Poll: Did drafting Young and his bad work ethic effect are draft this year.

[hwangjini_1]

Why do people keep bringing up his work ethic
Where is the proof of this
It's not like he came to training camp overweight or hasn't practiced in the offseason

When you've got multiple teammates speaking out publicly about a rookie's work ethic, as well as coaches intimating that it's an issue, it's probably an issue. Even this summer, the coaches wouldn't go so far as to say he has developed a great one--only that it is coming along, improved, adequate, etc.

ok. any links for this? thanks.

[GC003332]

Why do people keep bringing up his work ethic
Where is the proof of this
It's not like he came to training camp overweight or hasn't practiced in the offseason

When you've got multiple teammates speaking out publicly about a rookie's work ethic, as well as coaches intimating that it's an issue, it's probably an issue. Even this summer, the coaches wouldn't go so far as to say he has developed a great one--only that it is coming along, improved, adequate, etc.

ok. any links for this? thanks.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/29/marcus-smart-reflects-rookie-season/kJnU02QQImCSheLuGnIrlL/story.html

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/03/gerald_wallace_on_boston_celti_2.html

[BDeCosta26]

Why do people keep bringing up his work ethic
Where is the proof of this
It's not like he came to training camp overweight or hasn't practiced in the offseason

When you've got multiple teammates speaking out publicly about a rookie's work ethic, as well as coaches intimating that it's an issue, it's probably an issue. Even this summer, the coaches wouldn't go so far as to say he has developed a great one--only that it is coming along, improved, adequate, etc.

ok. any links for this? thanks.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/29/marcus-smart-reflects-rookie-season/kJnU02QQImCSheLuGnIrlL/story.html

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/03/gerald_wallace_on_boston_celti_2.html

There's been multiple articles to come out this summer, with quotes from Stevens, Ainge, Smart and some of Young's old teammates from Kentucky talking about how Young has really seemed to have turned a corner in terms of work ethic and drive. You could tell in SL that he deff put on some muscle (hopefully a little more when the season arrives) and while his overall SL performance was uninspiring, he certainly seemed much more aware and active on the defensive end. He was diving for loose balls, hustling to stay in front of his man, etc. That stuff is more important for Young than anything.

It's pretty unfair to call him a "shooter who can't shoot" because he had a low % in such low usage. Young shot over 40% in much higher usage in the D-League, and has an absolutely beautiful form. The shots will start to fall eventually. As I've said before, I think it's quite possible that being drafted in the same draft as Marcus Smart onto this Celtics team could be the best thing that ever happened to him. Sure, if he had played in Philidelphia he probably woulda put up pretty good counting stats and be perceived as having more "value". But, he may have also never developed the sense of work ethic and professionalism he seems to be developing here. If Young can really continue putting this kind of work in, with his physical skills, he could become a very good player. He's got all the tools to be an excellent wing scorer in this league.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Why do people keep bringing up his work ethic
Where is the proof of this
It's not like he came to training camp overweight or hasn't practiced in the offseason

When you've got multiple teammates speaking out publicly about a rookie's work ethic, as well as coaches intimating that it's an issue, it's probably an issue. Even this summer, the coaches wouldn't go so far as to say he has developed a great one--only that it is coming along, improved, adequate, etc.

ok. any links for this? thanks.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/29/marcus-smart-reflects-rookie-season/kJnU02QQImCSheLuGnIrlL/story.html

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/03/gerald_wallace_on_boston_celti_2.html

Worth pointing out that non of that means bad work ethic.

The lengths people go through to jump to conclusions...

[GC003332]

Why do people keep bringing up his work ethic
Where is the proof of this
It's not like he came to training camp overweight or hasn't practiced in the offseason

When you've got multiple teammates speaking out publicly about a rookie's work ethic, as well as coaches intimating that it's an issue, it's probably an issue. Even this summer, the coaches wouldn't go so far as to say he has developed a great one--only that it is coming along, improved, adequate, etc.

ok. any links for this? thanks.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/29/marcus-smart-reflects-rookie-season/kJnU02QQImCSheLuGnIrlL/story.html

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/03/gerald_wallace_on_boston_celti_2.html

Worth pointing out that non of that means bad work ethic.

The lengths people go through to jump to conclusions...

I actually remembered reading those articles and provided them for hwangjini_1, I didn't go to any great lengths and am not jumping to any conclusions.

[KG Living Legend]

I mean Smart came down pretty hard on him. Do you think he has great work ethic by Smarts comments?

 "You've got to work harder than you've ever worked".
 Translation. You don't work hard enough.
 
 " guys are better than you "  they're always gonna bring someone to replace you if your not gonna do what your suppose to do "

 Translation. He's not doing what he's supposed to be doing! I mean duh, it doesn't get much more clear than that.
 

[SHAQATTACK]

I mean Smart came down pretty hard on him. Do you think he has great work ethic by Smarts comments?

 "You've got to work harder than you've ever worked".
 Translation. You don't work hard enough.
 
 " guys are better than you "  they're always gonna bring someone to replace you if your not gonna do what your suppose to do "

 Translation. He's not doing what he's supposed to be doing! I mean duh, it doesn't get much more clear than that.

Lackadaisical 

[Celtics4ever]

The reality is that  all the hard work in the world can 't help a guy that does not have it between the ears.  Now I think it is too early to say this about Young, but maturity could be an issue for him given his age.   I do not think it is work ethic, he is not fat, he is in shape.   He just turned 20. 

DOB: August 16, 1995

Guys who think this stuff, must not have watched him in college because he was a middling shooter there at times as well.

Good article on him.

https://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/2015/07/28/what-should-the-celtics-expect-from-post-hype-james-young/UL4xhlWzNPZSjOcJ0AIoCK/story.html

He is not making or breaking the team one way or another. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

I mean Smart came down pretty hard on him. Do you think he has great work ethic by Smarts comments?

 "You've got to work harder than you've ever worked".
 Translation. You don't work hard enough.
 
 " guys are better than you "  they're always gonna bring someone to replace you if your not gonna do what your suppose to do "

 Translation. He's not doing what he's supposed to be doing! I mean duh, it doesn't get much more clear than that.
 

It simply means that Young needs to be working harder to reach the next level, nothing more and nothing less. It doesn't mean he has bad work ethic, simply that he needs to take it a step further. You know, a 19 year old kid who doesn't have all figured out (his work schedule and all that) is perfectly understandable and normal/expected.

It doesn't mean that he isn't in the disposition to work harder, it simply means that he's not where he needs to be at to make it in the league, so he needs to work even harder. Which is fine, it's normal progression.

To take all that to mean, that Young has bad work ethic, is a stretch. It more than anything means that Young is a rookie, new to the league and things are still in the process of being figured out.

[Birdman]

I always said Young would be a flop and Im a UK fan

[Surferdad]

I'd like to leave aside the question of work ethic, and shorten the OP's question:

Did drafting Young and his progress to date affect our draft this year?

The answer has to be yes.  In spite of his tender age, he clearly does not look like the prospect we all had hoped for. He may get there, but it will take some time. Meanwhile, Ainge drafted 3 guards and a forward. RJ Hunter is particular plays that wing spot where Young plays. Was RJ simply the BPA at that position? Perhaps but then what about Thornton in the 2nd round.

[Pucaccia]

Rozier first pick. Tough. Defensive beast. Strong. Hard nosed. Two years experience.

 Hunter three years experience. High BBIQ. Coaches son. Great passer and ball handler.

 Mickey Defensive first mentality. Athletic. Two
 years experience.

 Young. One year experience. Stupid. Slow. Lazy. Didn't take direction or instruction well. Excuse me but I can't stand the guy. I hope we dump him for Perry Jones, and I don't like Jones that much lol.

I don't think there is evidence that Young is lazy and not a hard worker. The kid is young. I bet he works a lot harder than you are giving him credit for.

[BDeCosta26]

I'd like to leave aside the question of work ethic, and shorten the OP's question:

Did drafting Young and his progress to date affect our draft this year?

The answer has to be yes.  In spite of his tender age, he clearly does not look like the prospect we all had hoped for. He may get there, but it will take some time. Meanwhile, Ainge drafted 3 guards and a forward. RJ Hunter is particular plays that wing spot where Young plays. Was RJ simply the BPA at that position? Perhaps but then what about Thornton in the 2nd round.

No it doesn't. Ainge knew dang well that Young wasn't going to contribute much in his rookie year, he struggled finding a role on the big club but dominated in the D-League which is pretty much what they expected. They wanted Young to know that he wasn't going to be gifted anything, and any opportunity he got was going to have to he earned. It seems like it worked, because by all accounts he's been working as hard as anyone this summer. And him developing that work ethic and drive is more important than anything to his development.

The guys we drafted this year had NOTHING to do with what Young did or didn't do last year. Since our rebuild started, Ainge's picks have made it clear that he's looking for guys who have ASG potential and up-side in the middle/late 1st round. RJ Hunter was picked because we need shooting, and he has far greater potential than anyone else we could've picked at #28. James Young has always been viewed as a developing wing and not a guard anyway, hence why he's added on so much muscle. Adding Hunter has very little to do with the development of James Young and Thornton was only taken because he agreed to play overseas and not take up a roster spot if we drafted him. Stevens and Ainge will give Young an opportunity to seize this season for all the work he's put in. Let's see what he does with it, and not condemn him for not providing much as a 19 year old rookie on a deep roster.

I really can't believe some of the folks around here really think Young could be "on the bubble" during training camp. That's never gonna happen. We have a desperate need for wing scoring and a 20 year old SF prospect with serious scoring skills and a telnet level high enough that rival executives said he would've been drafted top 10 in this past draft. The idea we would just cut a guy like that is ridiculous. Especially when were in desperate need of star players. Jones will be cut or Turner traded for a bag of chips before that happens.

Young players, especially 19 year olds, need time to develop.

[GzUP617]

Why do people keep bringing up his work ethic
Where is the proof of this
It's not like he came to training camp overweight or hasn't practiced in the offseason

When you've got multiple teammates speaking out publicly about a rookie's work ethic, as well as coaches intimating that it's an issue, it's probably an issue. Even this summer, the coaches wouldn't go so far as to say he has developed a great one--only that it is coming along, improved, adequate, etc.

ok. any links for this? thanks.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/05/29/marcus-smart-reflects-rookie-season/kJnU02QQImCSheLuGnIrlL/story.html

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/03/gerald_wallace_on_boston_celti_2.html

There's been multiple articles to come out this summer, with quotes from Stevens, Ainge, Smart and some of Young's old teammates from Kentucky talking about how Young has really seemed to have turned a corner in terms of work ethic and drive. You could tell in SL that he deff put on some muscle (hopefully a little more when the season arrives) and while his overall SL performance was uninspiring, he certainly seemed much more aware and active on the defensive end. He was diving for loose balls, hustling to stay in front of his man, etc. That stuff is more important for Young than anything.

It's pretty unfair to call him a "shooter who can't shoot" because he had a low % in such low usage. Young shot over 40% in much higher usage in the D-League, and has an absolutely beautiful form. The shots will start to fall eventually. As I've said before, I think it's quite possible that being drafted in the same draft as Marcus Smart onto this Celtics team could be the best thing that ever happened to him. Sure, if he had played in Philidelphia he probably woulda put up pretty good counting stats and be perceived as having more "value". But, he may have also never developed the sense of work ethic and professionalism he seems to be developing here. If Young can really continue putting this kind of work in, with his physical skills, he could become a very good player. He's got all the tools to be an excellent wing scorer in this league.

For further context.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4719574/james-young-working-to-silence-the-doubters

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2015/06/james_young_has_reportedly_gai.html

https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/07/02/james-young-ready-claim-his-space-with-celtics/zDr710erHXVPfrm2bAsBmO/story.html

http://www.celticslife.com/2015/07/james-young-to-work-out-with-kevin.html


Clearly James Young has been written off by some on here, but it's kind of funny the love RJ Hunter is getting when in the first 2 games in the summer league that Young looked bad so did RJ, and after that Young was out with injuries.  Can't take any of these opinions seriously when the basis of argument is weak.

 I mean the idea of cutting Young instead of a guy who's been in the league for 3 seasons, hasn't proved anything, coming from a team that had to put up picks and cash considerations for him to be moved. Just laughable.

Young isn't going to get cut and he will have a bigger role this year, if you like it or not that won't make a difference, and to answer the question Ainge knew what to expect when drafting James Young lets not's not pretend to forget now.   

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2014/09/danny_ainge_boston_celtics_nee.html

[ahonui06]

First: *our

I don't think James Young or his work ethic had anything to do with this year's draft. Ainge strictly went BPA in his opinion.