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Idea: Melo and Durant plan
« on: September 23, 2015, 01:22:26 AM »

Offline Hemingway

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If we play well for the first half of the season and NY wants to get rid of Melo and Melo waives his trade kicker to come here, we have the assets to get a deal done.

If we play even better with Melo, then we can make a pretty strong pitch to KD.

Amir?/Sully?/Free Agent/Zeller
Melo
KD
Bradley
Smart

The 1-4 looks really good. Depending on how much it cost to get Melo we could still have more assets than most teams for minor follow up deals. If Lee and IT re playing well then a deal with both of them may not need much more in picks and would leave us most of what we have now for the team above to work with.
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Re: Idea: Melo and Durrant plan
« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2015, 09:22:57 AM »

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Sorry, but I can't get excited about this at all.  We are developing a young core to play unselfish ball at both ends.  Bringing in an aging, no defense, gunner like Melo would be IMHO a huge step in the wrong direction.  Also I really question if KD's wheels will ever hold up for a full 100 game season (playoffs included) again.  Let's just be patient for another couple of years - just my opinion.

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« Reply #2 on: September 23, 2015, 09:50:00 AM »

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It's a bit of a pipe dream in general, no offense, but even assuming it was plausible I don't really see Melo and Durant working well together.  Their games are fairly similar save that Durant's a more efficient scorer and doesn't tend to work as much in the post. 

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2015, 01:28:25 AM »

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Bringing in an aging, no defense, gunner like Melo would be IMHO a huge step in the wrong direction.

Yeah, who wants a guy who:

* Is a 6x All-NBA selection
* Is an 8x All-Star
* Has 2 Olympic gold medals
* Has averaged > 24 PPG in 10 of his past 12 seasons
* Who has career averages of 25 / 6.5 / 3 on 46% / 35% / 81% shooting
* Has led 10 out of his 14 teams to the playoffs (despite being on two rebuilding teams recently)
* Iis arguably the most complete offensive player in the entire NBA
* At 31 years of age, still has at least another 3-4 years of dominant basketball left in him

I don't know who in their right minds would want somebody like that!!  Certainly not a young team that:

1) Has just gone from "rebuild" mode into "win now" mode
2) Is positionally weakest at Small Forward
3) Is potentially one superstar player away from being a contender

Nah, I say we go after draft picks instead, maybe some day in the next decade we'll get lucky and draft an elite offensive small forward who can make us a contender! :P

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Not meaning to be rude, just teasing! :)
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Re: Idea: Melo and Durrant plan
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2015, 06:49:47 AM »

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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2015, 10:09:32 AM »

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Yes Melo has had a great, great career.  I just feel that he is a little too old for this group and would probably hurt the chemistry of the unit.

I didn't realize that we were in a "win now" mold.  I would have said that the tanking ship has clearly sailed and that the rebuild continues.  None of us know how long this will take.  We do know that DA  is positioned well to "dance" if he can find a partner.

I hope DA is not looking for a quick fix, but rather developing a young core together that can be relevant for over 10 years (SA Spurs).   

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It's a bit of a pipe dream in general, no offense, but even assuming it was plausible I don't really see Melo and Durant working well together.  Their games are fairly similar save that Durant's a more efficient scorer and doesn't tend to work as much in the post.

Yeah this is my initial assumption too.
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Melo will be perfect to fill the shoes of Gerald Wallace.

Which team does not need an old overpaid guy? :P

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Melo will be perfect to fill the shoes of Gerald Wallace.

Which team does not need an old overpaid guy? :P
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

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A good choice, although clearly second place to at least one chainsaw-armed actor.
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Melo will be perfect to fill the shoes of Gerald Wallace.

Which team does not need an old overpaid guy? :P

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I honestly do not see how that lineup would entice KD to leave Westbrook and Ibaka,

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I didn't realize that we were in a "win now" mold.  I would have said that the tanking ship has clearly sailed and that the rebuild continues.  None of us know how long this will take.  We do know that DA  is positioned well to "dance" if he can find a partner.

The term 'rebuild' in my eyes refers to a team that is selling pretty much tearing everything up to start over with a clean slate.  When Ainge was letting contracts expire and trading out seemingly every productive player over the age of 25 (Green, Rondo, Thornton, etc) for draft picks and cap space / TPE's then that to me is a rebuild.

Last year I think Ainge was in 100% rebuild mode - until the team caught him by surprise, dominated the second half of the season, and actually made the playoffs.  That's when I think something clicked in his head and left him thinking "hey - we can find a way to add a key player or two, we might being able to really make some noise in the East!".  That (I think) is when the team philosophy shifted from "rebuild mode" to "seriously trying to win lots of games" mode.

I think David Lee trade and the Amir Johnson signing are clear evidence of this.

Gerald Wallace would have been on a $10M expiring contract this season, and he contributed absolutely nothing to the win column for this team.  Ainge traded Wallace for David Lee who is on a $15M expiring contract, and who (if he plays) is likely to contribute significantly to the win column for this team. 

Now Boston didn't actually gain anything from this trade financially since the only other player they gave up was Babb (who was non-guaranteed, and could have been waived anyway).  The extra $5m in expiring isn't much of an incentive since that basically came out of Boston's own cap for this year.  The only benefit Boston gets from this deal, really, is that Lee is a better player than Wallace and more likely to actually contribute on the court.

Likewise, Amir Johnson is a guy who is approaching his 30's, doesn't rally have any upside, and isn't the type of star you build around.  He is most known for his ability to do all the little things that help a team win games, with little concern for his own personal stats.  Not the type of guy you showcase for his stats and then try to trade off later.  He's the type of guy you acquire if you want to win more games.  So seeing Danny sign him outright to a 2 year deal was another clear sign to me that Ainge wants to win, and win now.

I think we all need to remember that this is the Boston Celtics - it's a proud franchise that has a reputation to live up to.  If you're a guy in Danny Ainge's position, I don't think you want to be known as the guy who embarrassed the franchise through 5 years of tanking.  All the stuff that's going on in Philly - I don't think that flies in Boston.  Not saying it's bad approach or anything, just saying that I think Philly and Boston are teams with different mentalities about what is an ethically acceptable approach to rebuilding. 

Remember there was a lot of talk about Boston wanting to go after Marc Gasol in the offseason, and he's not really any younger than Melo. 

Honestly, I think you'll find that Danny is building this team of versatile support players so that when the chance to acquire a star (any star) comes up he can slot that star in, already have the support pieces in place, and instantly have himself a contender.   

I think you'll find that if ANY star player who is within their prime (Melo included) became avaialble, Ainge would pounce on them in a heartbeat.  Like with the draft, I think Ainge's mentality is always "take the best player avaiable and work the rest out".