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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #75 on: December 05, 2015, 12:54:52 AM »

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All Star? Probably not.

But how does that $8m/yr contract look now?

Once again, Ainge is playing chess and Celticsblog forum posters are playing checkers.

I don't remember there being a lot of outrage about his contract on the forums, actually.

I do - there was.

The level of hate about that contract on here was astronomical.  I think there might have been 25% of the people on this forum saying it was a fair deal, with maybe another 5% saying it was going to be a bargain.   The 70% or so that remained either said it was a bad deal, that it was a horrendous deal, or that Ainge should be fired.

Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #76 on: December 05, 2015, 01:35:44 AM »

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All Star? Probably not.

But how does that $8m/yr contract look now?

Once again, Ainge is playing chess and Celticsblog forum posters are playing checkers.
I think he will make an all star game. I believe it more now.

It's gotten to the point where I'm actually,sort of concerned how big his next contract is going to have to be.

Too early in the season to be concerned...

But good thing we have him locked in until 2018.

We'll see whether or not if he is good enough to be deemed Allstar worthy, aka max contract material.

I always felt like Bradley could be a more improved version of Eric Gordon, minus his ball handling. Hes a far superior defender, but so many people like me, have clamored for bringing in EG, but Bradley does everything except ball handing; better.

The thing is I feel like Avery will end up topping off at just good enough to want a max contact and just not good enough for us to want to give him one. It's a distant worry for now I guess.


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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #77 on: December 05, 2015, 02:29:05 AM »

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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #78 on: December 05, 2015, 06:11:42 AM »

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All Star? Probably not.

But how does that $8m/yr contract look now?

Once again, Ainge is playing chess and Celticsblog forum posters are playing checkers.

I don't remember there being a lot of outrage about his contract on the forums, actually.

I do - there was.

The level of hate about that contract on here was astronomical.  I think there might have been 25% of the people on this forum saying it was a fair deal, with maybe another 5% saying it was going to be a bargain.   The 70% or so that remained either said it was a bad deal, that it was a horrendous deal, or that Ainge should be fired.

I recall some of complaints being that he was too injury-prone to be worth more than 5-6 million, he was a backup-caliber player being given starter money, Ainge was handing out big contracts to role players before locking down a star, the Celtics should let him walk and try to create cap space to sign someone like Lance Stephenson, he was going to soak up minutes that should be force-fed to Smart and Young....
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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #79 on: December 05, 2015, 08:21:44 AM »

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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #80 on: December 05, 2015, 09:05:41 AM »

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All Star? Probably not.

But how does that $8m/yr contract look now?

Once again, Ainge is playing chess and Celticsblog forum posters are playing checkers.

I don't remember there being a lot of outrage about his contract on the forums, actually.

I do - there was.

The level of hate about that contract on here was astronomical.  I think there might have been 25% of the people on this forum saying it was a fair deal, with maybe another 5% saying it was going to be a bargain.   The 70% or so that remained either said it was a bad deal, that it was a horrendous deal, or that Ainge should be fired.

I recall some of complaints being that he was too injury-prone to be worth more than 5-6 million, he was a backup-caliber player being given starter money, Ainge was handing out big contracts to role players before locking down a star, the Celtics should let him walk and try to create cap space to sign someone like Lance Stephenson, he was going to soak up minutes that should be force-fed to Smart and Young....

I thought most of the criticism was that his contract wasn't going to give us the cap space to go after more max contracts, and that he was only best used in a sign and trade.

Looking back, I actually hated the contract, but I love it now, because AB is improving every facet of his game, and focusing on being more of a sharp shooter. Which is how I envisioned CBS using him.
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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #81 on: December 05, 2015, 09:06:09 AM »

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If the Celtics do extremely well, then yes I can see AB getting the nod for backup Allstar.
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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #82 on: December 05, 2015, 09:15:50 AM »

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Avery's contract was maligned on this blog as recently as last season.  When the contract was signed, DA was blasted here.  Short memories from some.  Time has probably lightened the memory of how Tony Allen was treated here, or Scal.  I remember posting how irrelevant Scal's 3M (or whatever it was) was in the overall scheme of things, while he was getting ripped on a daily basis here. We all love him now and some probably think we always did.

Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #83 on: December 05, 2015, 09:22:58 AM »

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Avery's contract was maligned on this blog as recently as last season.  When the contract was signed, DA was blasted here.  Short memories from some.  Time has probably lightened the memory of how Tony Allen was treated here, or Scal.  I remember posting how irrelevant Scal's 3M (or whatever it was) was in the overall scheme of things, while he was getting ripped on a daily basis here. We all love him now and some probably think we always did.

all true, but is he anAll Star?

If Korver can do it, why not AB?  As others have said a lot will depend on his contribution to a winner. 
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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #84 on: December 05, 2015, 09:30:03 AM »

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Avery's contract was maligned on this blog as recently as last season.  When the contract was signed, DA was blasted here.  Short memories from some.  Time has probably lightened the memory of how Tony Allen was treated here, or Scal.  I remember posting how irrelevant Scal's 3M (or whatever it was) was in the overall scheme of things, while he was getting ripped on a daily basis here. We all love him now and some probably think we always did.

all true, but is he anAll Star?

If Korver can do it, why not AB?  As others have said a lot will depend on his contribution to a winner.
Korver had a historically good season shooting the three last year (49% on 450 shots). That helped him squeeze through even though he's not a star by any other conventional measures. Bradley doesn't really have that type of skill (whatever you may like to think about his defense).
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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #85 on: December 05, 2015, 09:30:44 AM »

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I was trying to find an old reaction thread after Bradley's signing and found one from his rookie signing instead.  Some pretty funny hyperbolic perspectives looking back.  Also some amazingly spot on stuff. 
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=39666.0
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« Reply #86 on: December 05, 2015, 09:31:08 AM »

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Avery's contract was maligned on this blog as recently as last season.  When the contract was signed, DA was blasted here.  Short memories from some.  Time has probably lightened the memory of how Tony Allen was treated here, or Scal.  I remember posting how irrelevant Scal's 3M (or whatever it was) was in the overall scheme of things, while he was getting ripped on a daily basis here. We all love him now and some probably think we always did.

all true, but is he anAll Star?

If Korver can do it, why not AB?  As others have said a lot will depend on his contribution to a winner.
Korver had a historically good season shooting the three last year (49% on 450 shots). That helped him squeeze through even though he's not a star by any other conventional measures. Bradley doesn't really have that type of skill (whatever you may like to think about his defense).
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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #87 on: December 05, 2015, 09:34:08 AM »

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Avery's contract was maligned on this blog as recently as last season.  When the contract was signed, DA was blasted here.  Short memories from some.  Time has probably lightened the memory of how Tony Allen was treated here, or Scal.  I remember posting how irrelevant Scal's 3M (or whatever it was) was in the overall scheme of things, while he was getting ripped on a daily basis here. We all love him now and some probably think we always did.
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Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #88 on: December 05, 2015, 09:39:09 AM »

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I do - there was.

The level of hate about that contract on here was astronomical.  I think there might have been 25% of the people on this forum saying it was a fair deal, with maybe another 5% saying it was going to be a bargain.   The 70% or so that remained either said it was a bad deal, that it was a horrendous deal, or that Ainge should be fired.

It's fair to say there were a lot of vocal posters opposed to the contract, but many of us lurking weren't worked up about it.  In the NBA every contract is a risk and there were certainly reasons to believe AB would be worth the money, so why rage about a contract?  Sure, some contracts don't pan out, like Raef LaFrentz or the X-Man, but the only contract I've ever gotten REALLY frustrated about was Mark Blount's huge payday.  Who DIDN'T see that disaster coming?  I think there are many CBlog members who remember that we are at best arm-chair GMs and prefer to avoid online squabbling over done deals.  And for those who do like to get worked up about done deals, well, we understand you are fans too and that's a part of what this forum is for.

Re: Avery Bradley an All Star?
« Reply #89 on: December 05, 2015, 09:42:30 AM »

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Avery's contract was maligned on this blog as recently as last season.  When the contract was signed, DA was blasted here.  Short memories from some.  Time has probably lightened the memory of how Tony Allen was treated here, or Scal.  I remember posting how irrelevant Scal's 3M (or whatever it was) was in the overall scheme of things, while he was getting ripped on a daily basis here. We all love him now and some probably think we always did.

all true, but is he anAll Star?

If Korver can do it, why not AB?  As others have said a lot will depend on his contribution to a winner. 
Avery's contract was maligned on this blog as recently as last season.  When the contract was signed, DA was blasted here.  Short memories from some.  Time has probably lightened the memory of how Tony Allen was treated here, or Scal.  I remember posting how irrelevant Scal's 3M (or whatever it was) was in the overall scheme of things, while he was getting ripped on a daily basis here. We all love him now and some probably think we always did.

all true, but is he anAll Star?

If Korver can do it, why not AB?  As others have said a lot will depend on his contribution to a winner.
Korver had a historically good season shooting the three last year (49% on 450 shots). That helped him squeeze through even though he's not a star by any other conventional measures. Bradley doesn't really have that type of skill (whatever you may like to think about his defense).

Kyle Korver had one of the best seasons of his career.

He made the Hawks 4.3 points better per possession, and was draining 3's at the time of the All-Star selection at 52.8% clip, to put that in perspective, the next best shooter Courtney Lee was shooting 45.8%.

That's literally 7 pts better.

I once made a thread about how much defenses hone in and guard him consistently, and how Korver relentlessly runs around like a mad man to free himself open, and still manages to catch and shoot contested 3's.

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Korver's here because he's making history, shooting 51 percent from the field, 52 percent from the 3-point line and 91 percent from the free throw line. He's here because the Hawks are 43-11, easily the best team in the Eastern Conference. Korver credits great coaching, great teammates and the fact he feels healthier than ever before. It is all of that, as well as the fact that it's the perfect time.

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“Korver deserves to be here,” Golden State Warriors head coach Steve Kerr said. “He's having the greatest shooting season of anybody ever. The numbers are off the charts. But it goes beyond the shooting. It's what he does to the defense because of the threat of his shooting, the screens that he sets, the way he opens up his teammates. He's turned into a great player.”

People have to take into account, the Hawks were doing really exceptionally well. They were on course to break their franchise record for wins and losses, which they did of course, but at the end of the day, it was still a team sport. Every Hawk player that was chosen as an Allstar always said Korver's spacing and fundamental cerebral understanding of the game, opened lanes and made it that much easier for them.

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In conclusion, Korver wouldn't have been an Allstar if Wade hadn't decided to rest.

Do I think AB could be an Allstar? Sure.

If the Celtics have a great record, and IT/AB both stand out, there is a possibility we could both see two Allstars.

AB would have to go on a run though, and most likely secure at least one player of the week to even get the media to focus on him.
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