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Re: porzingas puts on 11lbs
« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2015, 12:13:46 PM »

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So what you're saying is that they all look the same to you.  :P

That's not very fair.  I mean, just look at this shot of Porzingis:



How's he ever going to get away with that high dribble against NBA defenders?

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2015, 12:19:34 PM »

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That's a James Young-level transformation right there. Look out world.

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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2015, 12:35:52 PM »

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So what you're saying is that they all look the same to you.  :P

That's not very fair.  I mean, just look at this shot of Porzingis:



How's he ever going to get away with that high dribble against NBA defenders?

I'm more worried about what he's going to do in the absence of the matching hat and shorts, myself.
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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2015, 12:44:23 PM »

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I know it's probably based on shallow similarities that don't really matter, but can someone break down the difference between Porzingis as he enters the league and Bargnani when he was entering the league?  Because every highlight reel I see of Porzingis just reminds me of Bargs.

What, tall and European?

That, plus being a stretch 4/5 who doesn't play much in the post, isn't physically imposing, doesn't rebound or defend well for his size, but is offensively versatile with good range and a lot of "upside".  Plus it probably doesn't hurt that one just left the Knicks and one just joined them. 

Again, I don't know the guy's game very well, I just see a lot of similarities.

Oh, yeah, that Knicks connection cements it.

Porzi's always been a great rebounder, Bargs, not so much.

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2015, 12:52:52 PM »

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I know it's probably based on shallow similarities that don't really matter, but can someone break down the difference between Porzingis as he enters the league and Bargnani when he was entering the league?  Because every highlight reel I see of Porzingis just reminds me of Bargs.

What, tall and European?

That, plus being a stretch 4/5 who doesn't play much in the post, isn't physically imposing, doesn't rebound or defend well for his size, but is offensively versatile with good range and a lot of "upside".  Plus it probably doesn't hurt that one just left the Knicks and one just joined them. 

Again, I don't know the guy's game very well, I just see a lot of similarities.

Oh, yeah, that Knicks connection cements it.

Porzi's always been a great rebounder, Bargs, not so much.

Really?  I know Euro stats don't always translate well to the NBA and it's hard to compare different Euro leagues to each other, but Porzingis averaged 7.7 rebounds per 36 this past year.  Which isn't a very good rate for a 7 footer in the NBA, but even setting that aside, in Bargnani's last year of Euro play he averaged 8.2 per 36.  Their numbers are very similar and if anything Bargs had a slight edge going into the draft. 

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2015, 05:02:20 PM »

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I know it's probably based on shallow similarities that don't really matter, but can someone break down the difference between Porzingis as he enters the league and Bargnani when he was entering the league?  Because every highlight reel I see of Porzingis just reminds me of Bargs.

What, tall and European?

That, plus being a stretch 4/5 who doesn't play much in the post, isn't physically imposing, doesn't rebound or defend well for his size, but is offensively versatile with good range and a lot of "upside".  Plus it probably doesn't hurt that one just left the Knicks and one just joined them. 

Again, I don't know the guy's game very well, I just see a lot of similarities.

Oh, yeah, that Knicks connection cements it.

Porzi's always been a great rebounder, Bargs, not so much.

Really?  I know Euro stats don't always translate well to the NBA and it's hard to compare different Euro leagues to each other, but Porzingis averaged 7.7 rebounds per 36 this past year.  Which isn't a very good rate for a 7 footer in the NBA, but even setting that aside, in Bargnani's last year of Euro play he averaged 8.2 per 36.  Their numbers are very similar and if anything Bargs had a slight edge going into the draft.

come on, Bargnani was playing in the Lega1 and Porzingis (not Porzingas) was playing in the ACB, two different worlds in European Basketball. The ACB is a stronger regular season competition than Euroleague, where things only get interesting in the playoffs.

That said, Bargnani is not a physical player, Porzingis is. He's not strong enough for NBA yet, but he'll get stronger and maybe he'll be able to keep his mobility and athleticism in the process. He's a totally different player from Bargnani. The only thing they have in common are the NY Knucklebockers and being Euro 7 footers.

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2015, 08:03:52 PM »

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I know it's probably based on shallow similarities that don't really matter, but can someone break down the difference between Porzingis as he enters the league and Bargnani when he was entering the league?  Because every highlight reel I see of Porzingis just reminds me of Bargs.

What, tall and European?

That, plus being a stretch 4/5 who doesn't play much in the post, isn't physically imposing, doesn't rebound or defend well for his size, but is offensively versatile with good range and a lot of "upside".  Plus it probably doesn't hurt that one just left the Knicks and one just joined them. 

Again, I don't know the guy's game very well, I just see a lot of similarities.

Oh, yeah, that Knicks connection cements it.

Porzi's always been a great rebounder, Bargs, not so much.

Really?  I know Euro stats don't always translate well to the NBA and it's hard to compare different Euro leagues to each other, but Porzingis averaged 7.7 rebounds per 36 this past year.  Which isn't a very good rate for a 7 footer in the NBA, but even setting that aside, in Bargnani's last year of Euro play he averaged 8.2 per 36.  Their numbers are very similar and if anything Bargs had a slight edge going into the draft.

come on, Bargnani was playing in the Lega1 and Porzingis (not Porzingas) was playing in the ACB, two different worlds in European Basketball. The ACB is a stronger regular season competition than Euroleague, where things only get interesting in the playoffs.

That said, Bargnani is not a physical player, Porzingis is. He's not strong enough for NBA yet, but he'll get stronger and maybe he'll be able to keep his mobility and athleticism in the process. He's a totally different player from Bargnani. The only thing they have in common are the NY Knucklebockers and being Euro 7 footers.

Go Celtics!

Thank you!  See, this is the kind of contrast I was looking for, since I don't follow Euro ball at all.  And for the record, I have at least been spelling his name right - you can take that up with the OP. 

I still don't agree that he's a "totally different player" than Bargnani - there does seem to be a fair amount of overlap in their games beyond being white Euros who play the same position.  But I should say that I don't think being compared to Bargnani needs to be a bad thing - he's become a walking punchline at this point, but he was drafted #1 for a reason; he absolutely had All-Star talent even though he never realized it.  It's like, if you compared someone physically to Fab Melo it would sound insulting, but Fab Melo absolutely had the physical tools to at least be a competent center, he was just an idiot even by NBA standards. 

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2015, 08:11:39 PM »

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I know it's probably based on shallow similarities that don't really matter, but can someone break down the difference between Porzingis as he enters the league and Bargnani when he was entering the league?  Because every highlight reel I see of Porzingis just reminds me of Bargs.

What, tall and European?

The style of their games are very different.  Porzingis is much more athletic, longer arms, taller, better ball handler. I don't understand the comparison to Bargnani at all. Their style of play is not at all similar. 

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2015, 08:12:28 PM »

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John Hollinger has a formula for translating Euroleague stats to the NBA which he explains like this:

    ? Scoring rate decreases 25 percent
    ? Rebound rate increases by 18 percent (there are more missed shots in NBA play)
    ? Assist rate increases by 31 percent (Euro scorers are tightwads with assists)
    ? Shooting percentage drops by 12 percent
    ? Overall, PER drops by 30 percent

So you need to up Porzingis' rebounding rate by 18% to get a comparable number to what Euroleague players usually do in the NBA after coming over here.

So that 7.7 rebounds per 36 becomes 9.1 rebounds per 36.

I believe Porzingis mostly played PF in Spain so that figure would be about average for a starting PF in the NBA and/or above average for a PF in general.

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2015, 08:37:13 PM »

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I hope he does well, getting booed by those fans who know nothing about his game made me pretty angry. Once he's filled out his frame hes got the potential to be a heck of a player. Just matters if he works hard enough to fulfill it.

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« Reply #25 on: September 10, 2015, 09:15:24 PM »

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I know it's probably based on shallow similarities that don't really matter, but can someone break down the difference between Porzingis as he enters the league and Bargnani when he was entering the league?  Because every highlight reel I see of Porzingis just reminds me of Bargs.

What, tall and European?

The style of their games are very different.  Porzingis is much more athletic, longer arms, taller, better ball handler. I don't understand the comparison to Bargnani at all. Their style of play is not at all similar.

That's why I'm asking; I haven't seen much on the guy beyond the standard highlight reels and draft clips.  I'm not gonna go track down full games or anything, I'm just asking for the opinion of people with more knowledge.  I realize Bargnani is kind of a toxic comparison, but like I said he was an elite prospect for a reason, he just happened to hit that bittersweet spot of good enough to stay in the league but not good enough to be respected in it. 

Does Porzingis have a drive and pull up element to his game?  I've mostly seen spot up 3s, pick and pops and transition finishes.

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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2015, 09:15:30 PM »

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« Reply #27 on: September 10, 2015, 09:57:41 PM »

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I know it's probably based on shallow similarities that don't really matter, but can someone break down the difference between Porzingis as he enters the league and Bargnani when he was entering the league?  Because every highlight reel I see of Porzingis just reminds me of Bargs.

I didn't see much of him in Summer League, but I thought I read somewhere that even though his fg percentage wasn't that high he drew a lot of fouls and got to the line at a good rate.  I could be wrong here. 

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« Reply #28 on: September 11, 2015, 12:15:40 AM »

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Bargnani once gained 11 lbs also ;)