Author Topic: Official 2015-16 Brooklyn Nets Season Watch Thread (21-59, 3rd slot as of 4/12)  (Read 704237 times)

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Offline trickybilly

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I'll do it myself.

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Guess you can't lose them all. But that makes their upcoming game against Portland that much more important. I don't want them heading into Atlanta with any momentum.

Come on, Brooklyn, suck for us!

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Joe Johnson hit some huge clutch baskets to stave off the Nets down the stretch.  He's been really good in January. 

Really unfortunate that Melo hurt himself last night.

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Pelicans up big against the Kings. Hopefully they win and cancel out this Nets win

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Guess the Nets beat us once again - by transitive property - If Knicks beat us and Nets beat Knicks, then Nets beat us. I can see that Afflalo didn't go all Michael Jordan on the Nets like he did with us.

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Denver and NO winning takes away some of the sting of a nets win.

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Denver and NO winning takes away some of the sting of a nets win.

That and Dallas losing.

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The Twolves lost again for 8 straight losses.  They're on the verge of falling behind the Nets.  Imagine if they get lucky and add Simmons to Wiggins and Townes. 

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The Twolves lost again for 8 straight losses.  They're on the verge of falling behind the Nets.  Imagine if they get lucky and add Simmons to Wiggins and Townes.

And the Celtics getting Ingram!  ;D

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I HIGHLY recommend the latest edition of the Lowe Post. There's a ton of Nets talk and it's extremely interesting.
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I HIGHLY recommend the latest edition of the Lowe Post. There's a ton of Nets talk and it's extremely interesting.

I listened to it yesterday. It's very interesting though I am mad that they can't cuss like they could on Grantland.  ;D

They basically contradicted everything that's been said by the pessimists about Brooklyn's situation.
-Brooklyn right now is in the worst possible spot they can be in. They are awful with no realistic hope for the future until they stop giving the Celtics their picks, which doesn't happen until 2019. The only other team that has been in a worse spot was Ted Stepiens' Cavaliers, and they were so bad that the NBA had to create rules to just to get them out of that hole.
-Even if Brooklyn is in New York, that doesn't raise its value at all especially since the Nets, unlike the Knicks who have Melo and Porzingis, don't have a superstar or a young prospect to build around. And, as evidenced by Greg Monroe and Lamarcus Aldridge, guys don't consider these high markets if the teams are terrible and they can get paid just as much somewhere else.
-They weren't hating on Lopez and Young. They are just saying those two are not guys to build around. The Nets are going to have money but so is everyone else, and basically they said you can bet your bottom dollar no high-caliber free agent will sign with Brooklyn with all the money that will go around.
-They acknowledge that Brooklyn's moves that backfired were explainable back when they were made (outside of trading the #6 pick for Wallace), but the mindset they have right now is dumb. They supposedly think moving ahead with Lopez/Young is the right way to go when they should be trying to get something of young value out of those guys. If they are doing it just to set the Celtics back with the picks, there's no point because those picks are gone anyway. That just sets the Nets back too. They should re-build, not re-tool.
-They had quite a few trade proposals for Lopez/Young. They said that, again, contradictory to what a few here believe, no one in the league wants to pay much for Brook Lopez given his foot issues (Given that they have sources, I believe them). They are willing to trade for him, but not much. They proposed Portland, Oklahoma City, Charlotte, and even Boston could get Lopez. They made a few proposals for Young too like Toronto and Detroit. Believe it or not, those guys don't fetch much value despite their numbers.

I agree with them. Brooklyn is screwed. Their experiment failed badly, and they should re-build. They have a few decent young pieces like Hollis-Jefferson and possibly McCullough, but they need more. Young is a glorified role player while Lopez is an injury-prone but offensively talented big. Cash in on them while you still can. I know a few are going to say, "But they could get someone in free agency!" Is that a possibility? Yes, but is it likely? Nope. If the Knicks couldn't land a big fish in free agency this year, the odds of the Nets getting someone good is even less likely.

Well done Mr. Ainge. This couldn't have worked out any better.
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Offline max215

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I HIGHLY recommend the latest edition of the Lowe Post. There's a ton of Nets talk and it's extremely interesting.

I listened to it yesterday. It's very interesting though I am mad that they can't cuss like they could on Grantland.  ;D

They basically contradicted everything that's been said by the pessimists about Brooklyn's situation.
-Brooklyn right now is in the worst possible spot they can be in. They are awful with no realistic hope for the future until they stop giving the Celtics their picks, which doesn't happen until 2019. The only other team that has been in a worse spot was Ted Stepiens' Cavaliers, and they were so bad that the NBA had to create rules to just to get them out of that hole.
-Even if Brooklyn is in New York, that doesn't raise its value at all especially since the Nets, unlike the Knicks who have Melo and Porzingis, don't have a superstar or a young prospect to build around. And, as evidenced by Greg Monroe and Lamarcus Aldridge, guys don't consider these high markets if the teams are terrible and they can get paid just as much somewhere else.
-They weren't hating on Lopez and Young. They are just saying those two are not guys to build around. The Nets are going to have money but so is everyone else, and basically they said you can bet your bottom dollar no high-caliber free agent will sign with Brooklyn with all the money that will go around.
-They acknowledge that Brooklyn's moves that backfired were explainable back when they were made (outside of trading the #6 pick for Lillard), but the mindset they have right now is dumb. They supposedly think moving ahead with Lopez/Young is the right way to go when they should be trying to get something out of young value out of those guys. If they are doing it just to set the Celtics back with the picks, there's no point because those picks are gone anyway. That just sets the Nets back too. They should re-build, not re-tool.
-They had quite a few trade proposals for Lopez/Young. They said that, again, contradictory to what a few here believe, no one in the league wants to pay much for Brook Lopez given his foot issues (Given that they have sources, I believe them). They are willing to trade for him, but not much. They proposed Portland, Oklahoma City, Charlotte, and even Boston could get Lopez. They made a few proposals for Young too like Toronto and Detroit. Believe it or not, those guys don't fetch much value despite their numbers.

I agree with them. Brooklyn is screwed. Their experiment failed badly, and they should re-build. They have a few decent young pieces like Hollis-Jefferson and possibly McCullough, but they need more. Young is a glorified role player while Lopez is an injury-prone but offensively talented big. Cash in on them while you still can. I know a few are going to say, "But they could get someone in free agency!" Is that a possibility? Yes, but is it likely? Nope. If the Knicks couldn't land a big fish in free agency this year, the odds of the Nets getting someone good is even less likely.

Well done Mr. Ainge. This couldn't have worked out any better.

TP for a great write-up. For those of you who would prefer not to listen to the pod, this is a good portion of the info.
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The best point brought up by that podcast is that the new Nets management shouldn't manage the Nets to try to lower the value of the picks they give to Boston. Those picks are gone and not coming back. Overpaying for a bunch of middle level players simply to get to mediocrity is about the worst thing the Nets can do. They'll become mediocre and use up their cap space and only create a situation where they would then have to blow it up and restart all over again in 2019 with a team that could be a bottom feeder for years simply to rebuild trying to find a superstar.

They will be better off starting the rebuild now. Dump the heavy contracts for the best deals you can get. Keep the salary situation flexible to possibly make trades where you absorb salaries in trades from teams that will need cap space. Find some youth to develop through trades or trades that net draft picks. Would this be great for Boston? Sure. but its probably in the Nets best interest as a franchise.


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The best point brought up by that podcast is that the new Nets management shouldn't manage the Nets to try to lower the value of the picks they give to Boston. Those picks are gone and not coming back. Overpaying for a bunch of middle level players simply to get to mediocrity is about the worst thing the Nets can do. They'll become mediocre and use up their cap space and only create a situation where they would then have to blow it up and restart all over again in 2019 with a team that could be a bottom feeder for years simply to rebuild trying to find a superstar.

They will be better off starting the rebuild now. Dump the heavy contracts for the best deals you can get. Keep the salary situation flexible to possibly make trades where you absorb salaries in trades from teams that will need cap space. Find some youth to develop through trades or trades that net draft picks. Would this be great for Boston? Sure. but its probably in the Nets best interest as a franchise.
That's actually a really good point and I hadn't really ever thought of it from that perspective.  I kept thinking, "Welp they got nothin to lose... might as well just get as many crappy vets and bad contracts they can to be as competitive as possible", but the smart move still probably is moving Brook Lopez and whoever else for picks and trying to build through youth despite not owning their personal draft picks.

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The best point brought up by that podcast is that the new Nets management shouldn't manage the Nets to try to lower the value of the picks they give to Boston. Those picks are gone and not coming back. Overpaying for a bunch of middle level players simply to get to mediocrity is about the worst thing the Nets can do. They'll become mediocre and use up their cap space and only create a situation where they would then have to blow it up and restart all over again in 2019 with a team that could be a bottom feeder for years simply to rebuild trying to find a superstar.

They will be better off starting the rebuild now. Dump the heavy contracts for the best deals you can get. Keep the salary situation flexible to possibly make trades where you absorb salaries in trades from teams that will need cap space. Find some youth to develop through trades or trades that net draft picks. Would this be great for Boston? Sure. but its probably in the Nets best interest as a franchise.
Going into rebuild mode makes little sense when you only have 1 1st over the next three years.  Young and Lopez don't have bad contracts.  The Nets have no reason to trade them unless they get a good return which I don't see happening.  Johnson's contract expires after this year.  With the cap jumping so much, I don't think there's going to be much need or much return for salary dump trades for the next couple years.  The Nets should be able to improve themselves in free agency while keeping their salary situation flexible.