way: say the trade causes the Bkn pick to go from #6 to #2. How much would you give to trade up from #6 to #2 in a top heavy draft?

I wouldn't do the specific trade listed for a number of reasons:

1) I think Young is about on par with Lee, Johnson and Sully - so he wouldn't really be an upgrade at PF

2) I think Rozier has the potential to become a better player than Thad Young ever has been (and ever will be) so I'm not willing to give up Rozier for a guy of Young's calibre 

3) Although Lee may well not even be on this roster after he season is done, I think he's presence on this team will indirectly impact our future in a big way.  I say this because I think Lee is going to add a significant number of wins to this team, and I think the Celtics position within the East is going to have a major impact on the team's appeal in the next free agency

4) I worry that Lee makes Brooklyn significantly better as a team, which hurts our pick this year.  I worry that giving the nets Rozier is giving them an olive branch (since nobody else on the team has any real upside) and puts our future Nets picks at risk.

So for all of the above reason, I wouldn't make that trade, or any trade that involves us getting Thad Young at PF.

BUT

We desperately need an upgrade over Crowder at the SF spot, and Thad Young would be a major upgrade over Crowder.  We also don't seem to know what to do with Sully, so trading him helps us.  I'd be happy to offer the Nets a deal of Crowder, Sully and James Young in return for Thaddeus Young. 

The salaries seem to match up, and this probably helps the Nets since they are so bad at every position (bar center) that this deal probably makes them better.  A starting lineup of Jack, Johnson, Crowder, Sully, Lopez looks much better than the rubbish they are putting out there right now...and given they have about ZERO upside on their roster, getting three <26 year old guys doesn't hurt. 

If they accept that deal, i'm happy.  It makes us much better.  If they don't accept it that's fine - Thaddeus Young really isn't that great, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over t.

Whoa, whoa... You want Young for Crowder, Young, and Sully?!?

Ainge would never do that.

Also you know Young isn't a SF right? Hes a PF.

I don't get how getting rid of our only small forward, in return for an undersized power forward would help us.

[D Dub]

Your name kind of states exactly how I feel about this trade...

First off you want to give up our pick, David Lee, an expiring/team option contract of 15 million, Rozier, and Young for Thaddeus Young, (who honestly hasn't proved anything except he can score on bad teams,) and Lopez who has been labeled injury prone like 2 years after he came into the league.

No thanks.

No.

No.

No.

Terrible trade for us, and it even gives the Nets incentive to just go ham and fire sale everyone not under 25.

Lopez is injury prone indeed, but when healthy he's one of the best centers in the league. As to Thad, it isn't his fault he's always been on bad teams. But he's made an impact everywhere he's been, on both ends of the floor. He's a plus player for sure, just not a star like healthy Lopez.

And as to what we're giving up, think about it this way: say the trade causes the Bkn pick to go from #6 to #2. How much would you give to trade up from #6 to #2 in a top heavy draft?

Oh yea i remember those two games

[BornReady]

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we would be giving up everything to gain pretty much nothing

this trade would be highway robbery for us

[BDeCosta26]

Brooklyn isn't trading Lopez unless they get at least one lottery pick and change in return. They've made it quite plain that they want to get back into the 1st round of the draft in the next few years, but in doing that they'll be at the mercy of whoevers pick they get.

Considering that, they're not gonna trade us their best (and most valuable in a trade) player, and only get the C's pick in return. By doing that trade you'd think it would make us better, this making the pick move into the 20's and that's not good enough to justify trading Lopez/Young.

They would certainly consider it for a deal like this:
Boston trades the 2016 Brooklyn pick, 2016 Philly 2nd, Terry Rozier and Jared Sullinger. That's a deal that might get it done, but if I was DA that's too much, I wouldn't agree to it.

[slamtheking]

Brooklyn isn't trading Lopez unless they get at least one lottery pick and change in return. They've made it quite plain that they want to get back into the 1st round of the draft in the next few years, but in doing that they'll be at the mercy of whoevers pick they get.

Considering that, they're not gonna trade us their best (and most valuable in a trade) player, and only get the C's pick in return. By doing that trade you'd think it would make us better, this making the pick move into the 20's and that's not good enough to justify trading Lopez/Young.

They would certainly consider it for a deal like this:
Boston trades the 2016 Brooklyn pick, 2016 Philly 2nd, Terry Rozier and Jared Sullinger. That's a deal that might get it done, but if I was DA that's too much, I wouldn't agree to it.

that'd be hideous for the C's.  That Brooklyn pick is already looking top 5 right now.  While Rozier and Sully wouldn't expect to make the impact for Brooklyn that Lopez will have, us having an injury-prone Lopez on a large contract isn't going to make a huge difference for us IMHO.  sure, maybe a few games better and gets us safely into the playoffs but he doesn't seem to be the type of center that would fit Brad's offense and his D is worse than Zeller's. 

would much rather have that pick in this draft, keep Rozier and if trading Sully, get a decent prospect or future 1st or a solid 2-way player (preferably a SF or C -- not Lopez).

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

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[bigal534]

The rationale:
If the Nets owned their own draft pick, they'd be tanking right now. They don't, so they aren't-- but why don't we give them an incentive to tank? We can afford to make a slightly bad deal for their good players, and then we might well get Ben Simmons.

The trade:

David Lee
James Young
Terry Rozier
Evan Turner
Perry Jones
Our own '16 1st
Our '18 1st if any of the Nets picks are top 3

for

Brook Lopez (3 years, $20m)
Thad Young (4 years, $11m)

I believe the money just works out. It would have to wait until December 14, as Lopez and Thad can't be dealt before then.

Each team's perspective

For the Nets, they kill two birds with one stone. First, they save money. This is a major priority, both because Prokhorov is trying to sell the team and because they are a NY team that could plausibly become a free agent destination at some point down the road. Second, they get prospects and draft picks, which they sorely sorely lack. Guys like Young and PJIII are more valuable to them than to us, as they can afford to give them PT.

For the C's, we dramatically increase our odds at a top-3 pick this year. The Nets lose two of their best three players (arguably, their best two); and if you think that DLee or ET (much less Young, PJIII or Rozier) are going to help them, you're kidding yourself. I think the Nets would be the worst team in the league. Meanwhile, we significantly upgrade our two positions of need, giving us a stud center (at least when healthy) and a starting-caliber forward with value on both ends of the court. If you buy the narrative that the C's are going to be in the mix for the 2/3 seed in the East, then this trade could be our ticket to the ECF.

What do you guys think-- is this trade good for both teams? Would Billy King ever trade with Ainge again?

I dont post much, but i had to login to state this is by far one of the worst trades i have ever seen posted in my life.

We would basically be giving the Nets the Farm system (which they granted us), for 2 Mediocre veterans, 1 of which is always hurt, the other of which has never met their expectations and quite frankly is a role player on a good team.

HORRIBLE TRADE