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Re: The young players in Waltham, working out together
« Reply #30 on: August 21, 2015, 08:41:36 PM »

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The realisation is hitting home , God Danny will you get some real difference makers in here, not one Celtics player would  make a all NBA 10th team let  along a 1st ,2nd or 3rd team. Hope these guys have long and successful careers and Brad 'MacGyver' Stevens can get this group of mediocre talent to overachieve this season, Hoping the Nets suck real hard is the only thing to look forward to at this rate.3rd year of a 5 year rebuilt yippee.
Good that they are building chemistry , make the trips that most of them take to Maine less lonely I guess.

I know right? After two years of a total rebuild we should already have traded for/signed/developed multiple all-stars by now! Going from one of the leagues 5 worst teams to a playoff contender last year with one of the leagues youngest teams means there's nothing to look forward too since we won't win a championship.

Your supposed to go straight from a horrible team to a contender overnight, right? Is that not how this works, or have I been misinformed?
I have gone on record as predicting that the Celtics will win 46 games this upcoming season and make the second round based on a collective effort defensively and that the Nets will give Boston a top 5 pick.
My issue is how can any long term fan of the Celtics get all enthused about individual players when it is more likely than not that  Ainge will have moved them on when the team is a legit contender again?

Well, like every rebuilding team we have a bunch of guys who probably won't be here when were contenders again, a bunch of guys that might be, and a handful of guys you hope will be here. I agree with you about the Win total and likely range of that Nets pick. They'll win a good amount of games playing a very enjoyable brand of basketball, that's worth being excited about when your team is mostly under 25.

How those guys develop, whether it's into long term pieces or trade chips, is part of the reason you watch a rebuilding team. Smart is someone worth being legit excited about. He has star potential, and will almost certainly make at least a few All-Defensive teams in his time in the league. Just cause we don't have any obvious stars, doesn't mean we don't have guys that can be worthwhile contributors on that next contender. Bradley, Thomas, Crowder, Sully, Olynyk, Zeller and Mickey all fit that mold. Smart obviously, Rozier, Young and Hunter have good-great potential. Even our veterans are intriguing additions who are also above average trade chips.

Philly has tanked harder than anyone in history for 3-4 straight seasons and still don't have a top 15 player, or even someone you feel confident reaching that level in the future. Rebuilding is hard. It takes patience. IMO, the biggest reason to get excited is the culture were building here. That will carry over regardless of roster turnover.

Re: The young players in Waltham, working out together
« Reply #31 on: August 21, 2015, 08:43:52 PM »

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Good Lord, can the freaking season start already?! lol  :'(

It's really tough being a sports fan who only enjoys one sport, basketball!

It's nice to see the new, young guys putting some work in.
I'm right there with you.  need to get back into another season already.
Ya me too. Only basketball. And since the draft I have been having more feelings of helplessness and realizing I have zero control with the Celtics.

Making the playoffs and not waiving Bass and Jonas at the deadline were hard for me. But not making a trade to get the 11th pick for Myles Turner was horrible for my plan for the team. And then not even picking up Upshaw with the 45th pick.

I guess, in my case, I have had to swallow some hard pills this year.

Re: The young players in Waltham, working out together
« Reply #32 on: August 21, 2015, 08:44:08 PM »

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I hope they're working on defense, and not using the Doc Rivers method

Re: The young players in Waltham, working out together
« Reply #33 on: August 21, 2015, 08:45:39 PM »

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I love seeing the team doing stuff together in the off season. I think this type of thing is a big deal for Stevens, that his team is a team on the cour and off. I also love seeing Smart leading the way. He's showed signs that he's the born-leader type that a good team needs.
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Re: The young players in Waltham, working out together
« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2015, 09:42:48 AM »

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some real negitivity from the peanut gallery,if sully was here just working out that would be a major concern,

If he can't take the heat, then don't be a pro.   This is all on him, he is one that let himself go physically and lacked discipline.  Only a really weak minded player, takes negativity to heart,  most guys with competitive spirit want to prove their naysayers wrong.   Other the weakest of minds quit from negativity, adversity can make you stronger in many cases if you over come it.   I do not know if we want a guy who quits the moment, some negative comments get made.   

On the other hand, he sees this rooks busting tail and working their butts off, he might realize he is going to have compete for a job and not just from them.   I seriously, doubt, John Lucas, has training facilities as good as the Celtics or professional trainers as good as the pros.   He might help Sully more in mental aspects of recovery though.

You played back in the day, right.   Did Rollie Massimino drop negative comments on his players ever?  We both know he did.

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"Do you think I want to be doing this?" Massimino erupted. "Do you think I want to be screaming at you? Do you bleepers really think I want to go to the Final Four? Listen, there's much more to life than that.

"Do you know what I'd really rather be doing now than anything? Than being here in this room? I'll tell you. I'd rather be at home, sitting behind a big, steaming, heaping plate of spags (spaghetti). Yeah, that's right! Macaroni! Linguini with clam sauce! I'd rather be doing that than losing this [dang] game! Now get out there and do what got you here in the first place!".

http://www.csnphilly.com/blog/700-level/remembering-rollie-massiminos-legendary-spaghetti-and-clams-speech-30-years-later

Looks like your former coach was part of the peanut gallery, too.

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comittment to losing weight and keeping it off
he moved his father out of his day to day-kudos to sully for going to the right place ,a no nosense program both mental and physical

Cupcake workouts compared to what we have seen in Waltham from the rooks.   Guy is still slow, will be slow.

Recall this was a workout from the best shape of his life, last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3Aj4D1L86s

We all know how that turned out.

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It does almost seem as if only one young guy has been stubborn about not being seen in Boston this off-season. Because he knows they want him here? Or because he doesn't want them to see what condition he's in?

Please, don't anyone go trying to tell me that he's one of the team's leaders!

I agree, recall Ainge said this :

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“I don’t know the answer to that,” Ainge said. “I think that’s up to Jared. He has in place for him all the tools, it’s just a matter of him being able to do it.”

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/02/danny-ainge-rips-jared-sullingers-conditioning-hes-not-up-to-par/

It is a matter of which place you think he was referring too.  I think Ainge trusts him about as far as he can spit.  So he signed Amir and traded for Lee, in case things do not work out.

It is a big year for him, time will tell if he made the right decision.   Of course, it is always best to go maverick and workout by yourself, NOT!   He tries to play hero ball at the end of games, too.  But in some ways I am glad too, he is not around to poison the rookies with his laziness, so I guess that is the positive.

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would rather go watch the local rec league.

Watch some of thos Pro-Am games Sully played in this summer with zero competition, you might find a better game in the rec league.

This was in July 2015, a guy can make a lot of progress in a month though but this was some weak competition and he still looks slower than pond water.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYHx6swpuI

The rookies in the Waltham look to be working out at a harder pace.   Harder pace is always better if he has the weight down, and the risk on injury is gone.   One has to push oneself, to improve athletically, I am not saying no pain no gain.   The whole cardiovascular conditioning and hypertrophy is based on raising stress so your body adapts and can perform better.

massimino called me all sorts of names mickey mouse,like a taxicab with doors wide open,had to  run around shower to get wet i was so skinny with nbig ears
 he never mentioned pasta or food, he was from hillside new jersey with large italian population and philly is known for it's italian population and food-
rollie loved his shoes ,expensive italian and his father had owned a shoe store-man did this guy give it to refs and if we didn't play tough d
-one halftime we were losing to rival concord and rollie wound up and kicked the **** out of a heavy solid wastebasket and hurt his foot but worse wrecked the toe of those perfect expensive italian shoes that didn't fit in conservative lexington
 moral is we won
 i talked to him briefly a few years back after close to 50yrs-and he said "oh yeah you were the skinny kid that was all over the court"i was quite pleased that he remembered me that way-
rollie was a bundle of energy and was constantly changing from menacing to complimenting
i also remember being put in game as a sophomore and being told not to shoot,the first time i got the ball defender was sagging off i went up for jumper and rollie jumped up and was pulling his hair screaming no-well i hit the shot-during the next time out same don't shoot -same situation occurs, guys sagging off -i go up and can hear him going noooo-bang i hit again --we won and i became a starter and his best shooter - i got honorable mention all state that year,bay state tournament all star and we won bay state tournament in his first year-
-he never ever mentioned pasta and i was supposed to move in with him my senior year---
TP for pasta post- i loved that guy
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Re: The young players in Waltham, working out together
« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2015, 10:09:30 AM »

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Guys need their buttons pushed sometimes.

Stevens motivates people a different way, though, but he is still pushing buttons.