young first year not a waste-he should be kept

[rollie mass]

young is doing what he has to this offseason,his attitude and defensive desire have have now become his focus,
last year was a year of being lost and humbled and learning how to travel and the realization he could not just step on the court anymore-
the boy is turning into a man with the right coach and teamates all young and working towards stepping into the rotation with strong defense
-young is not a rookie anymore,he has done the red claws  and has watched dantome step into his slot and knows rj is deadly competition
young has smart ,rozier and avery with crowder to push him defensively,he is working on building strength and power for that purpose
sully is working on stamina and weight loss along with a different attitude,i believe he is in the right place for that surrounded by ex addicts of all varieties-
so i have gone from young is to young and not motivated to seeing the attitude shift  and that is a big deal-he may become a all around nba player-

[Maurice98]

TP! Completely agree. This dude is way too young but people wanna cut him even though he is a project. This offseason he's working hard as he's becoming stronger. He's more active now and more focused on the court and his D has slightly improved. Trust me, he'll be a stud in 3-5 years.

[slamtheking]

we needed a new thread for this?   there's already a bunch of Young threads.

[rollie mass]

this came out at 11.30 there was no other thread-but young players in waltham--
this was specifically aimed at youngs 2nd year attitude and effort from a viewpoint of a fan that changed his mind about young-

[slamtheking]

Not to bust your beans Rollie but here were some easy to find recent threads

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80409.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80344.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80381.0 (not specific to Young but he's part of the discussion)
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80244.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80317.0 (not specific to Young but he's part of the discussion)
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80285.0 (not specific to Young but he's part of the discussion)
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80354.0 (one of yours)

[GzUP617]

Not to bust your beans Rollie but here were some easy to find recent threads

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80409.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80344.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80381.0 (not specific to Young but he's part of the discussion)
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80244.0
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80317.0 (not specific to Young but he's part of the discussion)
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80285.0 (not specific to Young but he's part of the discussion)
http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=80354.0 (one of yours)

We actually need more of these threads,  brings new life to these boards.  Keep on rolling rollie.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'd agree with OP

Young future is still a question.

ET is like Marcus Thorton ......he needs to be moved on down the road ASAP ......is not part of the Celtics future ...he isn't getting any better

[Celtics4ever]

young is doing what he has to this offseason,his attitude and defensive desire have have now become his focus,
last year was a year of being lost and humbled and learning how to travel and the realization he could not just step on the court anymore-
the boy is turning into a man with the right coach and teamates all young and working towards stepping into the rotation with strong defense
-young is not a rookie anymore,he has done the red claws  and has watched dantome step into his slot and knows rj is deadly competition
young has smart ,rozier and avery with crowder to push him defensively,he is working on building strength and power for that purpose

He is young, and only 20.   Your the guy raising and shooting down this issue.   I like him committing to different areas of the game.   But if you were drafted for your shooting, you better be able to make a shot when your number is called as well.  He looked poor in summer league but I think you have to give him his whole rookie contract.

sully is working on stamina and weight loss along with a different attitude,i believe he is in the right place for that surrounded by ex addicts of all varieties-
so i have gone from young is to young and not motivated to seeing the attitude shift  and that is a big deal-he may become a all around nba player

First of all when your pro and you get hurt is it ever God's plan?

At the time of the diagnosis of his stress fracture, Sullinger claimed it was "God's plan" and resisted connecting his bulky frame to his injury woes. Since then, he's had time to ponder his situation and acknowledges his lack of conditioning has contributed to him missing 73 of the past 246 games.

"People say, 'Hire a nutritionist,' but it's not that simple,'' he explained. "What people don't understand is after a game, you get hungry. I stay up late, I'm not falling asleep and I want to eat. The hardest calories to burn off are those late-night calories.

"And that's what has been getting me this year. I have to work 10 times, 30 times as hard to keep off those extra 400 calories.

"Even though the stuff [in the locker room] is good stuff, healthy stuff, my body doesn't react to it the way an Avery Bradley or a James Young does.''

http://espn.go.com/boston/nba/story/_/id/12545144/boston-celtics-forward-jared-sullinger-facing-heavy-burden

We have seen the weight loss which is good but we have also heard him make comments blaming his genetics and not taking personal responsibility.  It is vital that he does and make real changes.  This blaming his body has to stop, just eat good stuff and keep working out and don't eat late if you pork up from it.

The good news is it sounds like he is in the action phase of recovery.

http://www.amhc.org/1408-addictions/article/48539-motivation-for-change-the-stages-of-change-model

But now is not the time to pat him on the back, he is not there yet, he has made some progress.

https://twitter.com/CoachJohnLucas1/status/619591252128829440

I really do not want a Mark Blount type situation where he only gets in shape on contract years.   I am not as trusting as you are, the same is true of Young.   I do not think we should give up on him and Sully deserves a chance to compete.   But until they do it on the floor it means nothing!

BTW I would love to eat crow on both of these guys and be wrong.

[Endless Paradise]

I mean, someone literally has to go, Rollie. There are more players than roster spots, but you seem to be in favor of keeping the likes of Jones and Young. If so, who are you willing to say bye to on the team?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I'm not ready to give up on Young, but the challenge to keeping him around is the apparent lack of available playing time. With Turner, Crowder, Jerebko, Bradley, and Smart at the SF and SG positions, where is there any room for Young?

[rollie mass]

i fell for the aphrodisac of perry height and atleticism ,the story and brads magic and he is 22-i think training camp will sort this out or a trade by danny-it's late at night in mallorca spain so i'll pass for the moment

[Greyman]

Young needs to show more this season I think. His progress so far shouldn't worry people or have them asking for his removal from the roster. He can't afford another season of slow progress though as the questions that have been raised about his ability to eventually contribute/play at an acceptable level in the NBA will begin to take on more legitimacy.

I doubt he will be a finished product by the end of next season and I am unsure about how much playing time he can get with the Celtics, he may still spend a lot of time with the Red Claws. That isn't a concern. If he isn't showing improvement when he gets chances and if his desire still seems limited, then he will find that people's patience is evaporating.

[Future Celtics Owner]

The Boston Celtics are about championships....not playoff appearances or division titles. I see many people on this board willing to trade players or assets for immediate gratification that will not lead to a championship, at most 2nd round playoff appearance.

[2short]

Well it's up to him.  He has looked like a low level d league player so far in summer league.  Last year he looked young, lost on defense and a one dimensional offensive player with a wonderful Ray Allen like stroke.  Summer league same player but without the shot.
Enter rj hunter, same position, showing far better game.
Yes young is the younger player but money wise they are both on rookie contracts.  Hunter having longer contract at this point.
So James young as a sg on our team has to get minutes with Avery Bradley, Marcus smart, Evan turner, rj hunter....am I forgetting anyone?  I'd put him at the bottom of those guys.
Next season we have ainge dealing and/or draft picks comin in, young must be contributing.  Next season would be his third season  . I just don't see it happening. 
I feel if he doesn't show well this season by mid way ainge Needs to move him while he still has the young project moniker attached to his name.