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 Which combo of bigs should start

Amir and David Lee
17 (36.2%)
Amir and Sully
21 (44.7%)
Zeller and Sully
1 (2.1%)
Kelly and Amir
8 (17%)
For Triboy, Mickey and anyone else
0 (0%)

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Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2015, 11:48:50 AM »

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Amir and Lee is what they have to go with.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2015, 12:17:05 PM »

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Add your own combination if not listed.
 
 Keep in mind that to start the season it will either be.

 Smart
 Bradley
 Turner
 
 Or

 Smart
 Avery
 Crowder

Starting 5
Center - Amir Johnson
Power Forward - Jared Sullinger
Small Forward - Evan Turner
Shooting Guard - Avery Bradley
Point Guard - Marcus Smart

Backup 5
Center - Tyler Zeller
Power Forward - David Lee
Small Forward - Jae Crowder
Shooting Guard - James Young/Terry Rozier
Point Guard - Isaiah Thomas

Fill Spots
Center - Kelly Olynky
Shooting Guard - R.J. Hunter
Power Forward - Jordan Mickey
Power Forward/Small Forward - Jonas Jerebko

I do think though we should trade Kelly Olynky as he's had a great summer and Evan Turner.  Get a 1st rounder for next year or this year for the two of them.  I'd like to keep Perry Jones III.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2015, 12:25:41 PM »

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I will be interested to see how Lee looks this season. He wasn't overly amazing to end the year in GS and he is coming to a much worse team after winning a championship. Also, he isn't exactly young and athletic anymore.

We have to remember that all we gave up for him was Gerald Wallace...seriously, his value was equal to that of Gerald Wallace (plus some salary). Expecting him to leapfrog our top 3 (young, developing) bigs from last year isn't totally realistic unless Danny and Brad really really care about eeking out 2-3 extra wins.

I agree, though, that somebody is likely to be traded out of Sully, KO, and Zeller and we will have a more reasonable four 'big' lineup with Jerebko getting situational minutes and Mickey preparing to take Lee's spot next year.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2015, 12:41:08 PM »

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I'm in the Lee and Johnson camp.  Lee has proven the most out of anyone and Johnson is the best defender of them all.

After that I really go with Sully and Olynyk: they both have more potential than Zeller, and on a team that will contend for a playoff spot, but not a title, I think that's worth exploring more. 

As for Zeller, I don't hate him, but his ceiling is that of a good backup center who isn't really much of a rim-protector.  He can ride the pine for the whole season for all I'm concerned. 

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2015, 04:23:36 PM »

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Zeller (C)
Amir (PF)
Turner (SF)
Bradley (SG)
Smart (PG)

Hit 'em in the face with defense and run them ragged with pace. Turner will be switched out for Crowder when Smart shows that he's ready to run the team. Then, smack the second team around with offense with KO, Lee, Sully and IT.

This strategy really plays to our strength as a young deep team.



I like it...TP
If Crowder shows improved scoring ability, he should be inserted in place of Turner.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2015, 05:06:27 PM »

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I'm in the Lee and Johnson camp.  Lee has proven the most out of anyone and Johnson is the best defender of them all.

After that I really go with Sully and Olynyk: they both have more potential than Zeller, and on a team that will contend for a playoff spot, but not a title, I think that's worth exploring more. 

As for Zeller, I don't hate him, but his ceiling is that of a good backup center who isn't really much of a rim-protector.  He can ride the pine for the whole season for all I'm concerned.

Exactly.

Amir is the sure keeper, and two of Lee, Sully, and KO.  Zeller plus one of them will likely be gone by midseason, along with Bradley. But Lee is the guy to beat out.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2015, 05:08:04 PM »

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Sully looks poised for the showcase.  If he can jump out to a 20/10 pace, and we get some luck in Brooklyn, we could have the makings of a very strong trade-deadline package for Cousins.


Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #22 on: September 28, 2015, 05:43:45 PM »

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Ideally for me it would be
Smart
Bradley
Crowder
Sully
Amir.

This would allow Smart and Sully to be the offensive focus while AB and Amir simply let the offense come to them where I think they can both be really effective. Crowder is a bit of a wild card here, but I like him because it allows Sully to focus on playing offense and grabbing boards. In this lineup I could see him putting up close to 20-10.

Problem with that lineup is that it relies on Smart to be the only ball handler and it makes the second unit a bit of a mess.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #23 on: September 28, 2015, 06:08:05 PM »

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The best two who earn it.  Be it Sully or anyone else.   Sully is the worst defensive big though therefore I would play him with Amir for the coverage with Amir shooting the threes and Sully down low on offense.   KO and Zeller with Lee perhaps because Lee is good inside and Zeller can hit the mid range and KO the perimeter.

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Sully looks poised for the showcase.  If he can jump out to a 20/10 pace, and we get some luck in Brooklyn, we could have the makings of a very strong trade-deadline package for Cousins.
   

This is very possible the showcase, but I doubt he makes the 20/10 pace.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #24 on: September 28, 2015, 07:15:04 PM »

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Sully and Amir


If Sully porks out to 300 again .....Lee will play his minutes

I predict Mickey by end of NEXT year Could move in on Sully s job....unless he really performs will be traded .

We should trade Sully , KO and draft picks for Nerlins Noel

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2015, 07:18:50 PM »

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Playing Sullinger and Olynyk together off the bench probably makes the most sense.  Maximize their offensive skills when their defensive ineptitude will be the least damaging.

Jerebko and Zeller will see use depending on matchups.  Those two together might be a better bench combo than Sullinger and Olynyk.

Somebody out of that 6 man grouping is going to see a lot of time on the bench.
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Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2015, 09:11:05 PM »

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Playing Sullinger and Olynyk together off the bench probably makes the most sense.  Maximize their offensive skills when their defensive ineptitude will be the least damaging

Agree, sieve time on defense but they should have an advantage on offense.

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Those two together might be a better bench combo than Sullinger and Olynyk.

At times yes, they were last year.

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2015, 09:16:06 PM »

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I'd like to see Kelly and Amir as the starting bigs. 
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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #28 on: September 28, 2015, 09:17:32 PM »

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The best two who earn it.  Be it Sully or anyone else.   Sully is the worst defensive big though therefore I would play him with Amir for the coverage with Amir shooting the threes and Sully down low on offense.   KO and Zeller with Lee perhaps because Lee is good inside and Zeller can hit the mid range and KO the perimeter.

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Sully looks poised for the showcase.  If he can jump out to a 20/10 pace, and we get some luck in Brooklyn, we could have the makings of a very strong trade-deadline package for Cousins.
   

This is very possible the showcase, but I doubt he makes the 20/10 pace.

I'm no big Sully fan (which is probably obvious by now!) but Sully ins't actually thattt bad defensively.

I think he has good defensive IQ (as in, he knows where he is supposed to be and when) and I think he uses his mass, physicality and decent wingspan well when defending in the paint. 

The big limitation for him is is conditioning, because you can plainly see that his defensive consistency is not there from one play to the next.  First 2 minutes on the court he'll play some great defense, then the next 3 or 4 minutes he's jogging back on D, missing rotations, etc.

If he gets his conditioning much improved (and that's a big 'IF'-  I'm still not convinced) then I think he can be a pretty good below-the-rim defender.  Kind of like David West has been.

Even now I feel like Sully plays good defense, but the problem is he does it in spurts, not consistently.

If he can just get down to 260 pounds and stay there, while also living a wee bit less on the perimeter, then he could be an All-Star.  The 20/10 potential is not out of the realm of possibility.

As far as showcasing, I don't think there is any need to be honest.  Boston has primary bigs on their roster, and if i'm not mistaken only one of those (Olynyk) has a guaranteed contract for next season.  That means every single one of those bigs is a potential trade piece, and hence has potential to be showcased.

The main ones would be Sully, Zeller and Johnson.

1) Sully averaged 18/10/3/1/1 per 36 last year
2) Zeller averaged 18/10/3/1/0.5 per 36 last year along with 55% FG and 82% FT
3) Amir Johnson is a potential $12m expiring next year, and is loved around the league

All three of those guys have the potential to be valuable trade chips.

Lee is probably less valuable to us as a trade asset, and more valuable as either an expiring contract ($15M instant cap space), or as a productive veteran leader/mentor if we can re-sign him on a modest contract.

Olynyk has still got another year on his rookie deal and is an advanced statistics beast, so he's probably more valuable on our active roster than he is as any form of asset.   

Re: Poll: Which two bigs should start
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2015, 01:20:56 AM »

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Playing Sullinger and Olynyk together off the bench probably makes the most sense.  Maximize their offensive skills when their defensive ineptitude will be the least damaging.

Jerebko and Zeller will see use depending on matchups.  Those two together might be a better bench combo than Sullinger and Olynyk.

Somebody out of that 6 man grouping is going to see a lot of time on the bench.










 In theory I like Sully and Kelly off the bench for an offensive force with Isaiah as well. Problem is Lee would have to out produce and outplay Sully to do so, which is a bit iffy.